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 04/02/2008 08:49:05 AM · #26


I had a DNMC on this one and the pattern is or seems to be only visable by me LOL
 04/02/2008 09:01:27 AM · #27


DPC voters never cease to disappoint me. I'm not sure why someone would vote this photo less than 5. One commenter didn't like the blur. One commenter couldn't see a pattern. The other commenters all liked the photo, so no help from them. karmat liked the photo but seemed to know that it would score badly. I had no idea. Why? Is it the blur? There are parts in focus. Or can they really not see a pattern? I mean how many repetitions do they need to see a pattern? This photo immerses the viewer into a pattern. It's not a shoehorn. It was taken for the challenge.
 04/02/2008 09:02:51 AM · #28
Thanks Melethia and Bassbone for the great analysis of my entry as well as the outtakes that Melethia commented on. I liked the shadow, and thought it gave it some depth, but I had gotten some similar feedback on the shadow elsewhere. I guess that was a like it or hate it element.

I'll try to get around to everyone else's later today.
 04/02/2008 09:32:09 AM · #29
Here's mine. I had no great expectations because the pattern was a natural one and not all that dramatic. But it did better than I thought it would and I got a lot of great comments and a fave!

04/02/2008 10:12:52 AM · #30
Originally posted by Melethia:
Originally posted by Kelli:


The patterns on this bud fasinated me, the way all that pinkness stood out from the stark green leaves IMO is beautiful. This is the ultimate in softness, the softest swirl I've seen. Pillow soft. I have no idea what this plant is called, I saw it and it only had the one bud. I bought it for my grandmother for Easter since I knew I wanted that bud for my patterns entry, lol. I can sit and look at this for a long time.

You bring up a good point, Kelli - quite often the promise of the flower (the bud) is more powerful than the bloom itself. There's some sort of metaphor or simile or something in there, I'm sure. Don would know. :-) And I'm pleased you're pleased with it, too!


The flower would be the "vehicle" of the metaphor. You can put many things into that vehicle: the love between two people, the mind of a child in school, a nation preparing for war (whatever you put into the vehicle is called the "tenor").

This idea that the bud is more powerful than the bloom is part of the "ground" of the metaphor, i.e. the web of qualities about one thing that can now be applied to another thing.

Message edited by author 2008-04-02 10:14:28.
 04/02/2008 11:47:47 AM · #31
That's actually quite beautiful, particularly with respect to Kelli's image and some of the examples you suggested. Thanks.
 04/02/2008 11:49:33 AM · #32
Originally posted by Melethia:
That's actually quite beautiful, particularly with respect to Kelli's image and some of the examples you suggested. Thanks.


I agree, thanks Don and thanks Deb!
 04/02/2008 04:41:51 PM · #33


Well had no idea how it would be received. I thought it had quite a strong pattern, so perhaps a little disappointed by the outcome. But learned a better way to reduce images from eyewave, thanks, makes a huge difference.

There were a number of comments on the border. Found that without a strong border the pattern creates an optical illusion which makes the image appear quite warped. Perhaps I should have left it like that, it may have appealed more.

So far a great learning experience, just wish there would be more comments.
 04/02/2008 04:54:59 PM · #34
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I got mostly 4's 5's and 6's, which is what I expected this time. I got a lot of comments saying they wish I had change my focus - the first or second ring instead of in the middle of the image.

So much for trying something atypical.

Message edited by author 2008-04-02 16:58:01.
 04/02/2008 04:57:34 PM · #35


figured out how to do a thumbnail:

//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=661936

I got mostly 4's 5's and 6's, which is what I expected this time. I got a lot of comments saying they wish I had change my focus - the first or second ring instead of in the middle of the image.

So much for trying something atypical.
04/02/2008 04:58:17 PM · #36

i got some really good comments but i dont understand why i got some really low scores i really free its wrong! i got 1-1, 3-2s, 3-3s and 18-4s. i mean is it really that bad? either way i really like the photo and had a great time shooting it. also i wanted to say thanks to every for the comments. so thanx!
 04/03/2008 02:23:41 PM · #37
I just saw this thread so I had to ask...what was the problem with this? I loved the old brick with the vines. Any suggestions as to why it didn't do better?
 04/03/2008 02:28:56 PM · #38
Originally posted by hipychik:
I just saw this thread so I had to ask...what was the problem with this? I loved the old brick with the vines. Any suggestions as to why it didn't do better?


My image, which I thought should have done much better as well, suffered the same fate. The main reason I can see is that it was not a "slap you in the face" geometric pattern. It appears voting sentiment dictated that traditional geometric shapes are the only definition of the word pattern. The top 10 images are testament to that. like it or not, the voters have spoken. It is the way of DPC and has happened many times before and will happen many times more. Hope that helps.

Message edited by author 2008-04-03 14:29:28.
 04/03/2008 03:07:36 PM · #39
Originally posted by Melethia:
... Post your Patterns entry and an analysis of your own shot. Incorporate any insight from comments you may have achieved during voting. Then provide your assessment of the Pattern shot posted before yours. Be honest - if you don't like a shot, try to figure out why and express that tactfully. If you were put off by technical flaws, try to offer solutions in addition to pointing that out. And when you receive a comment, understand it is from a viewpoint other than your own. Try to understand what you've been offered. The point of this drill is to try to figure out why the score was lower than expected - which may or may not mean that your photograph is bad.

Anyone interested?

I think this is just the type of post-challenge discussion which has been sadly lacking recently -- thank you for starting this thread.

I think it's a great idea to have people comment on their own photo -- it's even better when those comments are in the "additional info" area on submission. I think looking at a prospective submission from the point of view of the "typical DPC voter" beforehand allows me to be less surprised by the scores when they actually come in ... :-)
 04/03/2008 03:18:25 PM · #40


was hoping for better on this one....

I tried to think a bit outside the box and I should have known that those types of images don't go over to well here. However, the image is in crisp focus(something I have lacked for awhile) and the colors are very clean and the best part is that I like the shot. I think even if you score low, if you just take what everyone else likes then the photography is just a job that you don't have fun with or get paid.....
 04/03/2008 06:08:47 PM · #41
Thanks for the comments guys and gals! Oh and I will try it in black and white, Michelle.

Message edited by author 2008-04-03 18:09:49.
 04/03/2008 06:22:10 PM · #42
Originally posted by hipychik:
Thanks for the comments guys and gals! Oh and I will try it in black and white, Michelle.


Terry - with all that highlight on the bricks and the current shades of light and dark on the vine (or branches) i think it's gonna look pretty cool.
 04/03/2008 09:11:10 PM · #43
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Melethia:
... Post your Patterns entry and an analysis of your own shot. Incorporate any insight from comments you may have achieved during voting. Then provide your assessment of the Pattern shot posted before yours. Be honest - if you don't like a shot, try to figure out why and express that tactfully. If you were put off by technical flaws, try to offer solutions in addition to pointing that out. And when you receive a comment, understand it is from a viewpoint other than your own. Try to understand what you've been offered. The point of this drill is to try to figure out why the score was lower than expected - which may or may not mean that your photograph is bad.

Anyone interested?

I think this is just the type of post-challenge discussion which has been sadly lacking recently -- thank you for starting this thread.

I think it's a great idea to have people comment on their own photo -- it's even better when those comments are in the "additional info" area on submission. I think looking at a prospective submission from the point of view of the "typical DPC voter" beforehand allows me to be less surprised by the scores when they actually come in ... :-)


I think Melethia has a blue ribbon for starting these postings. I think it helps when people put their photo back up for a second look. Sadly, the only shots I really look at when the challenge is over are the ones that score high or the bottom of the stack and of course where my picture is in the lineup. This type of thread lets those who really want to improve get additional comments and perhaps some insight as to how they could make the next shot even better. WTG Melethia and thanks for commenting on my photo, I really appreciate each comment..... they are so few sometimes.
 04/07/2008 07:31:26 PM · #44
Originally posted by hipychik:
I just saw this thread so I had to ask...what was the problem with this? I loved the old brick with the vines. Any suggestions as to why it didn't do better?


I don't know. I gave this one an 8 during the challenge. Clearly there is a pattern. It is also a very nicely composed photo. I liked it a lot.

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