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 04/22/2008 10:33:47 AM · #26
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Yes, but the Apple displays need calibration too. If you're at all serious about photography/art, ANY display should be calibrated before use.

Also true, and the iMacs are way too bright by default. I only mentioned it with the Dell monitors because I calibrated several and the difference was huge compared to the slight shifts I saw on Cinema Displays.

Message edited by author 2008-04-22 10:36:24.
 04/22/2008 10:39:33 AM · #27
Well, It looks like you might be able to get close to a grand for the old one ebay sold item - Sorry I just realized Scalvert mentioned this already.

Originally posted by cpurser:
I've been with Mac for about 3 years, and now it is time to upgrade machines. I currently have a iMac G5 20".


Message edited by author 2008-04-22 10:49:08.
 04/22/2008 10:47:58 AM · #28
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Yes, but the Apple displays need calibration too. If you're at all serious about photography/art, ANY display should be calibrated before use.

Also true, and the iMacs are way too bright by default. I only mentioned it with the Dell monitors because I calibrated several and the difference was huge compared to the slight shifts I saw on Cinema Displays.


My Dell is by default, a bit dark and very cyan. Calibration makes a HUGE difference. Though once calibrated, it looks every bit as good as an Apple display. Well, at least my sister's 30", well, my display is smaller, but I don't take that personally.
 04/22/2008 10:50:12 AM · #29
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
My Dell is by default, a bit dark and very cyan. Calibration makes a HUGE difference. Though once calibrated, it looks every bit as good as an Apple display.

Yep, I'm working on a 24" Dell monitor right now (although I also have a 17" Cinema display attached as a second opinion).
 04/22/2008 10:53:39 AM · #30
My Dell 24" (2407WFP) colour shifts like crazy. :( It's actually difficult to calibrate, even with hardware.
 04/22/2008 10:56:18 AM · #31
I asked my self these same questions and what do ya know, I'm now the proud owner of a dell with almost the exact specs you listed. Its friggin awesome.
 04/22/2008 11:09:53 AM · #32
Originally posted by Louis:
Just remember that the above Mac evangelists are offering opinions. :) "OSX has it all over Vista", "Windows baggage", etc. I've been on both sides myself, and, quite frankly, found OSX to be a clunky unintuitve mess compared to Vista. I understand you love OSX and that's great, but don't be swayed by simple "Vista sux" arguments. They're silly. I use it professionally and at home, and have none of the problems described here. If you're not an idiot and know how to deal with your own e-mail, and have at least a modicum of caution when surfing online (no suspect porn sites for you!), you don't need A/V. I don't use it, never have. And don't be fooled by price arguments -- it is, without a doubt, cheaper to go PC.


Then why is there this ground swell to get Microsoft to continue support for XP?

//www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/04/14/microsoft.xp.ap/index.html

I work extensively on both platforms, (I am typing on my work supplied Dell at the moment). Even PC magazine rates OS X over any offering from Microsoft.

//www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2273487,00.asp

You can also google "Mac vs PC TCO" to get a lot of links like this one (TCO = total cost of ownership)

//www.macvspc.info/pages/03.html

Message edited by author 2008-04-22 11:10:59.
 04/22/2008 11:10:01 AM · #33
Can dell be calibrated properly? I've been trying to get the right quality on my uni monitor for ages but it's never going to look any good. Sometimes even the ribbon winners look like trash.. Those monitors are the only reason I don't vote as much as I'd like to..
04/22/2008 11:14:53 AM · #34
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Then why is there this ground swell to get Microsoft to continue support for XP?

Whiners. ;-)
 04/22/2008 11:16:16 AM · #35
Originally posted by Louis:
My Dell 24" (2407WFP) colour shifts like crazy. :( It's actually difficult to calibrate, even with hardware.


I have the 2005, and do not have any problems, it shifts very little and I can only tell the effect of the calibration when I remove the profile.

What calibrator are you using (have you used)?

I use the EyeOne.
 04/22/2008 11:19:34 AM · #36
The 1 day deal is BS. Dell is ALWAYS selling something for '1 month only'...or 'within the next 24 hours'. I bought a Dell PDA because I thought I had only a few days to choose. It's still the same price a year later.

I've been a PC person my whole life. I put together my own PC (Not as hard as many people think) and it works far better and faster than an out of the box PC at twice the price. The only downside is that you are your own support line.

If you go Dell, then you have support. I'd choose a Windows PC over a Mac any day, but that debate will never end. You're either one or the other or somehow manage to work between both.
 04/22/2008 11:23:01 AM · #37
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Then why is there this ground swell to get Microsoft to continue support for XP?

Whiners. ;-)


Did you ever think people would be clamoring to keep XP? ;-)

Here where I work, we are getting ready to deploy roughly 4000 new PCs, all with XP. The IT managers say that Vista just wasn't compelling enough to go through the massive training effort to support and use it. They're waiting for whatever comes next after Vista. But we are deploying Office 2007 with the new PCs. Go figure.
 04/22/2008 11:24:50 AM · #38
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I have the 2005, and do not have any problems... I use the EyeOne.

Same here.
 04/22/2008 11:25:10 AM · #39
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
What calibrator are you using (have you used)?

I use Spyder2. With all previous versions of this monitor I've had (and with all the CRTs I had before those), hardware calibration worked wonders. With this particular model (maybe this particular unit), I'm left with having to use presets or do an RGB slider calibration by eye.
 04/22/2008 11:26:54 AM · #40
watch out for "included" monitors. they tend to have poor refresh rates and viewing angles.
if you're going with dell, i suggest stepping up to an UltraSharp, which will probably cost you another $100 or so.
 04/22/2008 11:32:11 AM · #41
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
What calibrator are you using (have you used)?

I use Spyder2. With all previous versions of this monitor I've had (and with all the CRTs I had before those), hardware calibration worked wonders. With this particular model (maybe this particular unit), I'm left with having to use presets or do an RGB slider calibration by eye.


I'll bet it's Vista...

Have you contacted Dell? Tried another calibrator package?

I think I do remember hearing that Dell had calibration problems with the 24" widescreen LCD's.
 04/22/2008 11:37:09 AM · #42
Why would anyone use Mac to begin with, unless you do video editing? I've never seen any proof that shows the whole "Macs > Windows for PS" crap; in fact, the benchmarks I saw of comparable machines (though the benchmarks are old), the Windows machines won. Huh.

Honestly, I've found that Macs are really just a bunch of marketing for technophiles who don't want to learn how to actually do anything with a computer. "It works with everything..." Right, so does Windows, geniuses. Especially preconfigured systems, like that Dell you're looking at. Building one, well sure, you may have to find drivers to make "everything work." Just the fact that you CAN build a PC gives it major points over a Mac in my book.

On a less ranty note, I have a very comparable PC that I built myself. A couple things:

Pros:
- You'll have support for the Dell
- It's a fast machine. My system is practically identical, Q6600, but with 4gbs or RAM and an 8800GT 512mb. It flies. And if you game at all (or think you ever may), you can pull everything on Maximum. I overlock my 8800GT a bit, and I can play Crysis on Ultra High getting a smooth 30 FPS :)

Cons:
- It's a Dell, which means if you want to upgrade powerful parts like the GPU, you'll probably have to buy a better power supply, because Dell makes sure there's just enough to power what they put in. Anything else requires better, generally. Maybe that's different in their higher end systems but I'd doubt it.
- Graphics card is a little subpar, but perfectly usable. I'd step up to an 8800GT 512mb for just a tiny bit extra.

Or, if you think you may want to build the system, PM me and I can help ya out. You'll save a lot of money that way.

Message edited by author 2008-04-22 11:40:17.
 04/22/2008 11:48:44 AM · #43
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
What calibrator are you using (have you used)?

I use Spyder2. With all previous versions of this monitor I've had (and with all the CRTs I had before those), hardware calibration worked wonders. With this particular model (maybe this particular unit), I'm left with having to use presets or do an RGB slider calibration by eye.


I'll bet it's Vista...

Have you contacted Dell? Tried another calibrator package?

I think I do remember hearing that Dell had calibration problems with the 24" widescreen LCD's.

Haven't tried any of that. I prefer to give up when faced with adversity. :P But I did hear that as well, and I've read about a particularly bad blue colour shift with this model. I think it's time to "upgrade". Maybe I'll also check out that EyeOne.
 04/22/2008 11:59:07 AM · #44
the reason there are virtually no viruses for mac is cause no one wants to waste the time to make the mac harder to use than it is! =) I'm a PC guy.... but i build my own. You can build a 4,000 dollar MSRP computer for 1,500 and then it doesn't have all that extra crap on it from buying it from a manufacturer. Plus you can upgrade a PC without buying a whole new computer.....
 04/22/2008 12:02:12 PM · #45
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
Why would anyone use Mac to begin with, unless you do video editing? I've never seen any proof that shows the whole "Macs > Windows for PS" crap; in fact, the benchmarks I saw of comparable machines (though the benchmarks are old), the Windows machines won. Huh.

Honestly, I've found that Macs are really just a bunch of marketing for technophiles who don't want to learn how to actually do anything with a computer. "It works with everything..." Right, so does Windows, geniuses. Especially preconfigured systems, like that Dell you're looking at. Building one, well sure, you may have to find drivers to make "everything work." Just the fact that you CAN build a PC gives it major points over a Mac in my book.



Build a PC and get hardware problems, yeah, that's it. One problem and the Motherboard company blames the graphics card and they both blame the Optical Drive manufacturer who in turn blames the RAM manufacturer who blames a faulty power supply and so on in an endless DO loop. MMMMMM Those were the days for sure!

Mac works with everything easily as opposed to Windows restarting 67 times inserting a new driver disc every time I plug in an external disk. With the Mac, I just plug it in and use it. It's the same way with printers, scanners, cameras, monitors, anything really.

I'm sure you can get Windows to work with anything, but it's usually a whole lot more effort. That's OK if you want to become a computer genius to check email, but I'd rather save my brain for creative efforts. For that matter, I'm sure you could sit with a UNIX box and get everything to work using command lines. Maybe you should try that and then come talk to everyone about how silly GUI's are for technophobes.
 04/22/2008 12:03:26 PM · #46
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
Why would anyone use Mac to begin

j/k edit

Message edited by author 2008-04-22 17:51:54.
 04/22/2008 12:08:25 PM · #47
I'm ditching the ?@#R@! PC I bought, thankfully mostly for Internet use - have to CONSTANTLY upgrade the security, crashes weekly, when it restarts have to reset everything. Oh yes and it runs Vista which is the biggest piece of junk I've ever encountered. I'm going back to Mac...or rather adding another one, probably a MacBook with Leopard and oh 120G RAM and CS3, and Internet, that's all I need, and only because I've maxed out the RAM in my G3...which has NEVER crashed or given me any problems in any way shape or form. Nor has any Mac I've ever owned or worked on.
 04/22/2008 12:13:55 PM · #48
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
Why would anyone use Mac to begin




Hmmm...the above finished 43rd, and the following came in 78th.



So, you using a Mac there Steve? :-D
 04/22/2008 12:16:42 PM · #49
If you are a tweeker/tinkerer and love to fool around with settings and hardware and drivers and partitions and registries, then windows is for you. If you want to use a computer to do OTHER things, and see it as a tool to do those things, mac is the way to go. I switched a year ago, and my only regret is that I did not do it sooner. Have to use a windows POS at work, and now it is pure torture every day to fool with that damn thing.
 04/22/2008 12:19:22 PM · #50
that's sort of an exagerated analogy. pretty much anything i've plugged into my vista machine is recognized right off. maybe have to reboot after install - but that's about it.

to each his/her own i guess, we have both mac's and pc's in the house. and when something doesn't go right with the mac it's much more difficult to troubleshoot from my experience.

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Build a PC and get hardware problems, yeah, that's it. One problem and the Motherboard company blames the graphics card and they both blame the Optical Drive manufacturer who in turn blames the RAM manufacturer who blames a faulty power supply and so on in an endless DO loop. MMMMMM Those were the days for sure!



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