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 05/14/2007 10:03:17 PM · #801
Originally posted by escapetooz:
oh woops, did a drudge up a dead thread?

This thread has been on again/off again since 2004. I say drag it up and out as often as possible.
 05/15/2007 11:54:47 AM · #802
I wanna get married...
 05/15/2007 06:05:52 PM · #803
Originally posted by bdenny:
I wanna get married...


Florida... oh well. You're SOL.

So glad I left... for all sorts of reasons.
 05/15/2007 06:19:19 PM · #804
in the uk it's called civil partnership
 05/16/2007 10:10:04 AM · #805
Originally posted by richard42:
in the uk it's called civil partnership


do they have the same exact rights with a different name or are they different?

some places here have civil unions but they are not the same and don't grant the same rights as marriage, only some.
 05/16/2007 11:25:27 AM · #806
the same in the uk i think?

linky
 05/16/2007 12:29:32 PM · #807
This is what currently exist in Canada Same sex marriage in Canada.

Ray
 05/16/2007 12:31:08 PM · #808
wow.. i've never been so speechless in my entire life.. i was raised in a household where race, religion, sexual preference ect. doesn't matter.. it doesn't matter if you are black or gay or an athiest.. it matters if you are a good person.. an honest person.. why would i chose to like one person just because they are white and straight like me yet hate (and many of you are showing hatred) a white gay man or a black straight woman.. and yes i do believe that all prejudices are the one in the same.. you can't hate someone just because of how they look or what they believe or if they don't prefer to live the same lifestyle as you.. and why ever would you want to take away their chances at happiness that you are granted? if two gay people want to get married why is that such a problem to you? it doesn't affect you directly.. you still have your hetero marriage and your "religious" values.. this whole thing is really no better than people killing for their God.. and yes i am comparing the two.. it's absolutely obsurd that you would come on here and berate someone for a lifestyle that they didn't just wake up one day and decide upon when no one comes in here and critizes you for being whatever it is that makes you different that the "norm" -whatever that may be

and how dare you say that a gay person would make an unfit parent.. there are many many straight parents that are so unfit their kids are taken away.. someones sexual orientation means nothing as to how much they are going to love their children and how well they will take care of them..

i've never been so appauled and so dissapointed by a group of people then the ones so eager to bash people here.. wow..

so perhaps i was not as speechless as i first thought.. and please don't mind the misspellings..
 05/16/2007 12:34:31 PM · #809
^^^^^^^^^^^^ BRAVO.
 05/16/2007 01:33:19 PM · #810
05/16/2007 01:41:23 PM · #811
you should see what else gets said around here.
 05/16/2007 03:27:19 PM · #812
Originally posted by bdenny:


what he said :)
 05/16/2007 05:19:40 PM · #813
Ugh but goodness kaelva (Kathryn)... see that point actually makes SENSE. And that apparently isn't what a lot of people are about.

Exampled with some common arguements I've read (not neccessarily here, but then again I haven't gone through it all)

1. The "Sanctity of Marriage"

I mean OBVIOUSLY letting gays get married RUINS the "sanctity of marriage", and we have to keep it sacred. Better those gay men get a mail order bride, cheat on her, marry a second mail order bride in vegas, beat them both, and then divorce them and then consent for his underage daughter to get married. I mean all of THOSE things don't ruin the sancticty of marriage do they?

If a person's marriage depends on what everyone else is doing with their marriages then marriage hasn't had any "sanctity" ever. But realizing that actually makes sense.

2. The Slippery Slope.

"If we let gays get married whats to keep people from wanting to marry a snake!?". I wouldn't think this one NEEDS explaining but here I go. Yes... a snake sure can sign a marriage license. The legalities aside this is atrocious in itself to compare a gay couple to bestiality.

I honestly don't CARE if somoene wants to marry their snake. I'd have a real HOOT watching them try to get it to be reciprocal.

3. It's Against My Religion

Ok, that's fine with me. Don't enter into gay wedlock. Exactly what legal standing does this have?

4. "I'm Ok with it, just don't CALL it marriage."

A horse by any other name is still a horse. Unless it's not, like a civil union, which would be like the gimp pony they take out to pasture. I see civil unions a lot like the whole "separate but equal" thing. If you don't know the history, they ruled that in fact separate was not equal. I don't care what marriage has been since "the dawn of time", society is an ever changing thing. Just because something always has been one way does not make it a valid argument. Changes can and will happen otherwise we'd still be nomads running around chasing buffalos.
 05/17/2007 06:30:26 PM · #814
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 07/04/2007 01:43:54 PM · #815
An interesting editorial in the Toronto Star about the recent decision by Anglican bishops not to "bless" same-sex marriage within the church. As the writer puts it, "Warships and hamsters can be blessed, but not a loving pair of women or men."

The writer also cites online websites that suggest that recent tornadoes in Manitoba, where the vote took place, were caused by an angry and vengeful god. In their rush to judgement, despite their own messiah's admonition against judgement, online religious pundits equated same-sex unions with "unrepentant and defiant sin", called them "heretical" behaviours, suggesting that blessings were tantamount to "distorted evil" intent on "brainwashing" church members with "this nonsense".

Compassion, love of others, lifting the downtrodden to the company of the masses, protecting their brothers and sisters in humanity, communing with everyone regardless of their behaviour but out of love of the individual - these are not the tenets of religion, but the antonymous tenets of religion.
 08/14/2007 09:06:02 PM · #816
Just a little bump from a straight guy who once again had a terrific time at the recent Gay Pride festival here in Harrisburg, Pa.

The festival-goers were again cheerful, pleasant, well behaved, and hospitable, while the street preachers and other guardians of our morality went after some of the Silent Witnesses //www.silentwitnesspa.org/ , breaking umbrellas, generally harassing them, and in one case, STONING an old man merely because he is a member of a church that has a welcoming congregation!

It's days like that when I'm ashamed to be a member of what these people consider themselves to be......NORMAL, straight society.

I know I'm *not* like them.......the funny thing is about these people who invoke God's name is that my God tells me to love and have compassion for my fellow man while I walk this earth and leave the judgments to Him.

As a 52 year old man, I'm from a generation that professed to love one another.....I do not, and never will, understand why people feel like they have any right to tell anyone how to live, or love, and to judge them.

Ignorance, fear, and hate are terrible things.
 08/14/2007 10:26:41 PM · #817
I totally agree. I just did a speech on legalizing same sex marriages and the class almost shit their pants. They tried to persuade me not to do it because we were supposed to do a speech that will lure in the audience. I told them if they didnt like what I had to say then they didnt have to listen.

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

As a 52 year old man, I'm from a generation that professed to love one another.....I do not, and never will, understand why people feel like they have any right to tell anyone how to live, or love, and to judge them.

Ignorance, fear, and hate are terrible things.
08/14/2007 10:56:48 PM · #818
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I just did a speech on legalizing same sex marriages ...

Too bad you didn't have someone in the class do a speech on a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman to set you straight. :)

Vote Mike Huckabee for President in 2008. :D
 08/14/2007 11:23:35 PM · #819
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I just did a speech on legalizing same sex marriages ...

Too bad you didn't have someone in the class do a speech on a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman to set you straight. :)


Not being all that familiar with the laws of the USA I have to ask... wasn't that amendment defeated in both houses of Congress"... and I must add "Why are people so opposed to this... does it really affect them?, and if so... HOW?

Ray
 08/14/2007 11:45:00 PM · #820
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I just did a speech on legalizing same sex marriages ...

Too bad you didn't have someone in the class do a speech on a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman to set you straight. :)

Congratulations on living in the time of the presidency of the only Western leader in the modern era to attempt to introduce a constitutional amendment to curtail rights, rather than expand them. How proud you must be.
 08/14/2007 11:49:01 PM · #821
:D
 08/15/2007 01:05:57 AM · #822
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I just did a speech on legalizing same sex marriages ...

Too bad you didn't have someone in the class do a speech on a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman to set you straight. :)

Vote Mike Huckabee for President in 2008. :D


glad2badad, not too long ago, you wanted us to:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Vote General Peter Pace for President in 2008.


You don't want him any more?
Just checking...

08/15/2007 09:54:03 AM · #823
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I just did a speech on legalizing same sex marriages ...

Too bad you didn't have someone in the class do a speech on a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman to set you straight. :)

Vote Mike Huckabee for President in 2008. :D


glad2badad, not too long ago, you wanted us to:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Vote General Peter Pace for President in 2008.


You don't want him any more?
Just checking...

He-he. Nah. That was just wishful thinking at the time. My second choice actually has a chance at getting on the ballot. ;-)
 05/17/2008 09:07:22 AM · #824
Just to keep this thread up to date:
California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban

The article says, in part - The court's ruling repeatedly invoked the words "respect and dignity" and framed the marriage question as one that deeply affected not just couples but also their children. California has more than 100,000 households headed by gay couples, about a quarter with children, according to 2000 census data.

"Our state now recognizes that an individual's capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual's sexual orientation," George wrote for the majority. "An individual's sexual orientation -- like a person's race or gender -- does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights."

Alice
 05/17/2008 12:42:16 PM · #825
This is why I have a hard time letting religious leaders dictate my personal choices:

Police say Texas minister caught in Internet sex sting

Positions of leadership are ripe for sexually repressed hypocrites who want to tell others how to live. My great grandfather was a married, strict Nazarene minister who got caught having sex with a 16 year old parishioner. I'd be willing to bet anything that he had more than one victim. I was sexually molested by a married member of the Nazarene church I was raised in (and no I'm not ashamed to talk about it because I had no control over the situation.)

When I got married the first time, my husband and I were required to take a course with the Catholic church in order to be considered suitable for marriage. He was brought up in a strict God fearing environment where the nuns beat him with rulers. I don't know how his homosexual tendencies were developed, but the church was unable to beat them out of him (quite the contrary, I suspect). I spent five years of my life in a lie because he honestly believed that being married would fix him. So forgive me if I don't appreciate religious people telling me how to run my personal life.

I've also known a couple of homosexual pedophiles who put themselves in positions of authority in order to subdue their victims. Edit to add: Neither or them had to get married and adopt a child to find their victims. It was quite easy for them to take custody of young men from the local boys home. These unfortunate victims were the result of failed heterosexual relationships, btw.

The only thing I care about when it comes to idealizing marriage is that parents protect their children from harm and that my spouse commits to the vows he made. What happens between every other couple is none of my business.

I laugh out loud every time I hear the phrase "Sanctity of Marriage". Go on craigslist.com and check out the personals. You might be surprised to discover that your married neighbors are participating all kinds of questionable activities, including an alarming number of "straight" married people soliciting homosexual encounters. If the "institution" is in crisis this would seem to be more critical than the idea of openly homosexual partners committing to each other.

I think this country needs to get over the Idealistic stock concept of "Sanctity of Marriage" and pay closer attention to the "Sanctimoniousness" in their own spheres.

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