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01/28/2008 11:02:10 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by desertoddity:
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
A quick note to everyone bored of this:
STOP READING IT AND REPLYING TO IT THEN! No-one is putting a gun to your head and you are participating in this discussion voluntarily.
If this is a dead horse topic and people who have been here and seen and heard this topic done to death already, ask yourself, why is it the same questions keep coming up again and again?
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you do have a good point there. i would also ask people who have been here and feel this is a dead issue to remember that not everyone has been here as long and not dismiss others opinions and disrupt the discussion to ask it to be shut down just because you've seen or participated in something similar already. if you find it tiresome, don't open the thread.
there are always going to be new people joining and cycling in and out of the same discussions. please don't discourage us from discussing things you've already seen discussed or been a part of yourself. please don't make us feel like we're boring you , even if we are. |
It can also be useful to take a peak at a subject by searching for it, especially when you kind of know ahead of time it's probably been discussed.
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#3 - Search existing threads for a topic before starting a new one. Since threads are indexed for search every few hours, you should both search (using the search box at the bottom of the front page) AND check recent threads (by checking the front page, or better, clicking "Community" on the menu bar) before creating a new thread. In the interest of keeping the forums orderly, the Site Council will lock any duplicate threads, and include a link to the existing thread on the topic. |
fair enough. but that shouldn't prevent further discussion by people who weren't involved or possibly not even here when it last came up. so even if it's just an existing thread revived, i wish people who have been here a long time would let the new ones express disagreement or agreement and be allowed to discuss it without complaining that it's been done already. what is so annoying about seeing the same thread title on the front page? when i get tired of a particular thread, i simply stop opening it. coming up on the front page does not obligate me to open it again. there are several to choose from. |
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01/28/2008 11:09:35 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by desertoddity:
... when i get tired of a particular thread, i simply stop opening it. ... |
I haven't tired of this one yet. I find it highly entertaining. :-) |
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01/28/2008 11:28:02 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by desertoddity:
... when i get tired of a particular thread, i simply stop opening it. ... |
I haven't tired of this one yet. I find it highly entertaining. :-) |
ditto :D |
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01/28/2008 11:29:57 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by desertoddity:
when i get tired of a particular thread, i simply stop opening it. |
True, but one hopes that the site council or others (e.g., Langdon) read these threads for suggested site improvements. I imagine such repetition lessens the chances that they will pay attention to the forums.
The phenomenon of newcomer chutzpah can also be annoying. That's where someone has been around a short time and wants to overhaul how things are done. I've probably done it myself, except I *think* most of my suggestions for site improvements have been simple ones. |
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01/28/2008 11:37:21 AM · #105 |
There seems to be much discussion on whether the discussion should be going on... the simple fact that it does keep coming up means that trolls are at least an annoyance on the site. Can trolls be eradicated? I haven't seen evidence that they can. Can their impact be minimized? Probably so.
I'll hazard to guess that no matter how much we gripe about them, trolls AND anti-troll threads will continue to be part of DPC for a long time.
Message edited by author 2008-01-28 11:37:53. |
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01/28/2008 11:51:25 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
There seems to be much discussion on whether the discussion should be going on... the simple fact that it does keep coming up means that trolls are at least an annoyance on the site. Can trolls be eradicated? I haven't seen evidence that they can. Can their impact be minimized? Probably so.
I'll hazard to guess that no matter how much we gripe about them, trolls AND anti-troll threads will continue to be part of DPC for a long time. |
Ahh, yes, but has anyone proved beyond a doubt that trolls actually exist? :-D
ETA - surely this will bring about the troll under the bridge photo. :)
Message edited by author 2008-01-28 11:52:06.
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01/28/2008 12:28:45 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Ahh, yes, but has anyone proved beyond a doubt that trolls actually exist? :-D
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Well... depends on whether you're going by the Johnny Cochran defense model... :-D
The fact that scrubbers exist proves at least Langdon believes in them to an extent, if you want to go by the definition of troll being one that purposely votes low on images. |
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01/28/2008 12:38:51 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Ahh, yes, but has anyone proved beyond a doubt that trolls actually exist? :-D
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Well... depends on whether you're going by the Johnny Cochran defense model... :-D
The fact that scrubbers exist proves at least Langdon believes in them to an extent, if you want to go by the definition of troll being one that purposely votes low on images. |
Yes, but the scrubber exists to remove votes at the other end as well. |
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01/28/2008 12:42:14 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Ahh, yes, but has anyone proved beyond a doubt that trolls actually exist? :-D
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Well... depends on whether you're going by the Johnny Cochran defense model... :-D
The fact that scrubbers exist proves at least Langdon believes in them to an extent, if you want to go by the definition of troll being one that purposely votes low on images. |
Yes, but the scrubber exists to remove votes at the other end as well. |
ie Fairies, yes. |
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01/28/2008 12:49:54 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Ahh, yes, but has anyone proved beyond a doubt that trolls actually exist? :-D
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Well... depends on whether you're going by the Johnny Cochran defense model... :-D
The fact that scrubbers exist proves at least Langdon believes in them to an extent, if you want to go by the definition of troll being one that purposely votes low on images. |
Yes, but the scrubber exists to remove votes at the other end as well. |
my score dropped on the 6 challenge from 5.76 to 5.74. the scrubber took away 5 votes with an average of 6. something. i was shocked. |
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01/28/2008 12:59:40 PM · #111 |
| funny thing is that I rarely benifit(score wise) on decent scoring shots from the scrubber. In fact, my highest scoreing shot was over 7 until the roll over, damn scrubber!:) I would venture to say that most votes that get scrubbed though are due to the voter didn't meet the 20% mark on votes. |
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01/28/2008 01:06:01 PM · #112 |
Contrary to what the folks screaming about "troll votes don't really have a effect on the outcome of a challenge" have to say ... I did some quick calculations removing the 1 and 2 votes and recalculating
My best of entry would have moved 13 positions ( from sucky to a little less sucky) My yellow would have moved 5 into the top 30. As a matter of fact my best of entry was as low as 4.1 early in the voting. The shot ain't that bad ... as a matter of fact ... it is being licensed as a magazine cover shot.
I will stipulate that troll voting effects almost everyone ... so If my images move so will others ... I was using the above simply as an example.
So ah my read is ... Yes trolls exist. Yes they do have a profound effect on outcome ... but no I am not sure anything can really be done. |
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01/28/2008 01:20:37 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by nomad469:
Contrary to what the folks screaming about "troll votes don't really have a effect on the outcome of a challenge" have to say ... I did some quick calculations removing the 1 and 2 votes and recalculating ...
My best of entry would have moved 13 positions ...
My yellow would have moved 5 into the top 30 ... |
Assuming that those above you wouldn't also increase in score (removing the 1's & 2's), which is unlikely. |
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01/28/2008 04:01:01 PM · #114 |
We should also include in this quality control a "gotta be white, blonde haired and blue eyed."
Originally posted by Quasimojo:
 ClubJuggle: last entry 0506, average vote 5.6. Troll? No.
 Langdon: last entry 06/07, average vote 5.7. Troll? No.
In contrast
TrollUser: last entry 0405, average vote 3.5. Troll? Yes.
TrollUser2: last entry nil, average vote 3. Troll? Yes.
Do you see where I'm coming from? This isn't a witchhunt, just some basic quality control.
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