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03/20/2008 09:56:09 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Maybe it isn't so easy to draw a nice box around EP after all. |
Maybe not, but there are fundamentals to define the genre. That's all I was ever talking about.
There are always exceptions to the rules, but the exceptions don't define fundalmental essence of what the subject matter is. |
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03/20/2008 10:02:47 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
What would you like to do to make it "formal"? |
I have no answer for you but it quite often seems that controversial Challenge topics could be better served.
How? I'm not sure but when you see such disparities arise in Challenges that are so broad in understanding or lack of understanding and not simply artistic choice, it should be addressed.
If the Challenges are there to educate....then educate, on the front end as well as the back end.
Some Challenges are painful to look through and when your entry gets beaten to shizzle by a group of people (based on comments recieved) that didn't really understand the topic, it doubles the hurt. Keep in mind a few very cool members (IMO) left the site recently because they were a little more than tired of suffering fools.
Message edited by author 2008-03-20 10:19:32. |
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03/20/2008 10:36:13 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
... If the Challenges are there to educate....then educate, on the front end as well as the back end. ... |
I agree with this. The problem is much of the "educating" now takes place in the middle, during the challenge, and becomes a platform for opposing viewpoints, many times it seems in an attempt to sway voting. I wish this could be controlled better, but don't see any way to do so without extreme censoring.
One thought on the "educating" piece...why not have a thread auto-generated at the beginning, when a challenge is announced? Like the way outtake threads are auto-generated now. At least then, with SC direction if needed, the educating conversations related to the current challenge could be kept to one place.
edit to fix quote bracket.
Message edited by author 2008-03-20 10:38:02. |
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03/20/2008 10:51:29 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
... If the Challenges are there to educate....then educate, on the front end as well as the back end. ... |
I agree with this. The problem is much of the "educating" now takes place in the middle, during the challenge, and becomes a platform for opposing viewpoints, many times it seems in an attempt to sway voting. I wish this could be controlled better, but don't see any way to do so without extreme censoring. |
I doubt enough people read the forums to sway anything. But if it does, then would any discussion have to wait until after voting has happened on any given challenge ? Once the theme is out there, people are starting to have ideas and therefore are partly locked in to a particular viewpoint. |
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03/20/2008 11:13:01 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
What would you like to do to make it "formal"? |
I have no answer for you but it quite often seems that controversial Challenge topics could be better served.
How? I'm not sure but when you see such disparities arise in Challenges that are so broad in understanding or lack of understanding and not simply artistic choice, it should be addressed.
If the Challenges are there to educate....then educate, on the front end as well as the back end.
Some Challenges are painful to look through and when your entry gets beaten to shizzle by a group of people (based on comments recieved) that didn't really understand the topic, it doubles the hurt. Keep in mind a few very cool members (IMO) left the site recently because they were a little more than tired of suffering fools. |
People have suggested that the challenge details be more complete or at least more detailed. That would help in a lot of instatnces.
Sometimes, I think the charm of the site is seeing how people understand (or misunderstand) a given topic. Or how strict some are on deciding if something is DNMC. It's frustrating at times, but can be fun to watch! ;-)
Message edited by author 2008-03-20 11:13:38. |
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03/20/2008 11:27:25 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I doubt enough people read the forums to sway anything. ... |
This thread has 54 posts and 1136 views.
The related scores thread has 97 posts and 1395 views. |
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03/20/2008 11:48:54 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Gordon:
I doubt enough people read the forums to sway anything. ... |
This thread has 54 posts and 1136 views.
The related scores thread has 97 posts and 1395 views. |
I hit reload a lot. What can I say ;) |
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03/20/2008 11:49:43 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
People have suggested that the challenge details be more complete or at least more detailed. That would help in a lot of instatnces.
Sometimes, I think the charm of the site is seeing how people understand (or misunderstand) a given topic. Or how strict some are on deciding if something is DNMC. It's frustrating at times, but can be fun to watch! ;-) |
Occasionally the challenge definition itself misses the point of the challenge title. Those are the fun weeks. |
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03/20/2008 11:50:27 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Sometimes, I think the charm of the site is seeing how people understand (or misunderstand) a given topic. Or how strict some are on deciding if something is DNMC. It's frustrating at times, but can be fun to watch! ;-) |
Ooooh....no, no, no. No joy here. No charm either. If I want to see how foolish or uneducated people are I can just look out the window or turn on the TV...read the NY Post. I'm up to my ears in that crap. Believe it or not...I come here to escape that stuff.
Please don't tell me I'm doomed to insanity.....Please! |
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03/20/2008 12:23:54 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Sometimes, I think the charm of the site is seeing how people understand (or misunderstand) a given topic. Or how strict some are on deciding if something is DNMC. It's frustrating at times, but can be fun to watch! ;-) |
Ooooh....no, no, no. No joy here. No charm either. If I want to see how foolish or uneducated people are I can just look out the window or turn on the TV...read the NY Post. I'm up to my ears in that crap. Believe it or not...I come here to escape that stuff.
Please don't tell me I'm doomed to insanity.....Please! |
I wish I could be more help. ;-) Have you tried calling the folks at the New York Post? they seme like a reasonable bunch. |
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03/20/2008 03:08:52 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
It could be said that we are always performing when there is a camera pointing towards ourselves, or indeed always performing when there are other people around at all. That's maybe why the 'unguarded' moment can be so prized as being telling about a person. In the second case, its only an EP, depending on the character of the subject ? I wonder how you tell that from the photo - isn't that what the photo communicates ? :) |
Well I couldn't be certain of course in say the DPC challenge so I would have to give the photographer the benefit of the doubt. I was talking in general though where more information about the photo can be obtained. |
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03/20/2008 04:15:43 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
... If the Challenges are there to educate....then educate, on the front end as well as the back end. ... |
I agree with this. The problem is much of the "educating" now takes place in the middle, during the challenge, and becomes a platform for opposing viewpoints, many times it seems in an attempt to sway voting. I wish this could be controlled better, but don't see any way to do so without extreme censoring.
One thought on the "educating" piece...why not have a thread auto-generated at the beginning, when a challenge is announced? Like the way outtake threads are auto-generated now. At least then, with SC direction if needed, the educating conversations related to the current challenge could be kept to one place.
edit to fix quote bracket. |
I have said the same in different posts. Why not further explain the challenge by suggesting examples? I often Google (IMAGE) the challenge title and see what types of examples it gives me. But there will always be those who just want to argue their point forever because they are scoring lower because no one seems to "get" their entry. But if we don't have a themed challenge it's just a "free-for-all" and people would get tired of beautiful landscape shots always winning.......
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03/20/2008 04:39:40 PM · #63 |
Oops! After looking at everyones photos & reading the
comments i've recieved, i've realized that I MAY have
misinterpereted the scope of the challenge! Lets just
say I interpereted it my way- & did a decent job of
following the meaning I put behind it. ; )
Make's me nervous for the next one tho! :/
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03/20/2008 05:08:39 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by kleski:
But if we don't have a themed challenge it's just a "free-for-all" and people would get tired of beautiful landscape shots always winning....... |
I think the point is to help avoid Theme Challenges from becoming Free-For-All's which does happen quite often. |
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03/23/2008 03:40:40 PM · #65 |
Hi all,
I am new to DPChallenge, but thought I would dig straight in and start posting.
I have found this great website with an article about Environmental Portraits.
Environmental Portraits on a Digital Photography Magazine
Hope you like it. |
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