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Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

05/21/2008 11:21:02 AM · #26

Originally posted by Venom:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
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Some themes are clearly DNMC in an objective way. B&W image in a Complementary Colors challenge or a Color photo in a B&W challenge. Movie Titles is a little trickier, because who is to say what movies are all out there. ABC...LMN...XYZ was pretty cut and dried too.

others, there is lattitude.

If I'm suspicious of whether or not a "movie title" is truely a movie, I will Google or IMDB search it. Both of those sites have a pretty extensive list of movies. If your said movie shows up you're good; but if not, it'll most likely likely be voted down.

From there you can judge the merits/subject of the image, to see if they match the title. Last but not least the attributes of the image, DOF, lighting, composition, clarity, etc...

Yeah, there is the IMDB, but it's not complete. So I think movie titles are a little more tricky.

However, the challenge clearly stated that the title of the image should be the title of the movie. Not the movie title plus a bunch of explanatory words or comments. So these DNMC, IMO, but if they included a real title, I might just knock off 3-4 points.

Sugarpie

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/21/2008 11:25:38 AM · #27

I go through all photos first, then I go through them again and vote. An example of how I would vote is

EXAMPLE ONLY!
soft focus challenge

a sharp photo would recieve a significant lower score than a photo with actual soft focus. And the Challenge description does come into play

05/21/2008 11:26:42 AM · #28

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

...if the photographer's imagination results in a photo that does not mean the clearly defined terms of the challenge, then that photo should not be submitted. If they submit anyway, they should receive a score based on the quality of the photo AS IT RELATES TO THE THEME. If it does not relate to the theme, then it deserves no score in that challenge....

Again, from my original post (below):

"I have seen and continue to see perfectly good photographs here penalized for exceeding the appreciative capacity of voters to recognize an entry for the poignant topicality it may demonstrate" and "I cannot, in good conscience, penalize something or someone for a fault that may lie within me and not with a picture".

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

05/21/2008 11:33:43 AM · #29

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
...if the photographer's imagination results in a photo that does not mean the clearly defined terms of the challenge, then that photo should not be submitted. If they submit anyway, they should receive a score based on the quality of the photo AS IT RELATES TO THE THEME. If it does not relate to the theme, then it deserves no score in that challenge....

Again, from my original post (below):

"I have seen and continue to see perfectly good photographs here penalized for exceeding the appreciative capacity of voters to recognize an entry for the poignant topicality it may demonstrate" and "I cannot, in good conscience, penalize something or someone for a fault that may lie within me and not with a picture".

Sounds like personal opinions to me...to each their own.

PapaBob

05/21/2008 11:35:38 AM · #30

Challenge description should come into play and part of voting is how well the photo conveys the idea of the challenge topic, without that all challenges would just be free studies. I tend to vote lower when the photo does not meet the challenge.

05/21/2008 11:47:54 AM · #31

Originally posted by zeuszen:

So you would then argue about the definition of "IS", right? Egads.

And for many, your "original post" is ABOVE, not below.

Again, where you keep missing the boat, no matter how many times you requote yourself, is that we've been clear about when it's OBJECTIVELY failing to meeting the theme. No Dali-like interpretation or Clinton-defense gymnastics needed.

citymars

Nikon D700

05/21/2008 11:56:40 AM · #32

Here are a few other threads on the same topic that you may find interesting reading:

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05/21/2008 11:59:30 AM · #33

Originally posted by citymars:

Here are a few other threads on the same topic that you may find interesting reading:

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05/21/2008 12:00:25 PM · #34

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

...where you keep missing the boat,...when it's OBJECTIVELY failing to meeting the theme. No Dali-like interpretation or Clinton-defense gymnastics needed.

I don't think making it personal will establish the objectivity you claim.

Message edited by author 2008-05-21 12:00:47.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

05/21/2008 12:03:18 PM · #35

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
...where you keep missing the boat,...when it's OBJECTIVELY failing to meeting the theme. No Dali-like interpretation or Clinton-defense gymnastics needed.

I don't think making it personal will establish the objectivity you claim.

Who made it personal? You? You're acting like for subjective themes, we're claiming to be the only ones who can define the theme and no one has said such a thing. And yes, I can objectively show you're misstating the case we're making it based on your replies.

Message edited by author 2008-05-21 12:04:05.

Sugarpie

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/21/2008 12:07:13 PM · #36

Would anyone show up to a hawaiin themed wedding dressed as a relatively good looking elvis?

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM

05/21/2008 12:09:01 PM · #37

Originally posted by Sugarpie:

Would anyone show up to a hawaiin themed wedding dressed as a relatively good looking elvis?

From Blue Hawaii or "Aloha from Hawaii" Concert? :) :) :)

Sugarpie

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/21/2008 12:10:18 PM · #38

Okay bad example LOL but I hope I get a point across

citymars

Nikon D700

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

05/21/2008 12:17:42 PM · #39

never mind

Message edited by author 2008-05-21 12:18:19.

Trinch

Canon EOS-40D

05/21/2008 01:37:42 PM · #40

Back in grade school art class, I was asked to drawing a landscape with watercolor for homework. I wasn't very good at painting, so I took a photograph of a ladybug instead. It was a very beautiful artistic photograph with lovely colors, well composed, and sharp focus. I can't figure out why I got an 'F'.

;)

citymars

Nikon D700

05/21/2008 01:39:48 PM · #41

Originally posted by Trinch:

Obviously your teacher couldn't think outside the box. ;-)

05/21/2008 02:09:07 PM · #42

Originally posted by citymars:

Originally posted by Trinch:
Back in grade school art class, I was asked to drawing a landscape with watercolor for homework. I wasn't very good at painting, so I took a photograph of a ladybug instead. It was a very beautiful artistic photograph with lovely colors, well composed, and sharp focus. I can't figure out why I got an 'F'.
;)

Obviously your teacher couldn't think outside the box. ;-)

Well, nowadays, he'd get a "just for trying" trophy because no one wants their self-esteem messed with.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/22/2008 04:58:50 PM · #43

If you order a pizza, and after waiting for an hour they come to serve you nothing but overcooked brussel sprouts, would that be ok?
Perhaps it was the cook's interpretation of "pizza".

Surely he should be given room for creative license, right, zeuszen? (and everybody else who doesn't care about the challenge topic)

Why bother entering a THEMED challenge when you simply want to create and share a piece of art?

Most people have already said they keep an open mind to allow for differences in interpretation, but there are times where the topic is VERY clear cut, and if someone can't be bothered to make an effort to meet the challenge, then they don't deserve to be scored as if they had.

ryand

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

05/22/2008 05:04:30 PM · #44

DNMC's can't get anything higher than a 5 from me. The terrible DNMC's will get a 1-3, things that I can see if I stretch my brain for 10 minutes get the 4s or 5s

ryand

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

05/22/2008 05:05:53 PM · #45

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Well, nowadays, he'd get a "just for trying" trophy because no one wants their self-esteem messed with.

lol, because we have to be so politically correct. To me they say "good try, but you suck".

05/22/2008 11:18:05 PM · #46

Originally posted by Beetle:

As a voter/commenter I didn't order a thing. I can't, for the life of me, figure out what pizza should have to do with photography. Even the best pizza is destined for consumption. The kind of images I tend to vote and comment on are clearly not.

Themed challenges are a common tool used to stimulate creativity benefitting participating photographers. If an entrant does not take advantage of such a tool, let it be his business.
Any benefit, IMO, is corrupted when hordes of pharisees, with a stroke of a key, pass judgment on matters outside of their experience and then, righteously, justify the damage.

The job, IMO, should be to promote the best pictures, so we may enjoy and learn from them, without undue distractions.
The job, IMO, is not to deride works we do not fully embrace or understand.

The fact that you use pizza in your analogy in this context, is telling.
When I look around, after five years on this site, pizza does come to mind. Shame, really.

chromeydome

Nikon D7000

05/22/2008 11:29:00 PM · #47

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Any benefit, IMO, is corrupted when hordes of pharisees, with a stroke of a key, pass judgment on matters outside of their experience and then, righteously, justify the damage.

I find it difficult to reconcile the above statement with your voting record:
Votes Cast: 13,423
Avg Vote Cast: 3.5606

05/22/2008 11:32:28 PM · #48

Originally posted by chromeydome:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

Any benefit, IMO, is corrupted when hordes of pharisees, with a stroke of a key, pass judgment on matters outside of their experience and then, righteously, justify the damage.

I find it difficult to reconcile the above statement with your voting record:
Votes Cast: 13,423
Avg Vote Cast: 3.5606

Difficulties can be overcome.