Providing Proof of photo! - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

03/25/2004 12:28:57 PM · #1

I am just wondering, why DP would request proof of my photo. No problem giving it to them (already done), I can only think that this has come from a comment someone left with me, referring to ebay, I totally didn't even understand the comment. Do people request proof out of spite or just to be above others?? Or is it just random? Going by my scores and comments, it isn't even a good picture. Please if anyone knows. Thank you

Message edited by author 2004-03-25 12:29:41.

K-Rob

Canon EOS-20D

03/25/2004 12:37:17 PM · #2

Maybe someone though they saw your picture somewhere other than DPC.

Prof_Fate

03/25/2004 12:37:51 PM · #3

I do not know the whole procedure..but from my perspective, if i see a pic and the rules require basic editing, then if i think the basic editing rules were violated then i will click 'Submit for DQ'. It is usually because I see something in a pic that I can only do or I think was done via a selective edit.

I have no idea the results of my clicking, as i have never heard anything back one way or the other.

BTW, the dog and carrot pic I figured was legal since I read on how to desaturate to get that effect.

03/25/2004 12:42:39 PM · #4

Yes, the only editing I did was rotate 90 degrees, sharpen a little, and resize .

I am goign to browse back through & look for the dog & the carrot pictures you are talking about.

Prof_Fate

03/25/2004 12:47:45 PM · #5

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=78915 is the dog and carrot pic. In a previous challenge the 'red show diaries' was the legal way to get one item in color.

assuming you were legal, i'd consider the DQ request as a compliment!

03/25/2004 12:47:46 PM · #6

Originally posted by K-Rob:

Maybe someone though they saw your picture somewhere other than DPC.

Hmmm, maybe that is what they think, but not possible. May have seen something similar, but unless they were in my bedroom with me when i gathered up my item & started shooting, there is NO WAY. I am losing faith in DP. I really do like DP, and truly don't mind proving my picture, it is just the people on here. Most who I have talked to are pretty nice and very helpful. It is the ones who are in the shadows waiting to hand out low scores and request proof that bother me.

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

03/25/2004 12:51:43 PM · #7

Originally posted by bestagents:

Alright, I will consider it a compliment, this is me showing my positive side...thanks for the nudge. As far as the dog & carrot go, I thought it was od to only get the carrot orange with basic editing, but am still new, so didn't question it, and according to you there is a way to do this, so, I figured as much.

Thanks again.

coolhar

03/25/2004 03:43:06 PM · #8

I don't think you need to worry about a "request proof out of spite" as the requests are filtered thru SC who would not ask for your original merely "out of spite".

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

03/25/2004 03:58:14 PM · #9

As one member of the SC, I can tell you my "process" when pics come in with DQ requests. (And for the record, I have no idea which one was yours because we have had alot of requests the past few days). Also, keep in mind, I am just one and I am in no way speaking for the rest of the SC or admins.

I look at the picture; I look at the reason for DQ request. If it is a reason like "Has nothing to do with the challenge" or "This shot shouldn't even have been taken," I don't give it much more thought and vote no DQ.

Sometimes, though, a question is asked about editing, or a viewer my think he/she has seen it elsewhere (outside of dates). In those cases, I try to look at the picture and decide. A lot of times I will vote "request proof" just to make sure. There are ways to do some editing that is "legal," but you can also do the same things illegally as well.

It has never been, and it will never be, a case of spite. Promise. Just because you have been asked for proof, doesn't mean that we think you are cheating.

Karma

PS -- Oh yea, there was one time I accidentally hit "request proof" instead of "do not disqualify" (they are close together) and the photographer got a request for proof. oops.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

03/25/2004 04:02:49 PM · #10

Originally posted by karmat:

PS -- Oh yea, there was one time I accidentally hit "request proof" instead of "do not disqualify" (they are close together) and the photographer got a request for proof. oops.

Well I'm glad you're not stationed in one of those Minuteman silos which dot the midwest ....

Message edited by author 2004-03-25 16:03:30.

TrollMan

Fujifilm X-T4

Fujifilm XF 35mm f/1.4

03/25/2004 04:12:54 PM · #11

Originally posted by vsmed1968:

Originally posted by K-Rob:
Maybe someone though they saw your picture somewhere other than DPC.

Hmmm, maybe that is what they think, but not possible. May have seen something similar, but unless they were in my bedroom with me when i gathered up my item & started shooting, there is NO WAY. I am losing faith in DP. I really do like DP, and truly don't mind proving my picture, it is just the people on here. Most who I have talked to are pretty nice and very helpful. It is the ones who are in the shadows waiting to hand out low scores and request proof that bother me.

Three points to consider:

1) We are all on the same playing field.

2) If you have done nothing wrong - then you shouldn't let a request for proof bother you. Instead, it should make you feel good - knowing that they ask when in doubt and that people that DO cheat, have a reasonable good chance of getting busted.

3) You will never find a group/organization etc. where absolutely everyone are nice, polite and fair. Remember that the majority always rules!

My 2 cents,
Are

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

03/25/2004 04:15:52 PM · #12

Originally posted by Are_62:

3) You will never find a group/organization etc. where absolutely everyone are nice, polite and fair. Remember that the majority always rules!

Actually, since DPC is actually a privately-owned endeavor, the majority here consists of two people. However, they have always been most responsive to the wishes of the masses :)

dtouch1

Tamron AF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical for Canon

03/25/2004 04:19:01 PM · #13

I got dq'd today too, and they didnt even ask me for proof... they just dq'd me. whats that all about?

caba

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

03/25/2004 04:37:10 PM · #14

I was asked for proof also for the parallel lines, mine was such a simple shot, just added a little saturation and sharpness.

KarenB

Canon EOS-70D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

03/25/2004 05:54:46 PM · #15

If it is clear that a submission goes against the rules, proof is not requested. It is voted on by the entire council, and then either validated or DQ'd. The note sent with the DQ notice should explain the reasons. If further clarification is needed, please feel free to email a SC member.
Sorry you were DQ'd, btw. :(

dtouch1

Tamron AF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical for Canon

03/25/2004 09:23:21 PM · #16

It said:

"Literal photographic representations of existing works of art (including your own) are not considered acceptable submissions. Please review the rules."

I took a picture of an orange crush bottle, and cropped it, How does this apply? I sent an e-mail to the council with the original picture and I havnt heard anything as far as an explanation.

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

03/25/2004 09:28:30 PM · #17

"Literal photographic representation of exisiting works of art" basically means that you can't take a picture of something that someone else created and have it be the only element in the photo. If the soda can is on a table and there are other things in the shot, that's fine. If it's just a close-up of the logo on the can, with no other context, that is not fine.

03/25/2004 09:41:20 PM · #18

Thank you all for your comments. I in no way meant to disrespect the DQ judges. And after a day to think about it & taking advice from DP members & users, I am fine with the DQ inquiry. I have actually been fine all day about it. Just had wondered what would cause the action. Now, I don't even care. All of my photos are done within the guidelines because I am new & barely edit any of my photos.

Just waiting for the all is okay e-mail from DP. :) :) :)

Thanks again EVERYONE.

dtouch1

Tamron AF 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical for Canon

03/25/2004 09:43:49 PM · #19

Thank you for clearing that up for me, if thats the case i'm fine with that.

Originally posted by mk:

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

03/25/2004 09:43:51 PM · #20

I actually notified DPC and asked this picture to be DQ'ed because of the reasons mentioned and a couple threads I read after it was submitted. It was never DQ'ed.

So I am not really sure where that line is drawn.

Message edited by author 2004-03-25 21:44:34.

justine

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

03/25/2004 10:08:15 PM · #21

Maybe because it says PIZZA-
Marco's, Manny's, Mildred's, Mary's Pizza. :)

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ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

03/25/2004 10:40:10 PM · #22

Pleas bear in mind... while anyone could in theory submit a disqualification request for any reason (including spite)*, only the Site Council can initiate a proof request. We decide whether to request proof on a case by case basis. If a DQ request is clearly without merit, we will vote DQ, and the photographer will never even know that a request was made. If the photograph clearly violates the rules, we may disqualify straight away without requesting proof.

On the photographs where we need more information to make a determination one way or the other, the Site Council will vote to request proof... it is only at that point that you the photographer will receive a proof request. While the Site Council can request proof for any reason or for no reason, it is never done out of spite. Our goal is to provide an enjoyable experience and a level playing field for everyone, and all decisions by Site Council are made with those goals, and only those goals, in mind.

* - Just because you can does not mean you should -- abuse of the DQ system is subject to appropriate action.

TrollMan

Fujifilm X-T4

Fujifilm XF 35mm f/1.4

03/26/2004 06:57:45 AM · #23

I voted for one photo to be DQ'ed in the portrait challenge. It was a picture of a plain coffee mug. While I liked the coffee mug I didn't think it would qualify as a portrait.

I received a message from a DP advising me that it should not be DQ'ed because the photographer could have misinterpreted the challenge, thinking that it would be okay to submit any photo as long as it was in a portrait format... (as opposed to landscape).

So... I say they are very lenient but I agree that they have to draw the line somewhere.

boomer