20% Voting Across the Board - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

03/04/2004 06:28:18 AM · #1

With the increased number of entries the administrators should implement a 20% voting quota for all users. Each voter should be given a 20% random selection of entries to vote on only. Thumbnails for the other 80% should not be visible to voters until he/she has voted. This would lead to more thoughtful voting and increase the number of comments overall.

Does anyone else feel change is needed in the voting regime? Why? Whynot? Reasons? Suggestions?

General

Kodak Z7590

03/04/2004 06:54:20 AM · #2

Well i like the suggestion of 80 % not being visible , with past contest we seen so many entries that is thought of going over 400 photograph does seems slightly difficult
Good idea

kaycee

Olympus C-750UZ

03/04/2004 07:05:12 AM · #3

Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. I don't always want to vote on the first 20% I see - I enjoy scrolling through all the thumbnails and if there is a photo that is particularly good that strikes me or if there is a photo that I think I can give some helpful critique, I like to be able to choose to vote/comment on those particularly. On the other hand, sometimes a photo just doesn't speak to me at all - and I try to refrain from voting on those. They may work just fine for someone else.

andywightman

Nikon D80

03/04/2004 07:22:34 AM · #4

See other thread with orussell started also

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=74633

There need to be a good reason to change. Choosing which to vote on does not to my way of thinking unduly bias the voting since those photos you do not vote for simply get one less vote. There's no way of knowing whether that's to their advantage or disadvantage, Were you to have scored them low and others hight then they will benefit from your not voting and vice versa. if folk are concerned about bias then the way to avoid this is to ensure that those photos which do not receive a minimum threshold of votes simply don't get ranked. You can do this using a simple statistical calculation to avoid one photo getting neglected by everyone bar one person who gives it a ten!

Furthermore - any photo that has not received the minimum threshold for being ranked can get flagged in the voting pages just like the unrated photos do now to announce to voters that they might like to include it in their voting and thus ensure a ranking.

Message edited by author 2004-03-04 07:24:40.

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

03/04/2004 07:42:49 AM · #5

so i wouldn't be able to vote on all 100% if i wanted to?

03/04/2004 07:50:59 AM · #6

Originally posted by hopper:

so i wouldn't be able to vote on all 100% if i wanted to?

Maybe if there was a choice, a button for either 20% or all, but no ability to go through the thumbs and pick the 20% you want to vote on.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

03/04/2004 08:04:52 AM · #7

Originally posted by kaycee:

This is exactly the reason for my post. Thumbnails that don't particularly jump out at you aren't given the time of day. That is not to say that these images are scoring lower because they are being passed over, it could possibly be their saving grace; it goes both ways.

There are enough users here to warrant a 20% quota, which on whole would free people up to give more insightful comments - that's what we learn from, not high scores or ribbons.

hopper

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM

03/04/2004 08:14:37 AM · #8

:) yes, but i want a high score ... and a ribbon :)

(just being funny, this post doesn't express an opinion either way as far as the discussion goes ... although I'm not positive that voting on less photos will encourage people to comment more. In fact, I don't think it will. And may even decrease the number of comments because the heavy commentors will probably only comment on 20% of the photos instead of their usual 75%)

vonautsch

Nikon Coolpix B500

03/04/2004 08:16:19 AM · #9

Originally posted by orussell:

If it's the thumbnails that's the problem, then only allow the thumbnails on the photos voted on to be shown. That way the photo won't be passed over just because of the thumbnail.

kosmikkreeper

Nikon D300s

03/04/2004 08:21:33 AM · #10

Originally posted by orussell:

Originally posted by kaycee:
Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. I don't always want to vote on the first 20% I see - I enjoy scrolling through all the thumbnails and if there is a photo that is particularly good that strikes me or if there is a photo that I think I can give some helpful critique, I like to be able to choose to vote/comment on those particularly. On the other hand, sometimes a photo just doesn't speak to me at all - and I try to refrain from voting on those. They may work just fine for someone else.

This is exactly the reason for my post. Thumbnails that don't particularly jump out at you aren't given the time of day. That is not to say that these images are scoring lower because they are being passed over, it could possibly be their saving grace; it goes both ways.

There are enough users here to warrant a 20% quota, which on whole would free people up to give more insightful comments - that's what we learn from, not high scores or ribbons.

Funny, I do see your point, but I can honestly say that I have learned more from going through photos and the ideas that they generate (lighting, composition, ect...) than comments.. and I do include CC comments as well. Comments posted are generally of a personal nature and not educational. I like getting comments and reading people's views on my work but that's not my learning experince here.

DPC, IMHO, has a strong educational philosophy (and community) and by limiting the amount of photos seen during voting limits the educational experience. I know, you might say that we get to see all the photos when the voting is over but inspiration can come at anytime by simply looking at photos, so why wait an extra week to be inspired?? :-)

Yanik

garlic

Canon EOS-10D

Sigma 15-30mm f/3.5-4.5 EX Aspherical DG DF for Canon

03/04/2004 08:34:26 AM · #11

I think everyone should try to look carefully at each image the vote for and try to make some useful coments and NOT try to votes as many as they can. I dont think 20% random voting quota is necessery, rather just a reminder for people that they dont have to vote for more than 20% and they should make it after they realy have looked at the pictures and thought about it.
Another thing. IÂ´m pretty tired of coments like: "very good", "very bad", "like it" etc.

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

03/04/2004 09:43:14 AM · #12

Originally posted by kosmikkreeper:

Comments posted are generally of a personal nature and not educational. I like getting comments and reading people's views on my work but that's not my learning experince here.

I agree that most comments of late have been of a personal nature and usually quick and to the point. It wasn't always that way in my experience; when I first started here I got alot more constructive critism. Maybe I'm at the average level where people find neither good nor bad to say about my images.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

03/04/2004 09:55:52 AM · #13

Originally posted by orussell:

This doesn't make any sense to me. An attractive thumbnail might get first chance at a vote but once you vote on an image a random one pops up on the next page. It seems like this evens the playing field considerably. It would be a lot more work to vote on an attractive thumb, see an unattractive image open, close that to go back to a page of thumbs, hunt down another attractive thumb and vote on that one rather than just vote on the next one that comes up the first time around.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

03/04/2004 09:58:47 AM · #14

Originally posted by orussell:

Personally, I think the only way to standardize the voting and remove the 'search and destroy' type voting would be to completely randomize the vote. I don't see any purpose in allowing view of all the thumbnails that haven't been voted on.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

03/04/2004 10:02:03 AM · #15

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Originally posted by orussell:
This is exactly the reason for my post. Thumbnails that don't particularly jump out at you aren't given the time of day. That is not to say that these images are scoring lower because they are being passed over, it could possibly be their saving grace; it goes both ways.

This doesn't make any sense to me. An attractive thumbnail might get first chance at a vote but once you vote on an image a random one pops up on the next page. It seems like this evens the playing field considerably. It would be a lot more work to vote on an attractive thumb, see an unattractive image open, close that to go back to a page of thumbs, hunt down another attractive thumb and vote on that one rather than just vote on the next one that comes up the first time around.

Doesn't make sense to me either but that's what some people do. They put all that energy into sorting through the thumbs trying to find the ones that want to vote on.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

03/04/2004 10:07:21 AM · #16

i might ask how you know there are people doing this?

Originally posted by :

Doesn't make sense to me either but that's what some people do. They put all that energy into sorting through the thumbs trying to find the ones that want to vote on.

personally i vote on the images in the order they come up and don't much look at the thumbs, until i have finished. if i dont have time to vote on them all - i don't, but i wouldnt pick through them to find ones i like to vote on. not displaying the thumbs is a good solution. only display them after they have been voted on, or the 20% mark has been reached.

03/04/2004 10:10:12 AM · #17

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Originally posted by orussell:
With the increased number of entries the administrators should implement a 20% voting quota for all users. Each voter should be given a 20% random selection of entries to vote on only. Thumbnails for the other 80% should not be visible to voters until he/she has voted. This would lead to more thoughtful voting and increase the number of comments overall.

Does anyone else feel change is needed in the voting regime? Why? Whynot? Reasons? Suggestions?

Personally, I think the only way to standardize the voting and remove the 'search and destroy' type voting would be to completely randomize the vote. I don't see any purpose in allowing view of all the thumbnails that haven't been voted on.

Good point John. The "cast your vote" button would bring you to the first random image to vote on and thumbs would not be visible until after the images are voted on.