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07/05/2008 07:28:55 PM · #951 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Why do you categorize me as a lesser human because I believe in God and the Bible? I don't consider you a lesser human. |
I didn't say that on any level......as a matter of fact, I was VERY careful to state that the people *I* consider to be lesser would be those who judge, condemn, and discriminate against other human beings based on their beliefs and supposed edicts of laws and behaviors.
If you made that leap.....I can't help that......8>) |
You are being disingenuous if you state that you weren't referring to me as it chronologically followed my posts. You can play like you weren't referring to me but you fool no one. That's fine though. You don't have to respect me or my opinions even as I respect yours. |
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07/05/2008 07:55:33 PM · #952 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I emboldened this sentence for effect.......you say some things in the Bible are literal.
Then you go on to call me out and ask on what I base my judgement of what has merit.
I have already stated, repeatedly, that I try to follow the guidance of God as I understand his signs for me on a daily basis.......that has either been ignored or not accepted. You question *MY* interpretation of what I feel is right based on my understanding of God's will for me, readily acknowledging that I *WILL* fall short, yet you speak as though *YOUR* interpretation is a given and the one way.
Do you see the problem with that?
So what's to be taken literally, and what's to be taken conceptually?
Do you have the list?
ETA: I am NOT trying to catch you out or give you a bad time; I am genuinely trying to have you see that I am completely in the dark as to what God's will is for me. I do the best I can from what I see as the path to be the best man I can and have that be as the kind of man that God would have me be.
But He doesn't send me e-mails, he doesn't stop by for a chat over coffee.......
The best that I can do is to try to do what I understand His will is.....and that means to be a loving, understanding, giving, and decent man. General, yes, but an exceedingly tough task for this mere mortal.
I know in my heart and soul with every fiber of my being that I am NOT to judge, nor condemn, any other person that I walk this path through life with.......
That makes it hard for me to be loving and accepting of the judgemental and condemning nature of some others.
But I'm working on it..... |
Hey I fully respect that you are trying to do God's will. That is an admirable thing. I also seek to do God's will. I also do not condemn or judge any other person that I walk this path through life with. I thought I made that clear. You and I are not so far apart really. I don't condemn homosexuals as a group. That is clearly not in my hands and if it were I still would not. People are people regardless of the things that they do. God tells me through his Holy scriptures to not judge lest I be judged and with the same measure that I mete it will be measured to me again. Please everyone reading this take my words to heart. I don't condemn people because of their homosexuality. I don't dislike people because of their homosexuality. I don't feel they are less worthy human beings because they are homosexual. If you refuse to believe me then that is your problem. The only thing that I state is that homosexual behavior is not in accordance with God's will. It is not the defining characteristic that makes a person bad or good. Please stop painting me as someone who hates homosexually oriented people as I am not. As I have stated before two of my best friends throughout my life were homosexually oriented. They did not feel like I hated them and thus were my FRIENDS because I did not. Nor did I pesecute them and constantly harangue them with my beliefs but they were aware of them. They knew me for who I am which is a loving and caring person. You don't have to believe me but I have no reason to state these things if they were not true. If I truly hated homosexuals and judged them and condemned them to hell then why would I not just say so. Let's face it, I will probably never meet any of you in person so what would I have to lose? Think about it. The only thing any of you have a quarrel with me is whether homosexual conduct is wrong in the eyes of God. I didn't decide the answer to that for myself. It is written in the Bible and I believe the Bible. I don't have time to write a theological dissertation on symbolism in the Bible but suffice it to say that it's decrees on the sinfulness of homosexual behavior are not symbolic. What would they be symbolic of? |
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07/05/2008 08:01:28 PM · #953 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Hey I am no hater and I want everyone to know that I do not hate homosexuals or want to see them murdered. That is ridiculous. I long for them to have a saving knowledge of God which is aided by the scriptures contained in the Holy Bible. I want that for everyone. |
Excuse me dponlyme, I do not believe you. It's quite obvious you do not like homosexuals, atheists, agnostics and anyone else who thinks your god and all other gods are a ruse to keep the weak minded in line.
You make me sick to my stomach.
Another fine quote:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Why do you categorize me as a lesser human because I believe in God and the Bible? I don't consider you a lesser human. |
Riiiight. You don't consider us lesser humans? So what is it you consider us being then? Lost souls? Disenchanted? Godless? Go ahead, tell me what I am? |
Read the post above in response to NikonJeb. I will tell you what you are as it pertains to the conversation on this thread. You are someone who ascribes attitudes and feelings to me that do not exist in word or in deed. You assume that I hate you because you do something with which I categorize as wrong. You assume that I Judge you and condemn you to hell regardless of what I have stated. You choose not to believe what I write for no other reason than you disagree with my asessment of homosexual sex as wrong. You are being judgmental of me and ascribing all sorts of terrible motives and feelings that do not exist. |
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07/05/2008 08:05:13 PM · #954 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
not judge lest I be judged and with the same measure that I mete it will be measured to me again. |
I just wanted to thank you for being one of the very few people who use that quote in its entirety and not just the first third.
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07/05/2008 08:11:48 PM · #955 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
... be free to lead an unencumbered life of liberty." That's selfish in my book. I'm sure there are other reasons one might choose not to have children but by and large I think this is meat of the group. The sad thing is that they don't know what they are missing. |
How about those who choose to forego the "pleasures" of parenthood so as to reduce the overpopulation which is making the Earth a health hazard for your children -- that's altruistic in my book ... |
I want to state that this is definitely just my opinion of which I have no proof. It very well may be altruistic in nature. |
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07/05/2008 08:21:51 PM · #956 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
There is no accounting for the warping of what God intended marriage to be. |
Seems to me polygamous marriage was common practice in Biblical times -- how does that comport with your "one man-one woman" version?
In a civil society, you must be free to practice marriage according to your beliefs, but you must get over the idea that you can keep everyone else from having the same freedom to practice marriage according to theirs. The US Constitution does not allow the favoring of one religion's practices over another. If you require living in a Christian theocracy to feel comfortable, I suggest you move to one or start one -- someplace else. |
I have no wish to live in a Christian theocracy as this would curtail the freedom of religion that makes this country great. However as someone else eluded to there are societal norms and they are often as a result of peoples religious beliefs. I don't like all societal norms and while a great deal of the change in societal norms has been positive some changes have not. I am of the opinion that homosexuals do not constitute a religion of any sort and their views on religion are most likely as wide and varied as the general populations and as such denying homosexual marriage is not the same as denying someone their right to excercise their religion. I would also point out that religion is not a license to do as one wishes irregardless of societal norms as is evidenced in some Mormon sects which while they believe in polygamy they are still not allowed to legally pursue this form of marriage. |
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07/05/2008 09:11:57 PM · #957 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I have no wish to live in a Christian theocracy as this would curtail the freedom of religion that makes this country great. However as someone else eluded to there are societal norms and they are often as a result of peoples religious beliefs. I don't like all societal norms and while a great deal of the change in societal norms has been positive some changes have not. I am of the opinion that homosexuals do not constitute a religion of any sort and their views on religion are most likely as wide and varied as the general populations and as such denying homosexual marriage is not the same as denying someone their right to excercise their religion. I would also point out that religion is not a license to do as one wishes irregardless of societal norms as is evidenced in some Mormon sects which while they believe in polygamy they are still not allowed to legally pursue this form of marriage. |
What the HECK?
It's (mostly) the religious fundamentalists who are trying to deny homosexuals the "right" to marry. The homosexuals, for their part, are arguing for this "right" on secular, not religious, grounds. The state is denying them benefits accorded to heterosexuals solely on the basis of their (the gays') sexual orientation, and there are many who think this is unconstitutional.
Brother, you have this ALL twisted up. NOBODY has been suggesting homosexuality is a religion, sheesh...
R.
Message edited by author 2008-07-05 21:12:06.
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07/05/2008 09:40:33 PM · #958 |
Call it anything but marriage. That is between a man and a women.
I don't care if there is a legal union between people of same sex, just
call it something other than marriage. |
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07/05/2008 09:53:40 PM · #959 |
This is a quote from wikipedia, one of the only sections on the topic with references...
I'll leave it up to others to decide if the references are sound.
"The first recorded use of the word 'marriage' for the union of same-sex couples also occurs during the Roman Empire. A number of marriages are recorded to have taken place during this period. [11] In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius and Constans declared that same-sex marriage to be illegal.[12] In the year 390, the Christian emperors Valentinian II, Theodoisus and Arcadius declared homosexual sex to be illegal and those who were guilty of it were condemned to be burned alive in front of the public. [13]"
References
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07/05/2008 09:54:53 PM · #960 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
I have no wish to live in a Christian theocracy as this would curtail the freedom of religion that makes this country great. However as someone else eluded to there are societal norms and they are often as a result of peoples religious beliefs. I don't like all societal norms and while a great deal of the change in societal norms has been positive some changes have not. I am of the opinion that homosexuals do not constitute a religion of any sort and their views on religion are most likely as wide and varied as the general populations and as such denying homosexual marriage is not the same as denying someone their right to excercise their religion. I would also point out that religion is not a license to do as one wishes irregardless of societal norms as is evidenced in some Mormon sects which while they believe in polygamy they are still not allowed to legally pursue this form of marriage. |
What the HECK?
It's (mostly) the religious fundamentalists who are trying to deny homosexuals the "right" to marry. The homosexuals, for their part, are arguing for this "right" on secular, not religious, grounds. The state is denying them benefits accorded to heterosexuals solely on the basis of their (the gays') sexual orientation, and there are many who think this is unconstitutional.
Brother, you have this ALL twisted up. NOBODY has been suggesting homosexuality is a religion, sheesh...
R. |
Did you read what I was replying to? I agree with you that gays are not representing themselves as a religious faction. That was the implication of the person I was replying to. |
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07/05/2008 10:38:56 PM · #961 |
Originally posted by bcoble:
Call it anything but marriage. That is between a man and a women.
I don't care if there is a legal union between people of same sex, just
call it something other than marriage. |
Why? |
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07/05/2008 11:06:41 PM · #962 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
You are being disingenuous if you state that you weren't referring to me as it chronologically followed my posts. You can play like you weren't referring to me but you fool no one. That's fine though. You don't have to respect me or my opinions even as I respect yours. |
Let me tell you something.......NEVER tell me what I said in direct contradiction to my stating it.
This really isn't about you.
And you can bet your last dollar I won't respect you as long as you pull that shit on me.....and you lost what respect I had.
What on earth makes you think you rent enough space in my life that I'd want to try and "fool" you?
I actually thought that perhaps you had some sense and ability to reason to a degree.
But you've proven yourself, in spades to me, to be just another narrow-minded religious wack-job with that condescending attitude and self-righteousness.
I hope to Hell you get what you think you're going to, because as long as you continue to alienate the people you live with here, it's gonna be a cold, lonely existence.
I thought I'd actually be able to keep my cool this trip through, but one of you Bible-thumping, clueless, naive, judgemental, narrow-minded pinheads went and pissed me off again.
How on earth do you people reconcile your despicable treatment of other people?
You have no guarantee that you're going to get the divine reward.....you just have your faith, and if that obsolete, arcane set of rules and edicts turns out to be wrong, then you had no worth at all.
I just do NOT understand how you people who swear by all things Christian and Godly that you're living the way that you're supposed to, then turn around and become some of the most reprehensible human beings that ever walked the earth.
So many of you Christians missed the point entirely, it wasn't about him, it was what he was trying to TEACH.........he would be MORTIFIED at the things done in his name and the deification of him.
All he wanted was for us to be good to each other; loving, kind, understanding, accepting.......and you people f*cked it all up.
I want *NO* parts of what you stand for!!!
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07/05/2008 11:08:31 PM · #963 |
Originally posted by bcoble:
Call it anything but marriage. That is between a man and a women.
I don't care if there is a legal union between people of same sex, just
call it something other than marriage. |
Originally posted by Louis:
Why? |
Because it doesn't suit his definition and beliefs, therefore it cannot be so.
There is *NO* good reason.
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07/05/2008 11:15:48 PM · #964 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Read the post above in response to NikonJeb. I will tell you what you are as it pertains to the conversation on this thread. You are someone who ascribes attitudes and feelings to me that do not exist in word or in deed. You assume that I hate you because you do something with which I categorize as wrong. You assume that I Judge you and condemn you to hell regardless of what I have stated. You choose not to believe what I write for no other reason than you disagree with my asessment of homosexual sex as wrong. You are being judgmental of me and ascribing all sorts of terrible motives and feelings that do not exist. |
Pretty much like you ascribe to anyone who doesn't see it your way.
Different is not wrong, it's just different.
But you're one of those "convinced" people who knows the "One True Way" regardless of anything to the contrary, whether it's beliefs, or even cold hard facts.
I don't hate you, and I'm sure that the people here who have been struggling to have intelligent discourse with you don't expend the effort to hate you, either.
I hate that there are too many close-minded people like you that make life miserable for other people because of their beliefs, yet you get paranoid and vicious when the same thing is done to you, or worse, how you lash out at the merest PERCEPTION that chips away at the ludicrousness of same.
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07/05/2008 11:22:08 PM · #965 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by bcoble:
Call it anything but marriage. That is between a man and a women.
I don't care if there is a legal union between people of same sex, just
call it something other than marriage. |
Originally posted by Louis:
Why? |
Because it doesn't suit his definition and beliefs, therefore it cannot be so.
There is *NO* good reason. |
Most likely, he's basing the belief on the idea that "Marriage" is a sacrament to the Catholic Church. To many, Marriage cannot be granted by the state -- only the church, however, a union can be granted by the state.
These are the same beliefs which should cause a person to believe that the issuance of Marriage Licenses should belong to the church, not the state.
Call it what you will -- the underlying problem is that unions should carry with them equal rights to the traditional heterosexual marriage and therefore, should allow any two people to be joined in a civil union to receive benefits similar to the traditional "marriage".
Why does the name matter -- it's the recognition and resulting status which stem from the recognition which alter those persons lives... |
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07/05/2008 11:26:24 PM · #966 |
Originally posted by mjwood0:
Most likely, he's basing the belief on the idea that "Marriage" is a sacrament to the Catholic Church. To many, Marriage cannot be granted by the state -- only the church, however, a union can be granted by the state. |
Hmm....that'd be the same Catholic church that tortured, maimed, and killed people in the name of God for over 700 years, right?
The world's largest, most established, and long-lived terrorist organization?
Originally posted by mjwood0:
Why does the name matter -- it's the recognition and resulting status which stem from the recognition which alter those persons lives... |
Exactly!
I want my gay friends who make the ultimate commitment to each other to be able to do so just like my wife and I did.......and be married.
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07/05/2008 11:27:05 PM · #967 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
You are being disingenuous if you state that you weren't referring to me as it chronologically followed my posts. You can play like you weren't referring to me but you fool no one. That's fine though. You don't have to respect me or my opinions even as I respect yours. |
Let me tell you something.......NEVER tell me what I said in direct contradiction to my stating it.
This really isn't about you.
And you can bet your last dollar I won't respect you as long as you pull that shit on me.....and you lost what respect I had.
What on earth makes you think you rent enough space in my life that I'd want to try and "fool" you?
I actually thought that perhaps you had some sense and ability to reason to a degree.
But you've proven yourself, in spades to me, to be just another narrow-minded religious wack-job with that condescending attitude and self-righteousness.
I hope to Hell you get what you think you're going to, because as long as you continue to alienate the people you live with here, it's gonna be a cold, lonely existence.
I thought I'd actually be able to keep my cool this trip through, but one of you Bible-thumping, clueless, naive, judgemental, narrow-minded pinheads went and pissed me off again.
How on earth do you people reconcile your despicable treatment of other people?
You have no guarantee that you're going to get the divine reward.....you just have your faith, and if that obsolete, arcane set of rules and edicts turns out to be wrong, then you had no worth at all.
I just do NOT understand how you people who swear by all things Christian and Godly that you're living the way that you're supposed to, then turn around and become some of the most reprehensible human beings that ever walked the earth.
So many of you Christians missed the point entirely, it wasn't about him, it was what he was trying to TEACH.........he would be MORTIFIED at the things done in his name and the deification of him.
All he wanted was for us to be good to each other; loving, kind, understanding, accepting.......and you people f*cked it all up.
I want *NO* parts of what you stand for!!! |
It's one thing to disagree with a person and I can't blame you for your disagreement -- especially seeing how this has unfolded.
However, I would caution that attacking a person instead of his point of view really does nothing to further any cause.
Clearly your response was provoked, but lets leave bashing all Christians for a different venue... |
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07/05/2008 11:58:35 PM · #968 |
Originally posted by mjwood0:
Clearly your response was provoked, but lets leave bashing all Christians for a different venue... |
This is exactly what I mean.....I said MANY, not all.
If you're going to bust my stones, be accurate.
I said this: "I thought I'd actually be able to keep my cool this trip through, but one of you Bible-thumping, clueless, naive, judgemental, narrow-minded pinheads went and pissed me off again."
If you're not a Bible-thumping, clueless, naive, judgemental, narrow-minded pinhead, then it doesn't apply to you.
If you tell me I'm wrong and immoral because I don't share your beliefs, then I don't have much use for you.
I feel that just because we believe different things that we are different......neither is necessarily wrong. What the friggin' fundamentalists seem to forget is that they might not be right, either.
Unfortunately, I have met all too many Christians who act this way.
I am a Unitarian Universalist, and a child of God.
I *DON'T* go around telling people that they're wrong and immoral just because they don't believe and understand the same way I do.
In my experience, and my exposure to many sects and people who are ostensibly "Good Christians", too many do.
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07/06/2008 12:16:28 AM · #969 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by dponlyme:
You are being disingenuous if you state that you weren't referring to me as it chronologically followed my posts. You can play like you weren't referring to me but you fool no one. That's fine though. You don't have to respect me or my opinions even as I respect yours. |
Let me tell you something.......NEVER tell me what I said in direct contradiction to my stating it.
This really isn't about you.
And you can bet your last dollar I won't respect you as long as you pull that shit on me.....and you lost what respect I had.
What on earth makes you think you rent enough space in my life that I'd want to try and "fool" you?
I actually thought that perhaps you had some sense and ability to reason to a degree.
But you've proven yourself, in spades to me, to be just another narrow-minded religious wack-job with that condescending attitude and self-righteousness.
I hope to Hell you get what you think you're going to, because as long as you continue to alienate the people you live with here, it's gonna be a cold, lonely existence.
I thought I'd actually be able to keep my cool this trip through, but one of you Bible-thumping, clueless, naive, judgemental, narrow-minded pinheads went and pissed me off again.
How on earth do you people reconcile your despicable treatment of other people?
You have no guarantee that you're going to get the divine reward.....you just have your faith, and if that obsolete, arcane set of rules and edicts turns out to be wrong, then you had no worth at all.
I just do NOT understand how you people who swear by all things Christian and Godly that you're living the way that you're supposed to, then turn around and become some of the most reprehensible human beings that ever walked the earth.
So many of you Christians missed the point entirely, it wasn't about him, it was what he was trying to TEACH.........he would be MORTIFIED at the things done in his name and the deification of him.
All he wanted was for us to be good to each other; loving, kind, understanding, accepting.......and you people f*cked it all up.
I want *NO* parts of what you stand for!!! |
Hmmmm the real NikonJeb stands up: 'you people' is something that reminds me of racist and prejudiced talk- nice touch. Could it be that because I don't believe as you do that you are villifying me and in fact most of Christianity? What makes you so sure that you are right anyway? You have no throttle hold on the truth. I have stated my beliefs as based on my belief in the Bible and the Christian God. You are the one being condescending in portending to know the absolute truth in this matter based on nothing but your own assessment of fairness. You are the one who continues to ascribe personal feelings into this discussion. You are the one who refers to people as 'lesser humans' 'wack jobs' 'pinheads'. I hesitate to think what you might be saying if you believed in marriage between a man and a woman as sacred. What vile words would poor forth from your mouth then. You would not be a good advocate for a position on either side of this discussion. You obviously have a problem with anger. Maybe you should seek counseling. Maybe you should pray to the God that you have made up in your head that agrees with all of your opinions. BTW I have complete assurance of my salvation because I believe the Bible when it says that I do. I also have lost all respect for you so it is mutual. |
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07/06/2008 12:23:16 AM · #970 |
Originally posted by pjangel:
To the Bible Quoters...
I'm sure that you all follow these laws also... right???
None of you have had haircuts or men, shaved your beards. And I'm sure that non of you ever wear any type of clothing that has any kind of mixed material... cotton/polyester?
Leviticus 19:19
‘You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.
Leviticus 19:27
You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.
If you're going to follow the book of fiction known as the Bible, then follow all of it! |
Still curious as to why all of the Christians here who follow the Bible so closely still haven't responded as to why they don't abide by all of the teachings in this fictional novel?? |
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07/06/2008 12:47:56 AM · #971 |
Originally posted by pjangel:
Originally posted by pjangel:
To the Bible Quoters...
I'm sure that you all follow these laws also... right???
None of you have had haircuts or men, shaved your beards. And I'm sure that non of you ever wear any type of clothing that has any kind of mixed material... cotton/polyester?
Leviticus 19:19
‘You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.
Leviticus 19:27
You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.
If you're going to follow the book of fiction known as the Bible, then follow all of it! |
I would answer your question but it is not an answer that you want. You seek only to denigrate that which I believe in. I will not assist you. I feel it is in very poor taste to intentionally provoke Christians by referring to the Holy Bible as a fictional novel.
Still curious as to why all of the Christians here who follow the Bible so closely still haven't responded as to why they don't abide by all of the teachings in this fictional novel?? |
I'm still curious as to why you wish to provoke Christians by referring to the Holy Bible as a fictional novel? You could state that you don't have belief in the Bible or just the Bibles accuracy or that you don't agree with it's interpretation and that would have been civil but you choose to attack all of Christianity in what I would consider to be a condescending way. You are so sure that you are right based on your own opinions and asessments... that is known as being self-righteous.
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07/06/2008 12:50:50 AM · #972 |
| Even better... if it's not fiction and it's your Biblical law then why not answer the questions I've asked?? |
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07/06/2008 12:53:07 AM · #973 |
Originally posted by pjangel:
Even better... if it's not fiction and it's your Biblical law then why not answer the questions I've asked?? |
Answer my question and I'll answer yours. |
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07/06/2008 12:55:50 AM · #974 |
| Why do you continue to provoke gays and lesbians based on your religious beliefs? |
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07/06/2008 01:17:22 AM · #975 |
Originally posted by pjangel:
Why do you continue to provoke gays and lesbians based on your religious beliefs? |
It is not my intent to provoke gays and lesbians and I would apologize if that was the misinterpretation. It was my intent to express the reasons why I oppose Gay marriage. You may not agree with me and that is your right. I think I have pointed out quite often that I have no animosity towards homosexuals but because of my religious views I have experienced great animosity from those who do not hold them.
I will now answer your question in regards to the Bible and it's levitical laws:
There are three types of law in the Old Testament:
1. The moral law, like the Ten Commandments. This stands for all time and should be obeyed by everyone.
2. The cultural laws intended to govern that specific society in that specific time. These no longer apply to modern-day Christians. An example would be the laws relating to the judicial system and punishment for offenses. We currently all live in a different country with a different legal system, and we should honor the laws of our land, provided they do not conflict with a moral law.
3. The ritual law, intended to point towards the coming Messiah. Since Jesus has come, these are no longer needed. An example of this type of law is the animal sacrifices for the temporary remission of sins. Now that Jesus has made a permanent sacrifice for sins, the temporary is no longer needed.
As Christians saved by grace, we are not bound by law to obey God's law, but we have a higher law of love. In response to God's great love for us, we show our love to Him by doing our best to live in a way that pleases Him, with faith following the lead of His Holy Spirit.
I am not a slave bound in chains being forced to work the will of my master at the crack of a whip--that was the law, swift to condemn those who could not live up to its demands, which was everybody.
Now I am a free person, a new creation in Christ, and I am in covenant relationship with Him as a wife is in covenant relationship with her husband.
Your even asking the question shows that you do not have the slightest grasp of the message that the Bible has for those who study it. The message is the good news that we can be free from a life of slavery to sin if we have faith in Jesus' atonement for those sins and submit ourselves to his Holy Spirit.
I'll expect no backlash from this as I want to make clear that I am not proselytizing but merely answering a question posed to me.
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