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02/24/2004 01:58:09 AM · #1 |
Some interesting points are being discussed in this thread around the future of camera bodies and lenses.
This got me wondering what breakthroughs are on the horizon for digital cameras.
How about it futurists; what can we expect a thousand dollars to buy in 2009?
Roger
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02/24/2004 02:31:42 AM · #2 |
| Another version of the MemoryStick and Sony's first SLR. |
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02/24/2004 02:31:52 AM · #3 |
| One thing I've heard is on the way is further increase (approx. 6-fold) in hard-disk storage density. Besides giving you about a terabyte of storage on your laptop or digital wallet, if the MicroDrive format is maintained it should get up to about 20GB capacity. |
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02/24/2004 07:58:53 AM · #4 |
I just want EVERYTHING to be faster.... I'd live with the quality we had now if everything was just faster!!!
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02/24/2004 08:17:17 AM · #5 |
I'm wondering if somebody will ever come out with a square image sensor.
The image projected by a lens is already a circle, and the sensor is just a 3:2 rectangular chunk taken out of that circle by the sensor. So instead of having to switch between portrait and landscape orientation by rotating the camera, I could just have a thumb button that I push to toggle between portrait and landscape. Electronic LCD shutters in the viewfinder would mask off the "inactive" part of the projected image to help you compose. (Of course there would be a shooting option to capture the "full sensor", either for square images or for making the crop decision in post.)
And speaking of electronic shutters in the viewfinder, perhaps they could allow you to select different aspect ratios (like 1.25:1 if you know you are going to be shooting 4x5's/8x10's) to help you compose. (Not exactly the same thing, but BrightScreen offers replacement focusing screens for most DSLRs and film cameras that can include such things as etched 1.25:1 composition boxes, "rule of thirds" lines, etc.) |
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02/24/2004 08:20:36 AM · #6 |
| I was hoping for a greater leap, like 3D images, or holographic. Perhaps this is thinking past 2009 though :P |
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02/24/2004 08:46:07 AM · #7 |
I'm predicting a standard for interchangeable image sensors. You'd get to choose your sensor type, dynamic range, ISO range, resolution....etc. That's already a reality for the ultra high-end cameras that accept digital backs.
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02/24/2004 08:56:47 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
I was hoping for a greater leap, like 3D images, or holographic. Perhaps this is thinking past 2009 though :P |
I believe Sharp are in the process of making 3d monitors now.. Apparently from a single perspective (not multiple people viewing the monitor) it's pretty much a done thing. |
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02/24/2004 08:58:01 AM · #9 |
| Minolta's Digital Maxxum will be nearing completion, and Minolta promises that you won't have to refinance your flying car or glass house to afford it. |
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02/24/2004 08:58:42 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
I'm wondering if somebody will ever come out with a square image sensor. |
Other than medium format backs?
Originally posted by orussell:
I'm predicting a standard for interchangeable image sensors. You'd get to choose your sensor type, dynamic range, ISO range, resolution....etc. That's already a reality for the ultra high-end cameras that accept digital backs. |
We're close -- 4/3 rds, now convince Canon and Nikon... erm NO! |
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02/24/2004 09:06:18 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
Originally posted by EddyG:
I'm wondering if somebody will ever come out with a square image sensor. |
Other than medium format backs? |
Yeah, I meant in a 35mm-style body... :) |
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02/24/2004 11:25:33 AM · #12 |
My view of the future is the back of FILM!
Hey calm... don´t hurt me! :)
This film is not the actual film. But now we have a DSLR, with interchangeable lens. In the future will be possible to interchange the sensor too. As you do with actual film. You have characteristics in sensors today as the film pelicules have. This is dynamic range, resolution, type (CMOS and CCD) and layers (as Foveon and S3). With interchangeable sensor the camera body will cost a third it costs now. And you will get an affordable sensor to it. When you need some characteristic, goes to buy an other sensor. A commom sensor interface (CSI) will act as a PCI bridge does to a PC. It will bring the hability to shoot diferent kinds of subjects with diferent "films" specialized to the job. Like the pros of film photography does actually.
To do this, cameras and computers will walk straight. Cameras BIOS will be updated and the C.O.S. (Camera Operating System) must be developed, to interchange commom features of CSI. This will expand my development market, improve our camera gear and gives more power to photography. You will be allowed to shoot a 6x7 digital equivalent in a hi-density sensor with a 35mm IDSLR (Intermedia Digital Single Lens Reflex) and lens.
I hope it come quickly!
Message edited by author 2004-02-24 11:27:21.
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02/24/2004 11:33:25 AM · #13 |
The other thing I can see is automatic downloading to computer/hd with portable full screen editing and optional printing (high high quality) so when you are out on the road somewhere have a little kit, where can show people 11x14 size pictures on the monitor (use photoshop or equivanent adjustments, possibly that comunicate back to the camera for adjustments or recomendations) and instant printing.
The other thing as mentioned is adjusting the censer to act more like a special purpose film.
Better black and white images/printing becoming standard.
Truely huge size file allowing for high quality tight crops.
Everywhere access to the internet, so picture can go instantly to a website, with again automatic (preset/template) workflow.
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02/24/2004 12:07:32 PM · #14 |
built in WI-FI/BlueTooth.
No more wires to the TV or Computer to display/download images!
Of course thats more of a year and change kind of thing, not real future progress...
Message edited by author 2004-02-24 12:08:17.
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02/24/2004 12:09:50 PM · #15 |
the nikon D2H is supposed to have a WIFI add on
so you can stream right to a computer running an FTP server.
thats due out soon - more than $1000 US though
mentioned it on sunday in another thread
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02/24/2004 12:13:29 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by GoodEnd:
My view of the future is the back of FILM!
Hey calm... don´t hurt me! :)
This film is not the actual film. But now we have a DSLR, with interchangeable lens. In the future will be possible to interchange the sensor too. As you do with actual film. You have characteristics in sensors today as the film pelicules have. This is dynamic range, resolution, type (CMOS and CCD) and layers (as Foveon and S3). With interchangeable sensor the camera body will cost a third it costs now. And you will get an affordable sensor to it. When you need some characteristic, goes to buy an other sensor. A commom sensor interface (CSI) will act as a PCI bridge does to a PC. It will bring the hability to shoot diferent kinds of subjects with diferent "films" specialized to the job. Like the pros of film photography does actually.
To do this, cameras and computers will walk straight. Cameras BIOS will be updated and the C.O.S. (Camera Operating System) must be developed, to interchange commom features of CSI. This will expand my development market, improve our camera gear and gives more power to photography. You will be allowed to shoot a 6x7 digital equivalent in a hi-density sensor with a 35mm IDSLR (Intermedia Digital Single Lens Reflex) and lens.
I hope it come quickly! |
This is about 5 years in the past, not the future. Digital started with interchangeable backs - some companies are still making a lot of money making them. e.g., www.phaseone.com/
I think probably camera prices will start to level off about where they are, rather than the steep falling curve/ increasing features that we've seen as digital is starting to become a mature product.
Processing time will improve massively, as will scene adaption stuff.
Per pixel dynamic 'ISO' to remove the need for graduated NDs - you could sketch the ND you want on the back of a touch sensitive screen ?
cellphones with 10Mp cameras built in
Compositional 'wizards' for snapshooters
built in inkjet printers 'ala' polaroid film
smaller, lighter, adaptive optics for sharper images tuned to the sensor
Message edited by author 2004-02-24 12:31:30.
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02/24/2004 02:08:30 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
This is about 5 years in the past, not the future. Digital started with interchangeable backs - some companies are still making a lot of money making them. e.g., www.phaseone.com/ |
Nikon will come with the F6. Interchangeable backs, with a choice of Nikon, Fuji and Kodak in various sizes and speeds. It is said that it will also have interchangeable exposure and AF systems. The price is rumoured to be high. It will also accept film backs. Paul Pope from Australia has already had a chance to handle it with a film back.
Phaseone makes some serious stuff BTW. Those huge sensors cost a lot of money to make and their support and software is great. But 30,000 USD anyone? You get what you pay for.
Originally posted by Gordon:
I think probably camera prices will start to level off about where they are, rather than the steep falling curve/ increasing features that we've seen as digital is starting to become a mature product.
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Competition, low-wage-country-manufacturing and economies of scale will drive prices further down. The 300D might go to a surprising prise after the summer and the same goes for all those hyped 8mp cameras. The competition will be very hard. When 8mp goes down, the 5mp's have to go down, the 3mp will have to go down.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Per pixel dynamic 'ISO' to remove the need for graduated NDs - you could sketch the ND you want on the back of a touch sensitive screen ?
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Canon has a patent on a kind of per photodiode exposure.
It would be great if there would be a kind of interactive help function on cameras with automatic scene and interesting-factor recognition.
"Warning, warning, this will be a very boring photo. Please recompose, stand back, zoom in, move the left, set a wider aperture, give exposure compensation, tell your model to smile! Bling, bling, bling, you just shot a fantastic photo that won't bore the hell out of your dpc comrades. DPC score prediction: 7.2349, upload (sattelite link) to dpc?"
I need to take more photos instead of hanging around at dpreview so much.
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02/24/2004 02:53:02 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Competition, low-wage-country-manufacturing and economies of scale will drive prices further down. The 300D might go to a surprising prise after the summer and the same goes for all those hyped 8mp cameras. The competition will be very hard. When 8mp goes down, the 5mp's have to go down, the 3mp will have to go down. |
I think 3mp will drop off the face of the planet - camera phones and the like are going to mop up that low end, low quality market - 2Mp camera phones with flash are already available and thats just first/ second generation products - the low end digital camera market is likely to just fade away, like the PDA market.
I think the entry level SLR prices will drop a little bit further but will probably level off around $500 - I don't see something like a 300D even getting much below $400 in kit form... instead of price drops you'll see new features coming in. The 10Ds and the like will probably level off around $800 - equivalent film bodies are a good indicator probably of how far these sorts of products will drop - as is the PC market place - you tend to get something much better for your money, but the actual price point doesn't change a whole lot after the initial development settles down and supply starts to meet demand.
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02/24/2004 03:38:19 PM · #19 |
That look like realistic future pricelevels to me.
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02/25/2004 10:38:51 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by KarenB:
I was hoping for a greater leap, like 3D images, or holographic. Perhaps this is thinking past 2009 though :P |
I believe Sharp are in the process of making 3d monitors now.. Apparently from a single perspective (not multiple people viewing the monitor) it's pretty much a done thing. |
Well, that's a cool first step. I am thinking more of a stand alone 3D image :)
Message edited by author 2004-02-25 10:39:13. |
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02/25/2004 11:19:22 AM · #21 |
Hitachi just annouced a 3D display, that you can view from
all around the horizontal plane
//www.hitachi.co.jp/New/cnews/040224a.html
The are also working on a camera to go with it...
Message edited by author 2004-02-25 11:20:32.
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02/25/2004 01:45:08 PM · #22 |
That's neat Gordon! Wish I could read the language! LOL
Anyway, I'd love to be able to display a portrait like this that I could actually walk all the way around. Maybe instead of 3D, they could call it "sculpture photography" :) |
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02/25/2004 01:54:04 PM · #23 |
Now that we have phones with digi cams - im sure they'll make a camera with a built in phone function ;p
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02/25/2004 04:57:51 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Hitachi just annouced a 3D display, that you can view from
all around the horizontal plane
//www.hitachi.co.jp/New/cnews/040224a.html
The are also working on a camera to go with it... |
From those little photos it looks an awful lot like the Evil Emeperor Zurg's holographic generator in the movie Toy Story 2. |
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02/29/2004 06:14:05 PM · #25 |
| Any megapixel predictions? When will everyone own gigapixel cameras, do you think? |
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