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03/02/2008 05:49:18 PM · #476 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
So.....this was rejected for both silverware and tilted.
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Thoughts??? |
umm...why? who rejected it? I think it's quite nice in a space-ship kind of way. |
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03/02/2008 06:23:57 PM · #477 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Does raish get a half of a ribbon or something for his supposed inspiration of the Brown Ribbon winner?
I say supposed because it does not look anything at all like his original, and methinks that it was just shoehorned in. A beautiful image, but I do not see how he could have looked at raish's shot and then gone out to shoot what he did, there is just so little similarity. I would suspect he shot a wonderful image and than looked for a brown that would fit, and that was what he came up with. |
I did alot of research through the brown ribbon winners before I chose. I looked through the .PDF file that someone made of all the brown ribbons. Also I looked through a few years of brown ribbons on my own. When I decided on Raish's shot, I went to GoogleEarth, as I have just moved to a new part of California where I know where few photos spots are and I found a pond within a few miles of my house with some other interesting landscape possibilities that I enjoy. I got there late and saw Raish's Log, but it was too late and dark to shoot. I went and looked at Raish's shot some more and two days later I made a second trip to the pond and focused on the log. I studied Raish's shot quite a bit actually. I wanted to shoot at a more downward angle like his and even contemplated climbing a tree to get the same angle but decided against it. I knew there was small grassy bits that I put in the foreground also. In the end, yeah I included all the reflections and hills which weren't in the original. I am trying to use the challenges for inspiration rather then slam the challenge topic down the voter's throat. Most of the time that means a score of about 5.3-5.9 if you look at my 2008 shots. I really didn't expect the photo to do so well, and was fine with that. I used Raish's shot as inspiration instead of replication.
I don't want to take over the Barn with a hijacking. I really enjoy the Team Suck and how supportive you are of each other. If you would like to start a thread about my shot feel free. I know you aren't alone in your feelings of why this shot won. But its more a question for the voters IMO. I too try to enter what I like and occasionally it gets noticed by the masses and once I was even honored with one of your fearless leaders blue ribbons which is proudly on my profile.
Cheers
Joe
P.S. No tonemapping was used. |
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03/02/2008 06:31:49 PM · #478 |
| Thank you for taking the time to give us your point of view, Joe. Inspiration is a fine way to approach a challenge, I think. |
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03/02/2008 08:00:37 PM · #479 |
my apologies for getting this out so very late...
not this week's OOBIE, more like a few weeks back |
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03/02/2008 08:12:29 PM · #480 |
a public service announcement to TEAM HOOVERS - because of my falling off the OOBIE wagon in the last few weeks, I will be shortly sending out ballots for the last two weeks of nominations (two sets of ballots) - Team Hoover has been slated for voting on both week's ballots, so don't think you're just seeing double in your inbox. If you are seeing double anywhere else, that is of course your own problem. :)
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03/02/2008 09:02:03 PM · #481 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I don't want to take over the Barn with a hijacking. |
Dude, you're welcome here anytime. I'm sure more than just I are familiar with, and very much enjoy your work.
For those of you who may NOT be, take a look at his stuff. Personally, I learned a lot from Joe during the last B&W side challenge.
Here's one of my favorites of his: 
It's just such a great concept!!!
Originally posted by jdannels:
I really enjoy the Team Suck and how supportive you are of each other. If you would like to start a thread about my shot feel free. I know you aren't alone in your feelings of why this shot won. But its more a question for the voters IMO. I too try to enter what I like and occasionally it gets noticed by the masses and once I was even honored with one of your fearless leaders blue ribbons which is proudly on my profile.
Cheers
Joe
P.S. No tonemapping was used. |
I guess what I learned the hard way is that the voters will interpret the challenge details how they want, and anything resembling "The Spirit of the Challenge" be damned.
When I say hard way, I mean that I learned when I got DNMCs for a challenge that the challenge details were N/A.
How can you DNMC N/A???????
So I have given up getting bothered if something wins that doesn't fit my understanding of the details......it's just frustrating. |
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03/02/2008 09:06:42 PM · #482 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
So.....this was rejected for both silverware and tilted.
[thumb]653619[/thumb]
Thoughts??? |
Originally posted by snaffles:
umm...why? who rejected it? I think it's quite nice in a space-ship kind of way. |
My wife and daughter.......8>)
It's kinda plain, and though I like the sort of two way imagery where it's hard to tell whether it's upside down or right side up, I had what I thought was a better entry for Tilted, so the spoon went.
Message edited by author 2008-03-02 21:09:22. |
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03/02/2008 09:18:49 PM · #483 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I used Raish's shot as inspiration instead of replication. |
Hi Joe, I am glad to hear that you did study the browns before going out to shoot, however you would be hard pressed to tell from your image, as beautiful as it is.
Originally posted by jdannels:
I am trying to use the challenges for inspiration rather then slam the challenge topic down the voter's throat. |
Ok, fair enough, however when the challenge states "Find a brown ribbon winner, and try to turn that entry into a entry that is excellent." that is a whole lot different then simply shooting something vaguely, in fact not even vaguely similar. It stands to reason that if you are trying to show how that brown could have been (in your opinion) better than it was in the challenge. That would include shooting within the parameters of that particular challenge.
By choosing to "use the challenges as inspiration rather than slam the challenge topic down the voter's throat" you are essentially ignoring the entire basis for having themed challenges. Your entry is not a duotone or anywhere close to that, not taken from a similar point of view, or even of a similar subject at a similar time of day etc etc.
Your photo is a wonderful, beautiful photograph, and I congratulate you on that. However it has no resemblence to the original. As someone else in this thread said earlier, something to the effect of if you took ten of the original browns including that one, and asked people to look at your photo and chose which one it was supposed to be related to......good luck!
I appreciate your polite explanation of your entry, and I wish you well in the future, however I will have to disagree with you on this one. :)
Ernie
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03/02/2008 10:18:14 PM · #484 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Hi Joe, I am glad to hear that you did study the browns before going out to shoot, however you would be hard pressed to tell from your image, as beautiful as it is.
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This was my main point, that I did study it. :) The rest is all up to the individual voter.
Originally posted by jdannels:
I am trying to use the challenges for inspiration rather then slam the challenge topic down the voter's throat. |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Ok, fair enough, however when the challenge states "Find a brown ribbon winner, and try to turn that entry into a entry that is excellent." that is a whole lot different then simply shooting something vaguely, in fact not even vaguely similar. It stands to reason that if you are trying to show how that brown could have been (in your opinion) better than it was in the challenge. That would include shooting within the parameters of that particular challenge. |
I disagree a little bit. The description doesn't say improve the entry for the challenge it was in. Otherwise photos that got the brown for DNMC would not really be improved for the challenge criteria just made a better entry in the eyes of the general voter.
Originally posted by basssman7:
By choosing to "use the challenges as inspiration rather than slam the challenge topic down the voter's throat" you are essentially ignoring the entire basis for having themed challenges. Your entry is not a duotone or anywhere close to that, not taken from a similar point of view, or even of a similar subject at a similar time of day etc etc. |
The main difference of our shots is the lens, he used a macro lens and I used a wide angle. I imagine if we were standing next to each other he would only be a few feet over to the left of me. I couldn't tell what time of day his shot was, I figured overcast conditions. I took the challenge to mean what I would do differently, I did not use composition or framing as a restraint.
Originally posted by basssman7:
Your photo is a wonderful, beautiful photograph, and I congratulate you on that. However it has no resemblence to the original. As someone else in this thread said earlier, something to the effect of if you took ten of the original browns including that one, and asked people to look at your photo and chose which one it was supposed to be related to......good luck! |
Well since I was the only one that did this photo I would take that bet. :P
Originally posted by basssman7:
I appreciate your polite explanation of your entry, and I wish you well in the future, however I will have to disagree with you on this one. :)
Ernie |
No worries, we disagree. I think the interweb will survive. :)
Joe
Thanks for the plug Jeb :)
Continue the good fight Suck members, when I order my shots by highest rated from challenges, I see many suck members at the top. :) |
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03/02/2008 10:59:08 PM · #485 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I disagree a little bit. The description doesn't say improve the entry for the challenge it was in. Otherwise photos that got the brown for DNMC would not really be improved for the challenge criteria just made a better entry in the eyes of the general voter. |
Unfortunately images seldom, if ever, get the brown because of DNMC. If you are not relating the image to the challenge it was in, then you are not relating to it at all. If you are basically saying that you can improve on something, you cannot choose to do so by a different rule set, or the original artist might have made something totally different as well.
Originally posted by jdannels:
The main difference of our shots is the lens, he used a macro lens and I used a wide angle. I imagine if we were standing next to each other he would only be a few feet over to the left of me. I couldn't tell what time of day his shot was, I figured overcast conditions. I took the challenge to mean what I would do differently, I did not use composition or framing as a restraint. |
There was nothing macro about his shot. Macro means life size on the sensor. (although many manufacturers call lenses macro when they can focus down to 1/3 life size image on the sensor) How can you claim to be even using an image as "inspiration" and then pay no attention to framing or composition? Is composition not a major element of a photo?
:) |
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03/02/2008 11:18:10 PM · #486 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
There was nothing macro about his shot. Macro means life size on the sensor. (although many manufacturers call lenses macro when they can focus down to 1/3 life size image on the sensor) How can you claim to be even using an image as "inspiration" and then pay no attention to framing or composition? Is composition not a major element of a photo?
:) |
I mean't the lens was a 105 mm macro lens, not a macro shot, that was my bad. I used a 10 mm lens. I agree framing and composition are major elements to a photo. My inspiration was of a Log in Water, if Peter hadn't taken his shot mine would not exist. We seem to be starting the forum disagreement runaround dance. So I'll let it go. :)
Joe |
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03/03/2008 12:04:28 AM · #487 |
Pets are up in the results thread. Lots of great shots in there, with personal top 5's for  noraneko,  griz210, and NikonJeb. noraneko led the scoring with a 6.9, 9th overall! |
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03/03/2008 01:00:13 AM · #488 |
I can't tell you how pleased I am to have The Princess on my profile page.
In case anyone cares, The Princess, Dottie, came from a 1967 Austin (Mini) Cooper S.........that was in the barn that I used for storage at the time.
So...."Regal" she may be, but her roots are barn cat!
Message edited by author 2008-03-03 01:01:40. |
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03/03/2008 05:42:04 AM · #489 |
Hey hey Jo, where you going with that log in your hand...
No sweat from my corner. My own interpretation of duotone (two complementary-ish colours in subtractive blending giving nearly black when combined and the whole lot on a default white background) ends up like this:
(heh)
I've had jdannels in my list of fave photogs for a while, so it's essentially a buzz to have you using my pic.
The main qualities of
are, (according to me) complementary diagonal lines in the sky and reflection, divided by the straight horizontal of the land. On their own (along with the good technique, pretty colours and recogniseable environment) they would make a cute little picture. The log breaks them and nails the whole thing to the wall. I think it's getting on for a textbook example of the use of abstract elements in construction/composition.
Needless to say all that's several universes removed from me fighting the invasive cold and encroaching darkness to try and grab a picture of an icy pond, while kneeling on unreliable duckboards etc.
No problem. I get much more upset by seeing eg a snapshot of a dog that is black in the LedZep challenge, supposedly referring to the title of a song, when the title and the song are not about dogs.
rant rant :-) |
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03/03/2008 08:23:14 AM · #490 |
Was at my in-laws yesterday with the intention of taking a portrait of their dog (who just happens to be black) for the Led Zepplin challenge.
Go figure - got there and had no battery in the camera !
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03/03/2008 10:40:01 AM · #491 |
so my dark, ugly Led Zeppelin photo gets...
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My highest score in a while. Go figure! |
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03/03/2008 10:41:34 AM · #492 |
Originally posted by raish:
I get much more upset by seeing eg a snapshot of a dog that is black in the LedZep challenge, supposedly referring to the title of a song, when the title and the song are not about dogs.
rant rant :-) |
Heroin, isn't it? Or have I mixed drugs with my metaphors? |
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03/03/2008 10:49:51 AM · #493 |
Some sort of depression, probably, was what Lady Churchill described in Winston. Otherwise I think it's an anglicised bête noir.
Ian McEwan takes the metaphor to Hell and back.
As far as criticising entrants' interpretations of the challenge, the lyrics or whatever is concerned, the smart money's on me being wrong, but cute muts don't make it.
Message edited by author 2008-03-03 10:52:27. |
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03/03/2008 10:54:19 AM · #494 |
would this have been ominous or ambiguous enough for you, peter?
Message edited by author 2008-03-03 10:56:08.
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03/03/2008 11:08:45 AM · #495 |
Oh yeah. :-)
On the money, really.
My entry's on 5.2 and it's the best of the lot. Except for Don's. And yours. And maybe . . .
Nice Peter
Message edited by author 2008-03-03 11:18:14. |
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03/03/2008 11:55:01 AM · #496 |
| Appreciate the clarification, though my guess would lead to that, one supposes. And yes, Christian, that would work just fine. |
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03/03/2008 12:13:25 PM · #497 |
Well, I always thought the Black Dog song had to do with the Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) blaming his serial killing spree on a mythical black dog that supposedly guided him. Problem is, Led Zeppelin came out with that song before the Son of Sam summer (1977, I think it was) so there goes that little theory.
I do have to say, after reading the Black Dog lyrics, that the song doesn't seem particularly deep or rife with meaning. I think the black dog is just a metaphor for a woman who dun 'im wrong. |
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03/03/2008 12:24:24 PM · #498 |
Led Zeppelin
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03/03/2008 12:54:56 PM · #499 |
pulled off a website about meanings of song lyrics:
"The title came from a nameless black dog that wandered around the Headley Grange studios during recording. It has nothing to do with the song itself."
:) |
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03/03/2008 01:04:50 PM · #500 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
Well, I always thought the Black Dog song had to do with the Son of Sam (David Berkowitz) blaming his serial killing spree on a mythical black dog that supposedly guided him. Problem is, Led Zeppelin came out with that song before the Son of Sam summer (1977, I think it was) so there goes that little theory.
I do have to say, after reading the Black Dog lyrics, that the song doesn't seem particularly deep or rife with meaning. I think the black dog is just a metaphor for a woman who dun 'im wrong. |
According to what I have read, the name Black Dog simply came from a dog that was wandering around the studio while they were recording, and has nothing to do with the song itself, which they had not come up with a name for prior to recording.
That is actually pretty funny, considering raish's position on black dogs for the challenge. LOL |
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