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02/24/2004 11:45:05 PM · #1
Alright, maybe I'm young and too inexperienced in today's word, but I really don't get why so many people care if homosexuals get married. It doesn't affect anyone else, furthermore, what harm is it?

This sounds like a giant step backwards in civilation to me. If stopping gay marriages passes, then it wouldn't be implausible to me that interracial marriages would be next. Many people disagree with this relationship bond and if discrimination on the line of sexual orientation is accepted, what difference is the discrimination on the line of race?

One could argue that race is not a choice whereas being gay is, but i implore that person to answer the question: why would someone choose a lifestyle that results in being shunned, and terrorized?

Furthermore, To amend the backbone of the law with the goal of singling out and discrimination against a group of Americans should spark alarm in the most conservative individual. If we ammend the constitution, i believe that we should amend to into stopping all public officials from receiving ANY funds from ANY source other than the government once they enter office, or at the very least only allowing people that protect the liberty of ALL it's citizens to serve in major public office.

In my opinion, American's should live and let live. But then again, maybe i'm too young.

What do you guys think?

Edited for grammer and spelling.

Message edited by author 2004-02-24 23:57:49.
02/24/2004 11:58:29 PM · #2
Personally, I view this as an issue of the term marriage being mis-used. What I think is fueling the opposition is that people feel changes in civil 'marriages' affect their definition of religious marriages. Personally, I think anything done outside of a religion sould be called a civil union. The problem stems from the fact that clergy has being given the right to administer civil unions and officer of the court have been given the right to administer marriage.

In my view, marriage is a religious institution, a sacrement in most cases. A court does not have the authority to grant a marriage. If someone wants to be married, they have to go through a religion.

That being said, if you want the state to recognize that marriage, you must go through the court and file for a civil union. That will grant you all the rights as prescribed by law. And that applies to dual- or same-sex couples.

That is the way it is done in many countries. I was married in Peru. The priest did not have the authority to grant a legal union. All he did, and could do, was administer the sacrament of marriage. Afterwards, my wife and I went to a court and got a civil union. That union is recognized world wide.

End result: The entire issue of same sex marriages is out of the hands of government or legislation. It is an issue each religion must decide for themselves. Some religions may not grant matrimony to inter-faith couples, others won't grant matrimony to same sex couples. That is their perogative. If a religion wants to grant same sex marriages, more power to them. Legally, however, the state should only united people by civil unions. And those can be done between any two people, regardless of sex, race, or religion. And each civil union is as legally abiding as any other.

EDIT: Based on the above, I feel that a constitutional ammendment defining marriage is just as ridiculous as one defining baptism.

Message edited by author 2004-02-25 00:03:09.
02/25/2004 12:10:13 AM · #3
Personally, I don't care and I don't see what the big deal is. But some people don't like it because the Holy Bible says it's wrong.

On a different note...I do find it interesting that thousands of years of human evolution would produce homosexuality. It does, after all, interfere with human procreation. Hmmm...maybe its nature's solution to human overpopulation? Thats my scientific view.

I'm not a scientist and I'm getting a head ache thinking about it : )
02/25/2004 12:15:03 AM · #4
from my perspective, gay marriage is a good thing.
the earth is over populated - gay people dont have kids. simple.

not to mention w/ all the insanity going on in the world right now, do we accually have the time/resources to pursue something as rediculous as this?
02/25/2004 12:18:56 AM · #5
Originally posted by MadMordegon:


not to mention w/ all the insanity going on in the world right now, do we accually have the time/resources to pursue something as rediculous as this?


I seldom agree with you, but I do agree with you there.

We would probably not agree on the insanity...but lets leave it at that. : )
02/25/2004 12:24:24 AM · #6
One should be allowed to marry his or her dog if one so chooses (assuming of course that the dog is cool with it).

Message edited by author 2004-02-25 00:24:41.
02/25/2004 12:25:44 AM · #7
woah riggs.. you feeling ok?
02/25/2004 12:30:28 AM · #8
I dont see anything wrong with 2 people getting married, I also dont care what their sexual preferance is.

The church should allow it since their priests have sex with little boys....ok.. ok I know it does not happen to everyone, but it happens more than we are told about in the news media

its the truth so dont yell at me.....

James
02/25/2004 12:32:54 AM · #9
I predict that the big winners will be divorce lawyers.
02/25/2004 12:49:41 AM · #10
They're already big winners.

Originally posted by rcrawford:

I predict that the big winners will be divorce lawyers.
02/25/2004 12:52:10 AM · #11
here's my problem...it's against the law right now for gay marriages to be part of the legal system. it's in the constitution. so you have these judges basically denying their responsibility to uphold the constitution and allowing gay marriage. the fact is that right now 2/3 of americans do not support gay marriage, so my question would be what's the big fuss about the big fuss?
02/25/2004 12:53:40 AM · #12
I was going to go downtown here in San Francisco and take shots of the protesters for the Conflict challenge but decided not to.
02/25/2004 12:55:25 AM · #13
separation of church & state... does this mean anything anymore? did it ever?

This is about civil rights nothing else. Give up a small piece then you might as well give it all up. If they come for gays today, sooner or later, they come for you.

Love is love no matter if you're gay or not. Screw the gov't for even trying to dictate our what we can & cannot do with our own private lives!

Go S.F! I think all gay couples should travel there & get married & have marriage certificates issued to them!
02/25/2004 01:14:30 AM · #14
Originally posted by achiral:

here's my problem...it's against the law right now for gay marriages to be part of the legal system. it's in the constitution. so you have these judges basically denying their responsibility to uphold the constitution and allowing gay marriage. the fact is that right now 2/3 of americans do not support gay marriage, so my question would be what's the big fuss about the big fuss?

And these judges and mayors are breaking the law (over 3000 times). WHy are they not being arrested, fined and jailed?
The only thing this is going to do is open a gigantic can of worms. Lets have civil union, sure, whatever floats your boat. In todays "feel good, I want to be selfish, gimme what is mine, your opinion does not count because it is not PC, society" go ahead. I am packing up my crap, buying a cabin in the mountains and having my food delivered by chopper, so I can get away from it.
what is next. "My civil rights (and marriage is a priviledge, by the way,. Just like driving. "You can have a license to drive a car, but that does not mean you can drive a big rig, just because you want to. It's a priviledge." -Ken Sasso) are being impeded upon because I want to marry this guy, this girl, and screw this shih tzu while walking down the street with an AMerican flag poking out my butthole. I want it legal, cuz it is what I want, and that is marriage to me." Come on people, not everything can be "legal" because a small selfish minority wants it. Vote on it! It won't pass!
02/25/2004 01:32:14 AM · #15
QUITE A VULGAR STATEMENT...Do I detect some homophobia here?

Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

Originally posted by achiral:

here's my problem...it's against the law right now for gay marriages to be part of the legal system. it's in the constitution. so you have these judges basically denying their responsibility to uphold the constitution and allowing gay marriage. the fact is that right now 2/3 of americans do not support gay marriage, so my question would be what's the big fuss about the big fuss?

And these judges and mayors are breaking the law (over 3000 times). WHy are they not being arrested, fined and jailed?
The only thing this is going to do is open a gigantic can of worms. Lets have civil union, sure, whatever floats your boat. In todays "feel good, I want to be selfish, gimme what is mine, your opinion does not count because it is not PC, society" go ahead. I am packing up my crap, buying a cabin in the mountains and having my food delivered by chopper, so I can get away from it.
what is next. "My civil rights (and marriage is a priviledge, by the way,. Just like driving. "You can have a license to drive a car, but that does not mean you can drive a big rig, just because you want to. It's a priviledge." -Ken Sasso) are being impeded upon because I want to marry this guy, this girl, and screw this shih tzu while walking down the street with an AMerican flag poking out my butthole. I want it legal, cuz it is what I want, and that is marriage to me." Come on people, not everything can be "legal" because a small selfish minority wants it. Vote on it! It won't pass!
02/25/2004 01:38:45 AM · #16
QUITE A VULGAR STATEMENT...Do I detect some homophobia here?[quote=Olyuzi]
Of course this is exactly the first thing that I KNEW would be said, and NO! Being a male and an RN, I am always presumed gay, considering I have never met a gay MALE nurse yet! (lots of lesbians though). I work with them, I am friends with them, and I respect them!
In what way is it vulgar? explain...
becuase I am not being PC about it? becuase I stated my opinion and because it makes me feel good, and I am a white male heterosexual, so I am the wrongdoer of all man/woman kind? It is only BAD if it is not the "in thing" right now?
OOooooooooohhhhh....bad white straight guy!! If every other little pet project of these United States of Bow down and kiss everyones butt about their feelings needs recognition, then so does S.H.I.T.W.I.P.E.S. (Straight, Heterosexual, Insensitive Turds Without Interesting Personal ExperienceS). (C; heehee

Message edited by author 2004-02-25 01:49:21.
02/25/2004 01:44:21 AM · #17
well i am obviously in the minority here (of those who are speaking anyhow). but i think i agree with that same-sex marriages is wrong. It is wrong because a marriage is a religious act, a religious act which requires a female and male to come together.

a same sex union.. well, though i may not agree, i don't think it is my place to say wether someone can or can't do it.

Message edited by author 2004-02-25 01:51:21.
02/25/2004 01:46:02 AM · #18
marriage has not allways been a religious act, and is not in many cultures.
02/25/2004 01:49:12 AM · #19
It's the language that you used and the imagery associated with it. In a way, you defiled the flag. You are entitled to your opinion as is the next man/woman and that I can respect but not in the manner you just stated.

Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

QUITE A VULGAR STATEMENT...Do I detect some homophobia here?[quote=Olyuzi]
Of course this is exactly the first thing that I KNEW would be said, and NO! Being a male and an RN, I am always presumed gay, considering I have never met a gay MALE nurse yet! (lots of lesbians though). I work with them, I am friends with them, and I respect them!
In what way is it vulgar? explain...
becuase I am not being PC about it? becuase I stated my opinion and because it makes me feel good, and I am a white male heterosexual, so I am the wrongdoer of all man/woman kind? It is only BAD if it is not the "in thing" right now?
02/25/2004 01:52:24 AM · #20
The flag never touched the ground or anything else. and yes, it is suppose to evoke imagery.
by the the way, I was editing some thoughts while these popped up.
and it is MY flag, and would never defile it physically...only in your mind.
02/25/2004 01:59:31 AM · #21
Yes, and you did defile the American flag in my mind...you put that image there, not me.

Originally posted by dacrazyrn:

The flag never touched the ground or anything else. and yes, it is suppose to evoke imagery.
by the the way, I was editing some thoughts while these popped up.
and it is MY flag, and would never defile it physically...only in your mind.
02/25/2004 03:07:35 AM · #22
With the success rate of heterosexual marraige, I can't see much threat to the institution by opening it up to the gay and lesbian community!
02/25/2004 03:59:36 AM · #23
The current arguement at the government level is not about the religious aspect, it's about the finicial and civil rights aspect. There are alot of tax breaks/fiscal advantages to being married. Is it just to impose rectrictions on a miniority simply because many american's disagree?

I'm sure we can find several points in american history where the minority was being abused and it took strong leadership to protect them despite the mass opinion of the public. Why should this be an exception? Does this minority not deserve the same rights as you?
02/25/2004 06:44:20 AM · #24
I'm sure people wouldn't feel this way if one day, they were told they couldn't marry the person they loved because soeciety considers it wrong or against religion.

Right now, their are scores of people everywhere who's commitments to the people they love are not being recognized. They can't open a bank account together; family can override what is put in a will from one to the other, and of course the list goes on... Never mind not being able to have a simple public acknowledgement of their commitment to one another in a recognized way (like in their own church).

I've always felt that its fundamentally wrong to deny these people the benefits and choice of marriage that everyone else takes for granted.

Any argument against always seems based in fear and homophobia.

Originally posted by leaf:

well i am obviously in the minority here (of those who are speaking anyhow). but i think i agree with that same-sex marriages is wrong. It is wrong because a marriage is a religious act, a religious act which requires a female and male to come together.

a same sex union.. well, though i may not agree, i don't think it is my place to say wether someone can or can't do it.
02/25/2004 06:51:47 AM · #25
It's very refreshing to hear the (generally) supportive attitude towards gay marriage here. It really means a lot to me... I've been aggrivated all day since our President decided to interfere with my life in such a direct fashion by endorsing the FMA. Anyone here supporting the FMA should know that you're telling *me* that my loving *eight year* un-marriage with my wonderful partner means absolutely nothing, and that we will always be second class citizens, without any of the legal protections that we will need as we grow old together.

Geocide is right. The issue is about legal status, and in my opinion, respect. If your church doesn't want to marry me, so be it! But do we really need to amend the very constitution that this country was founded on to specifically deny me the right to marry in word as in deed?

This is not a country of majority rule. This is a country where we try to protect the right of the disenfranchised, as it always has been. The FMA feels suspiciously like a republican ploy to divide the nation, in an attempt to obscure George's horrid record in the face of his dropping popularity. What easier way to do this than whip up fear? Marriage will crumble! It's an irreplacable institution! If that's so true, why are the only people trying to destroy families the conservatives, and gays are the ones trying to create them? Why is divorce legal and common? Why do heterosexually run households disintegrate around us all the time? Stop blaming me!

Tell me again why I can't marry.
Tell me again why it's wrong for me to live my life.

Is it anything more than prejudice? Don't try to pin this one on God either, the Bible says a lot of freaky stuff about what's right and what's wrong, and you're breaking a lot of the rules right now.

Come on, I dare you.

- Mousie, putting a human face on homosexuality since 1971
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