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03/22/2004 02:49:47 AM · #1 |
I would love to see the voting statistics for the voter who gave this image 1 point, or even the two voters who gave it 2 points.
what scores did they give the rest of the entries !!!
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03/22/2004 05:26:08 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by peecee:
I would love to see the voting statistics for the voter who gave this image 1 point, or even the two voters who gave it 2 points.
what scores did they give the rest of the entries !!! |
It's just one of the things ya gotta live with. It is sad but there is nothing one can do about it. |
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03/22/2004 05:30:48 AM · #3 |
People that vote 1's obviously have absolutely no idea what photography is about, or that they just have poor taste. Honestly though, they shouldn't be voting at all if they are going to give perfectly good photos a 1.
BTW Kiwi, excellent photo and gr8 job on the ribbon. |
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03/22/2004 05:40:43 AM · #4 |
I can accept someone voting 1s for bad photographs, I have given 1s myself to obviously poorly taken shots (they have to be real bad)
What criteria must these voters in question have for scoring higher? |
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03/22/2004 05:48:39 AM · #5 |
Thanx Aussie :)
I think it's more of a situation where people vote other photos very low in order to get their own photos into a better scoring position. It doesn't work though. |
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03/22/2004 07:26:21 AM · #6 |
Yeh, its all very strange how this managed to get a 1. Its a smiliar situation where you see a very poor photo and someone gives it a 10!
Its a great shot, well done.
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03/22/2004 07:34:17 AM · #7 |
| Even if, by some stretch of the imagination, one feels that Kiwi's subject was ugly (?!), how can ANYONE fault the stunning color, composition and general technical perfection (IMO) of the image?? |
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03/22/2004 07:55:40 AM · #8 |
Kiwi's is definitely a case of the voters who go around giving the best ones a 1 thinking it will boost their scores.
BTW, great shot Kiwi...congrats!
My portrait got 12 ones. It was definitely a case of people who decided animal portraits were not OK.
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03/22/2004 08:13:00 AM · #9 |
While you are at it, why not round up anyone who gave it less than a 5 and throw them off the site too ?
I could understand criteria where people would vote it low, but it is an excellent portrait.
Its a voting scale from 1 to 10 - you are allowed to use it, you know... |
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03/22/2004 08:17:47 AM · #10 |
True dat G man. I liked it too. Nice portrait.
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03/22/2004 08:22:15 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by kiwiness:
Thanx Aussie :)
I think it's more of a situation where people vote other photos very low in order to get their own photos into a better scoring position. It doesn't work though. |
If that is the prevailing logic then it suggests the person thought their photograph would place somewhere near where this photograph finished... near the top. Top finishers with low voting averages would be suspect.
I think it could have been someone who was upset their own photograph was doing poorly and took their frustration out on everyone else.
Regardless, congrats on a great photo Kiwi and a well deserved ribbon. |
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03/22/2004 08:24:40 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
While you are at it, why not round up anyone who gave it less than a 5 and throw them off the site too ?
I could understand criteria where people would vote it low, but it is an excellent portrait.
Its a voting scale from 1 to 10 - you are allowed to use it, you know... |
Was this directed at mine or kiwi's?
I wasn't throwing a fit, just stating a fact.
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03/22/2004 08:25:29 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
Originally posted by Gordon:
While you are at it, why not round up anyone who gave it less than a 5 and throw them off the site too ?
I could understand criteria where people would vote it low, but it is an excellent portrait.
Its a voting scale from 1 to 10 - you are allowed to use it, you know... |
Was this directed at mine or kiwi's?
I wasn't throwing a fit, just stating a fact. |
Nope, it was nothing to do with you. |
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03/22/2004 08:36:03 AM · #14 |
I can see how its a scale of 1-10 on the site and there is no accounting for taste (I liked Hopper's 5th place entry and Sher's 10th place finish as much as I like Gary's but that's totally my taste). As far as technical merit goes I find it difficult to believe that anyone could reasonably score this as anything other than well above average. By that I mean if they tend to hand out 3's and 4's this should be a 6. If, like me, they tend to hand out 5's, 6's and 7's then this should be well above that average. If someone has something to point out that could be done better then I'd love to see what it is. I pointed out the light spot on the cheek in my comment during the voting but only put that because I've been trying to add something constructive to any comment I make. Even having said that I added that it was merely a personal preference and that the photo was great the way it was taken. Now who out there can find any other nit to pick with a shot like this? Teach me, if no one else.
Kev
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03/22/2004 08:39:26 AM · #15 |
| Not everyone votes on technical merit though. |
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03/22/2004 08:44:15 AM · #16 |
It's fair to get a few ones and a few sub 4's on a winner. Evens it up -it's not just 1st place that get's ones, it's acros the board. (not that I can see why someone would value it "1")
Funny how you never see anyone moaning about the last place shot getting some 10's - same thing to me and again more proof of balance on the site. |
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03/22/2004 08:56:37 AM · #17 |
Awwww, dammit!
The last place vote got 1 10 and 2 9's. Now how could that be!
hehe
edit: just kidding. Looks like Michael was making a statement or missing a subject.
Message edited by author 2004-03-22 08:57:29.
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03/22/2004 08:58:09 AM · #18 |
On the parrallel challenge, I am not going to get through the 20% do to conflicts at work.
a) Is there a penalty associated with getting your votes thrown out?
b) What happens to any comments I have left? Do I need to go back and PM anyone I dropped a note to, or do the comments last even if my votes get bounced?
Apologies in advance to anyone I voted for who is closely watching their score, as this will make the calcualtions a little more difficult.
Best
Bill M.
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03/22/2004 09:02:38 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
My portrait got 12 ones. It was definitely a case of people who decided animal portraits were not OK.
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The "doesn't meet the challenge" sect has certainly strengthened enourmously since I last entered - I was expecting to get badly hit on this but I wasn't expecting it to be QUITE that severe (22 ones!)
Ahh well - at least it gives me a lowpoint to try and beat! |
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03/22/2004 09:53:26 AM · #20 |
It certainly would be interesting to know why people score images 1 when they are not obviously bad shots. A 1 vote seems to be the vote of choice to those who find something personally distasteful or completely off topic. I received 5 1's on my portrait challenge but then I'm not surprised due to the vocal silent sect members stating they would do such a thing. There are a lot of other images that receive 1 votes that do not have such logical connections as to why someone would find it personally distasteful.
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03/22/2004 09:56:20 AM · #21 |
I'd always thought '1' voters on good photos think it will boost their shot.
Still would be good to know what they are thinking------? |
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03/22/2004 10:15:40 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by moodville:
It certainly would be interesting to know why people score images 1 when they are not obviously bad shots. A 1 vote seems to be the vote of choice to those who find something personally distasteful or completely off topic. I received 5 1's on my portrait challenge but then I'm not surprised due to the vocal silent sect members stating they would do such a thing. There are a lot of other images that receive 1 votes that do not have such logical connections as to why someone would find it personally distasteful. |
I know what you`re saying here and it`s something I`ve puzzled over recently since trying out a few different effects and styles and finding them getting slaughtered regardless of how well the rest of your image is composed.
I`m not a great lover of animal portraits but gave your submission a 9 to reflect the fact that it was otherwise perfect to me.It would appear that some people with a similar outlook are scoring much lower..why ??
Surely there`s composition and use of light or colour,suitability to the challenge, etc to be weighed up as well.
Personal taste seems to rank higher than all the rest combined !
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03/22/2004 10:27:58 AM · #23 |
This topic seems to come up often. I was disappointed to see 8 votes of 3 or less on my portrait, which should meet even narrow definitions of "portrait" and has no glaring technical problems. Perhaps a few people got lost looking for MentallyChallenged.com. Anything less than a 5 on Kiwi's portrait pic should just send an electric shock through the voter's keyboard. ;-)
I posted a note on another thread suggesting that scores of 1 or 10 require a comment. Yes, some people will just switch to a 2 to skirt the requirement, but at least the determined 1 voters will leave an explanation. People giving a 10 will tend to leave a comment anyway or at least be happy to do so, thus requiring little extra effort in most cases. Those trying to affect their own scores can be easily eliminated by simply not counting the votes for any person whose average vote is less than 2 or greater than 8 (for example) for any given challenge. I think a similar system is already in use. |
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03/22/2004 10:41:50 AM · #24 |
I think for Members Only Challenges, it would be great to display who voted what score when a challenge ends. I think after the challenge, the secrecy should end.
If you can't handle your vote being displayed, don't vote! That way, we could learn a lot. If I got low votes on a top-scoring photo, I could then e-mail the people who scored me low and ask why (especially if they didn't comment).
It would add some accountability...
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03/22/2004 11:13:22 AM · #25 |
At one time I was in favor of making the voting public, but now I don't see that it matters much either way.
The primary goal (imo) of DPC is to provide a learning center and have a little fun along the way. From a contest perspective, DPC ranks in the ghettos. There's nothing tangible to win here, just a few pixels on the screen.
If each contestant/participant learned something new during the challenge I think they got as much or more value than winning a few pixels. I think the scores are secondary.
There's nothing wrong with changes that bring about improvements though. |
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