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02/24/2004 08:24:11 AM · #26 |
D100 is an excellent camera, and I expect the D70 will be too.
Nikon vs. Canon is primarily a matter of religion, history and personal preference. Both manufacturers have a wide variety of lenses of various quality. Canon's autofocus system used to be superior to Nikon's, and that's why many sport photogs traditionally used (and many still use) Canon. That's no longer the case, Nikon having equivilent products.
The question is which do you like best. Take the time and choose carefully, and remember you're purchasing a *system*, not a camera body - once you start investing in lenses, flashes, and accessories, the cost of a camera body will pale by comparison. For example, with 3 Nikon bodies and 5 lenses, I'd be hard pressed to buy a Canon unless if offered something I really needed that Nikon didn't. My colleages who shoot Canon feel the same way about Nikon.
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02/24/2004 09:06:17 AM · #27 |
Another way to address the decision is to view a large number of photos that you like. Tally what camera system was used to capture them. Then consider that into your evaluation. (Canon/Nikon/Minolta/Fugi/Kodak......)
You will likely discover that either one system consistently is used to take the kinds of photographs that appeal to you, OR that it truly is a photographer's "eye" issue and has little to do with the equipment.
Either way, you will know.
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02/24/2004 10:59:38 AM · #28 |
I think we can all agree that you are really buying into a lens system. To think of the price of your DSLR should be secondary to your choice on lens systems. Thats why I'm going to the full frame Four-Thirds Lens standard that Olympus, Kodak, Fuji, Sanyo, Panasonic, and Sigma have agreed on.
Talk about variety of quality. Talk about choice. There's not much yet but its comming down the pipe.... the future will be Four-Thirds.
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02/24/2004 11:21:10 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by JoelHSmith:
Talk about variety of quality. Talk about choice. There's not much yet but its comming down the pipe.... the future will be Four-Thirds. |
That's certainly an option, but would seem to be more of a gamble than buying in to either Canon or Nikon's existing family of lenses.
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02/24/2004 11:36:43 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by JoelHSmith:
Talk about variety of quality. Talk about choice. There's not much yet but its comming down the pipe.... the future will be Four-Thirds. |
First time I read something about 4/3rds standard I thought like you. I can saw a future to it. Learning more about it and other photography issues I saw my mistake.
I create my own interpretation of things in order of relevance that made a perfect image:
1) Lens
2) Resolution
3) Sensor construction issues (apart from resolution, due to many diferent quality sensor has the same resolutions)
4) Body capabilities.
If I´m wrong let me know, please. But im my view 4/3 is a standard that makes manufactors of diferent brands to act as one. This is needed why "the mature marketplace owns only to 2 brands" All Ries. The camera system market owns to Canon and Nikon. Why I can mean with camera system? I did mean that when you whant to get a full system of high quality you need to choose: Canon or Nikon. Other brands makes some things well. Sigma made some lenses, not so good as Nikon or Canon, but has your bodys with Foveon CCDs. Fuji has your new S3 chip. Like Sigma and Fuji, all these other brands that agree 4/3rds standard produces not a complete system, but only parts of it with reasonable quality. Then acting toghether they can approach the Nikon or Canon marketshare, putting the things that they do better on a multi-brand system. It´s not bad, to us as costumers.
But going back to my list of things that made an image, 4/3 limits the size of sensor at 50% of a full frame 35mm. To increase the resolution, the pixels will be shortened, this impact will be noticiable in quality. Larger pixels captures more light. This increase dynamic range, color acurracy and other issues. In resume 4/3 systems will compete clearly in quality with 2/3" systems at startup. But will never can be compared to a full frame systems. In this way Canon has a leadership, great lens, 11.2MP at full frame that can evolve up to 22MP and low noise chips. Nikon is very late and 4/3 will never come in.
Message edited by author 2004-02-24 12:05:40.
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02/24/2004 01:04:53 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by GoodEnd:
About Nikon and Canon, many brand lovers will get a war about who is the better camera.
I love Nikon lenses. I know that Canon has a great line of lens, with many more options than Nikon. But Nikon has less lens, but all of that is supperb. Canon made lens in various class, I rate it´s class as: Bad and Cheap (as 15-55 that comes with 300D), General Pourpose (almost good quality) and High quality (L lenses). That is why Canon has a huge line of lenses. They cover a wide range market. If you don´t have money to buy a great lenses Canon makes a cheap lenses to you. Nikon don´t do it. Every Nikon lens are design to be the best. Are only two types with and withoud ED glass. Nikon leaves to Sigma and Tanrom to build second line lenses. A bit more expensive in some cases that a General pourpose Canon lens.
Well, you ask about camera gear. Why I reply you with lens lines? Because you don´t buy a camera body. When you go to a DSLR you get a Lens System. You will be slave of this system. You will replace your body, but a lens system can be up 100 times more expensive than a single body.
To me D70 is dream camera. It´s not a downgraded D100 is a new system. It´s very best than 300D because it gives total control to you. If you know evaluate a camera you know that manual control is better than auto. Canon 300D is a great camera to averyone that need to get great pictures (with great lens that not comming with it), and leaves the control to the camera. |
This is BS, I've used nikon glass that just sucked! Canon and Nikon glass are about the same. ;D |
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02/24/2004 01:05:00 PM · #32 |
Well, there is only one website that can resolve this dispute in a unbias manner. Try going to //www.realultimatepower.net After you go to this site I think you will all agree.
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02/24/2004 02:01:25 PM · #33 |
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02/24/2004 03:25:10 PM · #34 |
| Interesting results, but a bit vague. Here is something a little more specific. The winner is still the same! |
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02/24/2004 03:30:36 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by lykofos:
Interesting results, but a bit vague. Here is something a little more specific. The winner is still the same! |
Although, on balance, you can't really take these googlefights as being very accurate. Or maybe you can!
One last google fight (minorly offensive - you've been warned)
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02/24/2004 03:41:46 PM · #36 |
Thanks a lot. You've just shattered my illusion that googlefights would be able to make all important future decisions for me. :(
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02/24/2004 03:50:08 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by JoelHSmith:
I think we can all agree that you are really buying into a lens system. To think of the price of your DSLR should be secondary to your choice on lens systems. Thats why I'm going to the full frame Four-Thirds Lens standard that Olympus, Kodak, Fuji, Sanyo, Panasonic, and Sigma have agreed on.
Talk about variety of quality. Talk about choice. There's not much yet but its comming down the pipe.... the future will be Four-Thirds. |
They said that lenses would be cheaper, because they could be smaller.
But now they charge 600mm high quality prices for a 300mm high quality. Sure the crop factor makes the 300mm a 600mm, but why do they charge for that added air?
The limited range of 4/3 lenses and their prices are a bad thing. I also think that the CCD size limits the possibilities (will they be able to match Canon 1D Mk2's 8mp, speed, dynamic range and noise performance?) and that 2x crop sucks when it comes to DOF (you need very fast and expensive lenses to match slower aperture DOF from DX and FF systems).
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02/24/2004 05:47:38 PM · #38 |
FYI,
The other day I found a gentleman who converts old manual Nikon lens to adapt to new digitals cameral by adding a chip and other items for $85.00 per lens. He does Nikon knockoffs, i.e. Vivitar, Sigma, Tokinas et al. that are Nikon adaptable. The lens can be used for light metering, but are still manual on focus and f-stop settings, but the meter works! So my 300mm 2.8 can be used.
So old Nikoners like me can use manual lens instead of selling them if we decide to move to D100 or D70 or more expensive digital Nikons. So, a future for me old lens appears.... So the D70 maybe my choice soon. Van |
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02/26/2004 03:35:24 PM · #39 |
I just pre-ordered the D70 kit from RITZCAMERA. They said that I was number 320 on the list, that's $416,000 in pre-orders at just one place. I think Nikon has a winner.
Now I just have to patient until it gets here!
Roger
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02/26/2004 10:37:33 PM · #40 |
Hey Roger, what are you going to do with your E-20?
I may be interested... |
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02/27/2004 12:18:00 AM · #41 |
It's on eBay. If you̢۪re interested you can search for e-20n North America Version.
Roger |
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02/27/2004 08:12:54 AM · #42 |
As a D100 owner, I must say I love the camera. I have never had one problem, have been more happy with the camera than I thought I would.
I am not going to debate Canon vs. Nikon. It's religion, and quite frankly they are both really good. Probably so similar in quality that the biggest separation between good and bad photos is more of an influence by WHO is holding the camera, not WHAT camera they are holding.
That being said, I spoke with my local photography store owner who was at PMAI two weeks ago, held a D70, shot it, evaluated it, and came back with a new impression.
He said he was a little skeptical of the camera before going, but after holding and shooting with it, he loves it. Nikon did not introduce a knock-off, but actually added some great features.
Starting from scratch I am not sure which way I would go, Nikon or Canon. However oening a D100 and listening to him describe the D70, if I were started today I would go with the D70. I am thinking about getting a D70 for back-up!
Message edited by author 2004-02-27 09:55:41.
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