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 01/24/2008 04:47:11 PM · #151
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Cuba Libre!


I love Rum & Coke with lime! :-P
 01/24/2008 04:52:02 PM · #152
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Cuba Libre!


I love Rum & Coke with lime! :-P

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :-)
 01/24/2008 04:55:14 PM · #153
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think if everyone used the time spent typing in these threads leaving constructive comments on pictures instead, there would be no need for any revolution ...


As stupid as it sounds, I feel like a big dummy leaving comments beyond "oh, pretty!" since I've yet to achieve competency.

Did you know, for over a year now I thought you were 'GeneralIE' instead of 'GeneralE'? I have no idea why I just noticed that.
 01/24/2008 05:04:34 PM · #154
Originally posted by EducatedSavage:
Did you know, for over a year now I thought you were 'GeneralIE' instead of 'GeneralE'? I have no idea why I just noticed that.


Woah. Me too. Woah. My mind is slightly blown right now...

For what it's worth, I wouldn't enter a restricted competition. When my ribboner comes it's going to come against the whole field. That said, I wouldn't mind if others did.
 01/24/2008 05:09:14 PM · #155
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Do NOT GIVE ME "YOU" thing, I have not point anyone here, you CAN NOT point me out because I give my suggestion. That becomes personal. say what you want to say without putting ME in caps please.


Leo, the post I was replying to said,
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
You don't give all what you got in a race if you know you are competing against 10 pros... you could say you would, but that would be lie or only half way, and at the end when you lose the race, you would give excuse there were too many pros and you didn't have any chance


You were implying that I would feel like that, which isn't true. Basically you're pointing at each and every reader of the comment. I simply reversed the "you" back to sender.
I also believe that if you feel the rest of us would think that way, that you probably must as well.
I apologise if you felt attacked, but your wording put ME on the defensive.
01/24/2008 05:15:59 PM · #156
Originally posted by EducatedSavage:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think if everyone used the time spent typing in these threads leaving constructive comments on pictures instead, there would be no need for any revolution ...


As stupid as it sounds, I feel like a big dummy leaving comments beyond "oh, pretty!" since I've yet to achieve competency.

You are the only person in the world qualified to tell the photographer how a picture makes you feel. Just say what it is about the photo -- the subject, lighting, colors -- which makes you have the reaction "oh pretty" ... one of the very best ways to become a better photographer is to try and describe what "works" (or doesn't) for you in any particular image -- you will start to follow your own "rules" when you set out to take pictures yourself.
 01/24/2008 05:16:49 PM · #157
Originally posted by alexzen:
The thing I miss the most about DPL is the opportunity to work with photograpghers at my own (very modest) level and work on 'relative' improvement, as opposed to only comparing myself to the top 10 which feels quite illusive most of the time.


I agree, I love that about the DPL, it was so fun to have a team that you could have fun with and help out. I really can't wait for DPL, i think that is one of the best things that DPC has done.
 01/24/2008 05:33:06 PM · #158
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by EducatedSavage:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think if everyone used the time spent typing in these threads leaving constructive comments on pictures instead, there would be no need for any revolution ...


As stupid as it sounds, I feel like a big dummy leaving comments beyond "oh, pretty!" since I've yet to achieve competency.

You are the only person in the world qualified to tell the photographer how a picture makes you feel. Just say what it is about the photo -- the subject, lighting, colors -- which makes you have the reaction "oh pretty" ... one of the very best ways to become a better photographer is to try and describe what "works" (or doesn't) for you in any particular image -- you will start to follow your own "rules" when you set out to take pictures yourself.


While I appreciate that my opinion may be valid, it's not particularly worthwhile to anyone else. I mean, knowing what I know hasn't gotten me anywhere, so how could it possibly help anyone else? I DO look through the images in challenges quite a bit (all of them - even the NOT perfect ones - all those extra views people mention are partially because of me) and I do vote. When it comes to commenting, I feel that it's better to keep my mouth shut and merely look the idiot rather than open it and prove it. Although I suppose that's what I'm doing now... hrm.

And while I DO love my own pity party, I really feel that other folks prolly feel the same - we're not part of the cool kids club and that's somehow appropriate. But recall - I think that our major problem around here is a skewed perspective and negative attitudes not that people 'hog' ribbons.

Edited to add: eamurdock - I'm so glad to hear you thought so too!

Message edited by author 2008-01-24 17:34:20.
 01/24/2008 05:41:30 PM · #159
Originally posted by EducatedSavage:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by EducatedSavage:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think if everyone used the time spent typing in these threads leaving constructive comments on pictures instead, there would be no need for any revolution ...


As stupid as it sounds, I feel like a big dummy leaving comments beyond "oh, pretty!" since I've yet to achieve competency.

You are the only person in the world qualified to tell the photographer how a picture makes you feel. Just say what it is about the photo -- the subject, lighting, colors -- which makes you have the reaction "oh pretty" ... one of the very best ways to become a better photographer is to try and describe what "works" (or doesn't) for you in any particular image -- you will start to follow your own "rules" when you set out to take pictures yourself.


While I appreciate that my opinion may be valid, it's not particularly worthwhile to anyone else. I mean, knowing what I know hasn't gotten me anywhere, so how could it possibly help anyone else?

It helps to know what kind of reaction a photo engenders in a viewer. It has nothing to do with offering advice on how to make it better -- don't even think about that part. A "useful" comment just needs to fill in the end of the sentence "I liked/didn't like this photo because ..."
 01/24/2008 05:46:16 PM · #160
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Do NOT GIVE ME "YOU" thing, I have not point anyone here, you CAN NOT point me out because I give my suggestion. That becomes personal. say what you want to say without putting ME in caps please.


Leo, the post I was replying to said,
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
You don't give all what you got in a race if you know you are competing against 10 pros... you could say you would, but that would be lie or only half way, and at the end when you lose the race, you would give excuse there were too many pros and you didn't have any chance


You were implying that I would feel like that, which isn't true. Basically you're pointing at each and every reader of the comment. I simply reversed the "you" back to sender.
I also believe that if you feel the rest of us would think that way, that you probably must as well.
I apologise if you felt attacked, but your wording put ME on the defensive.


I didn't even know who you were when I answer that. You are a respected DPC member, I stand corrected, nothing personal :)
 01/24/2008 05:57:30 PM · #161
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
You want to be the best...You have to beat the best.


Bests are not entering all the challenges. If you win a ribbon with 80 people in it, and no one has more than 4 ribbons for example... you think you beat the best? You think your ribbon as valuable as if you'd enter and win the best of 2007?

;)


A challenge with only 80 people might strongly suggest that the challenge theme was most difficult. What's so difficult about a free study where you can enter whatever you want? Doing well in a free study is more about having access to the most popular subjects more than anything else.
 01/24/2008 06:15:16 PM · #162
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I didn't even know who you were when I answer that. You are a respected DPC member, I stand corrected, nothing personal :)


Lol, I wish, but thank you :)

And maybe instead of saying that you might feel that way, I should have asked IF you feel that way.
I know I don't. Sometimes I give an entry my all and do get disappointed with its placement, but I acknowledge that there will always be someone better than me.
Sometimes I enter for the sake of entering, but know that low placement is totally on my shoulders and doesn't depend on who else entered.

And regarding some of the others' comments; Doing well against a field of 80 as opposed to one of 300 DOES mean as much to me, because those other 220 had the choice to enter. In effect I did beat them, because I chose to make the effort and they chose not to.
If that choice is removed and I'm only competing against lower levels, no thank you. Not for the official ribbon challenges, at least. I'd have nothing against competing against those of my own experience and talent in side challenges, or something divisional like the DPL, but when (if) I ribbon for the front page, I want it to be meaningful :)

Now if the majority want otherwise and the powers-that-be decide otherwise I'll live with it, but that's my feelings, anyway. :)
 01/24/2008 06:57:19 PM · #163
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by trevytrev:
If you really want to encourage people who are new or less experienced then start a "rookies" club or "ribbonless" club. You can set up a thread and have people join and keep track of how they all finish in challenges and hand of "Focus" ribbons. ...

Ok. This thread just became worthwhile. Nice suggestion Trev.

This could be setup similar to the way Scott ( SDW) has run the FSM (Free Study Marathon). Have it run on a quarterly basis or something. Once a person has won a ribbon (in regular open/member challenges) they are no longer eligible to participate in the "ribbonless" side competition/club (whatever it's named).


Just a vote that this is a nice idea. I was thinking something like ekmendoza did here so that you can track your progress but just against non-ribboners / rookies. With perhaps a running ranking system that would effectively indicate the next people statistically most likely to get a ribbon - and as they did, so others would move up the ranks - which would feel good.
 01/25/2008 01:57:46 AM · #164
I've continued thinking about Leo's idea, and I've changed my mind. The fact that *I* would prefer not to participate in a no-ribboner challenge doesn't mean it's not legit for others to want to do so.

Or, to get rid of the multiple negatives in that sentiment: sure, have another no-ribboner challenge. :)

However ...

I still think the concept implies that a ribbon, all by itself, has some value. In contrast, I think the value comes from shooting a winning photo, and that means the level of competition matters.

What I'd much rather see, and what I think would really benefit people, is a monthly "comment challenge." Collect the names of anyone who wants to learn a lot and agrees to have thick skin, have them all shoot some common theme, and then have everyone participating and many non-participants comment on the shots.

In fact, I just started that exact thread.

Message edited by author 2008-01-25 02:20:35.
 01/25/2008 02:20:05 AM · #165
Oooh, how synchronous. I take it back!

Message edited by author 2008-01-25 02:20:21.
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