Corporal Punishment by a teacher on my daughter

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05/26/2008 03:47:30 PM · #76

Originally posted by pixelpig:

... miserably underpaid career...

In Canada, teachers are very well paid, have lots of vacation time, and have a sweet retirement package. Not that this has any bearing on this thread that I'm aware of, but it's too bad. And no matter how well-paying, I'd wouldn't have the patience or interest to teach anybody anything year after year.

In Canada, you can't get into teacher's college without an "A" average in university. Something that's always miffed me a bit about that is thinking back to all the general arts students with twelve hours per week of bird courses, while science students had 35+ hours per week which were not bird courses, except for the required arts electives, of course.

JMart

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05/26/2008 03:51:54 PM · #77

Originally posted by pixelpig:

There is no incentive you could offer me to teach in public school. I could never deal successfully with the enraged parents & there is no way to avoid enraged parents. Even with the maximum in damage control of no homework, no exams, no discipline, & no consequences for misbehavior, still some parent would be enraged over something, demanding the end of my miserably underpaid career. Or I would be shot dead by one of the students.

I have nothing but admiration for the heroes & heroniens who teach public school. I don't know how they do it.

Thanks for the teacher support. The thing is, most teachers are SO far from what is being descibed here. Most have had no problem learning how to manage a class in a firm but nurturing way. If you follow the ~~5 Ps~~ 6 Ps (Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance) then kids get in trouble less and parents really don't get enraged.

Not that I haven't had parents call me when they're upset about something that happened at school. They do, but they are reasonable when we get everything out in the open (and maybe find that a child wasn't telling the whole ruth). I think this is the experience of the vast majority of teachers and our day to day experience with parents and children is positive, otherwise there wouldn't be many of us sticking with education.

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Art Roflmao

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05/26/2008 03:58:08 PM · #78

Originally posted by togtog:

Teacher lets kindergarten students vote out classmate, 5yo.

"After each classmate was allowed to say what they didn't like about Barton's 5-year-old son, Alex, his Morningside Elementary teacher Wendy Portillo said they were going to take a vote, Barton said.

By a 14 to 2 margin, the students voted Alex â�� who is in the process of being diagnosed with autism â�� out of the class."

Full story.

I was one of the 2 who voted to keep him. He kept the class lively and interesting. :P

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05/26/2008 04:10:22 PM · #79

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by togtog:
Teacher lets kindergarten students vote out classmate, 5yo.

"After each classmate was allowed to say what they didn't like about Barton's 5-year-old son, Alex, his Morningside Elementary teacher Wendy Portillo said they were going to take a vote, Barton said.

By a 14 to 2 margin, the students voted Alex â�� who is in the process of being diagnosed with autism â�� out of the class."

Full story.

I was one of the 2 who voted to keep him. He kept the class lively and interesting. :P

...but you were the second one to be voted off the island. :-D

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05/26/2008 04:11:15 PM · #80

Slippy, I hope that things turn out well. It was wrong for her to do that, I know we used to get lines all the friggin time, mind you know i think about it, if it was all the time, it didnt work. But you get the point

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05/26/2008 04:14:56 PM · #81

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I was one of the 2 who voted to keep him. He kept the class lively and interesting. :P

...but you were the second one to be voted off the island. :-D

That's correct, but we formed our own band called "Autistic Freedom" and we are currently on tour. We showed them !@#*& $@#!%* !!

...did I mention my Tourettes?

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05/26/2008 04:22:28 PM · #82

...

Further to the story, it turns out there was one other classmate, a boy, in her class who was climbing a tree at the same time. He was punished the same way. His mother has also spoken to the principal about this teacher. The principal is supposed to speak with the teacher, today I guess. I also guess we'll either be hearing back form the principal, or have to contact her to follow up. As far as I'm concerned, the teacher and the principal are on the same team, so I don't trust the system.

...

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05/26/2008 04:32:43 PM · #83

Typical story of boy meets girl, boy talks girl into breaking rules, boy and girl get caught, punished and then run away together and go on a cross country crime spree.

*shakes head* It happens all too often.

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05/26/2008 04:39:34 PM · #84

You just described Genesis more or less...

Except you need more snakes, apples, and goblins, yeah lots of those...

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

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05/26/2008 04:41:23 PM · #85

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

LOL! Noooooo! :-O

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05/26/2008 06:34:12 PM · #86

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Hmmm, so the story went from her being the only one punished, to now being one of two. So, like I said, the recollection of a 9 year old can be hazy sometimes..

Message edited by author 2008-05-26 18:35:17.

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05/26/2008 06:34:38 PM · #87

Originally posted by togtog:

You just described Genesis more or less...

Except you need more snakes, apples, and goblins, yeah lots of those...

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Typical story of boy meets girl, boy talks girl into breaking rules, boy and girl get caught, punished and then run away together and go on a cross country crime spree.

*shakes head* It happens all too often.

and Phil Collins..

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05/26/2008 07:27:41 PM · #88

One of our punishments at that age was to sit at our desks, on our hands, thru' recess, so it's much like the physical aspect of this case. I don't think that part's so terrible.

But I still feel that encouraging her classmates to turn against her is WRONGWRONGWRONG, for so many reason. How many would, not because they want to, but because they're afraid of attracting the teacher's disapproval if they don't?
How many would continue to taunt her afterwards, because the teacher said it's okay to bully? It's never right to turn a group of youngsters against a single one!

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05/26/2008 07:31:10 PM · #89

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by pixelpig:
... miserably underpaid career...

In Canada, teachers are very well paid, have lots of vacation time, and have a sweet retirement package. Not that this has any bearing on this thread that I'm aware of, but it's too bad. And no matter how well-paying, I'd wouldn't have the patience or interest to teach anybody anything year after year.

In Canada, you can't get into teacher's college without an "A" average in university. Something that's always miffed me a bit about that is thinking back to all the general arts students with twelve hours per week of bird courses, while science students had 35+ hours per week which were not bird courses, except for the required arts electives, of course.

In the USA teachers are paid so poorly that they can't buy a house unless they're married & have a 2nd income. Forget about the arts, nobody in the USA cares about the arts. There are no arts in the public schools any more.

JMart

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05/26/2008 07:45:41 PM · #90

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Forget about the arts, nobody in the USA cares about the arts. There are no arts in the public schools any more.

<----- Uh, <*cough*> orchestra teacher right here ;)

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Message edited by author 2008-05-26 19:47:15.

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05/26/2008 08:26:20 PM · #91

Originally posted by JMart:

Originally posted by pixelpig:
Forget about the arts, nobody in the USA cares about the arts. There are no arts in the public schools any more.

<----- Uh, <*cough*> orchestra teacher right here ;)

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Yeah, I thought bands were a big thing down there? They sure put a lot of them into our parades here!

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05/26/2008 08:43:43 PM · #92

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by JMart:

Originally posted by pixelpig:
Forget about the arts, nobody in the USA cares about the arts. There are no arts in the public schools any more.

<----- Uh, <*cough*> orchestra teacher right here ;)

ETA quote

Yeah, I thought bands were a big thing down there? They sure put a lot of them into our parades here!

Yes, bands and choirs are big in most US schools and orchestras in many. The trouble is that it often depend on the property values of the people in the school district. So, middle and upper class districts tend to get more arts and the districts with poorer residents often lack any serious arts education.

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05/26/2008 08:51:32 PM · #93

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

I also guess we'll either be hearing back form the principal, or have to contact her to follow up. As far as I'm concerned, the teacher and the principal are on the same team, so I don't trust the system.

You can trust that it has minimised the chances of your daughter breaking her neck falling out of a tree.

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05/26/2008 10:31:58 PM · #94

What I was reminded of by Slippy's description of the punishment was simply a less severe form of what goes on in interrogating a suspected terrorist.

Humiliation and stress positions have no place in education.

What's next, waterboarding kindergartners? Placing unruly 3rd graders in the stocks at recess?

I'd be having a "conversation" with both the principle AND the teacher in question and I would leave no question in their mind about what types of punishment I considered acceptable and that acceptable does not include physical punishment and public humiliation. If a teacher can't maintain order without resorting to military interrogation techniques, then they should not be teaching...period.

There are much better ways to address behaviors in an educational environment.

Mick

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05/26/2008 11:59:37 PM · #95

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Ohmygod, I hope the military has better interrogation techniques than making a suspect sit at a desk until they talk. I can just imagine it...

Iterrogator:
"You vill give to us ze location of ze rebel forces or ve vill make you write 100 times on ze chalkboard."

Suspect:
"Oh please no! Anything but that!"

Iterrogator:
"Heh heh heh, yeessss! Und if zat does not loosing your tongue ve can always make you... SIT AT ZE DESK UND MAKE FUN OF YOU!!!"

Suspect:
"NOOOOOO!!! I'll talk! I'll talk!"

Pretty silly, isn't it? :)

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05/27/2008 12:02:54 AM · #96

Not so much when you're talking about 9yr-olds.

togtog

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05/27/2008 12:04:46 AM · #97

Kids are not adults. Things that seem like no big deal to us, do seem like a big deal to them. Try to get some perspective.

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05/27/2008 12:06:26 AM · #98

FWIW...as an educator, anytime you put a child outside the relm of being educated...like standing in a corner or what ever else described here, you scream to on-lookers "I have no idea what to do with this child"

Mick

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05/27/2008 12:10:08 AM · #99

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Not so much when you're talking about 9yr-olds.

I hope we haven't stooped to interrogating nine-year-old kids for suspicion of terrorism.

Although, with a lot of the kids we have around nowadays... ;)