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01/30/2008 03:44:01 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by shutterpuppy:
By way of example - Let's say there is an unpaved courtyard where a group of people walk back and forth all day. This constant passage of people back and forth makes a pattern on the dirt of the courtyard that is quite pleasing to the eye and visually interesting. Is this art? I would say no. Now let's say that the people were walking back and forth across the courtyard with the intention of seeing what pattern would result? Is this art? I'd say yes. Is it "good" art. I don't know, I'd have to see it to judge. What if the people walked back and forth across the courtyard with no creative intent at all, but some photographer comes walking along and notices the cool pattern that the walking people have made and takes a picture. Is that art? Again, I'm willing to say yes.
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But I maintain that there is no art without intent. If you have intent and an audience (even if it is just an audience of self) then there is the possibility of art. Without both, it's just a bunch of people trudging through the dirt. |
They should do that more often. Then you could put the paved elements over the paths that are used and landscape the rest, instead of the usual drawing-board design shapes with muddy bits where people cut off the corners and/or avoid wide open spaces, etc. |
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01/30/2008 03:44:57 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by creek41256:
Originally posted by ralph:
when i take a picture - i'm a photographer
when i hang it a gallery - i'm a artist
when i sell it - i'm a successful artist
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And when you edit it to please the DPC? |
I'm a competitor!
:-D |
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01/30/2008 04:10:34 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by creek41256:
Originally posted by ralph:
when i take a picture - i'm a tourist
when i hang it a gallery - i'm an exhibitionist
when i sell it - i'm a grocer
:) |
And when you edit it to please the DPC? |
I'm a cup cake.
:-D |
[Sorry for the candy] |
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01/30/2008 04:29:02 PM · #79 |
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01/30/2008 05:12:01 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by creek41256:
Originally posted by ralph:
when i take a picture - i'm a photographer
when i hang it a gallery - i'm a artist
when i sell it - i'm a successful artist
:) |
And when you edit it to please the DPC? |
i please myself - if that occasionally coincides that great ..
but i don't tend to pander ..
i don't sell often - but i have sold -
that means more to me (and to the people around me) than virtual ribbons |
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01/30/2008 06:12:13 PM · #81 |
After every trip I delete a bunch of "drive-by" photos.... i.e. shots taken out of a moving car.
Some of them aren't even all that bad, but still.... come on.
Yet here is this "artist" whose drive-by shot shows nothing much more than a blurry guard rail and some grainy, blurry grass, and he gets called brilliant (and gets paid) for taking the shot.
Sorry, I won't sing his praises just because some other people do.
But I'm still jealous ;-) |
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01/30/2008 06:49:27 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
After every trip I delete a bunch of "drive-by" photos.... i.e. shots taken out of a moving car.
Some of them aren't even all that bad, but still.... come on.
Yet here is this "artist" whose drive-by shot shows nothing much more than a blurry guard rail and some grainy, blurry grass, and he gets called brilliant (and gets paid) for taking the shot.
Sorry, I won't sing his praises just because some other people do.
But I'm still jealous ;-) |
Another straw man bites the dust. |
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01/30/2008 06:55:05 PM · #83 |
I think I need to spend less time on technique and more on networking :-D
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01/30/2008 06:57:56 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I think I need to spend less time on technique and more on networking :-D |
Yup, there is certainly more money working in IT... |
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01/30/2008 07:00:26 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I think I need to spend less time on technique and more on networking :-D |
Nope, they are both useful. |
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01/30/2008 07:02:52 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I think I need to spend less time on technique and more on networking :-D |
Yup, there is certainly more money working in IT... |
Not that kind, but that's not a bad idea either... :-D
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01/30/2008 07:05:28 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I think I need to spend less time on technique and more on networking :-D |
Nope, they are both useful. |
hmmm,
Scenario A) A great salesperson sells manure
Scenario B) A bad salesperson sells fine art
Who makes more sales? :-D
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01/30/2008 07:12:43 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I think I need to spend less time on technique and more on networking :-D |
Nope, they are both useful. |
hmmm,
Scenario A) A great salesperson sells manure
Scenario B) A bad salesperson sells fine art
Who makes more sales? :-D |
that is a good lead but I don't know the punch line to this joke.
Either salesman have their own process?
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01/30/2008 07:31:32 PM · #89 |
No joke,,, but it does seem that hot air rises higher than creme many times.
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01/30/2008 07:44:26 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
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Sorry for the sidetrack but I just wanted to recommend that all of  zeuszen's posts should automatically include a background image and fancy fonts.
Carry on. |
:) I just love reading Zeuszen's posts. I know there is wisdom there just out of my grasp. In a way it is like Art, I think I can sense it but truly I'm not at all sure. |
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01/30/2008 07:50:35 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
No joke,,, but it does seem that hot air rises higher than creme many times. |
good luck with your process. |
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01/30/2008 07:58:28 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by undieyatch:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
No joke,,, but it does seem that hot air rises higher than creme many times. |
good luck with your process. |
Thanks...
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01/30/2008 10:17:01 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Nature is not art. Intent has something to do with someone's personal desire rather than with a purpose he may have stumbled upon (which would relate to something outside and beyond his own ego).
Nature is to what an artist owes his meagre existence. When he recognizes this, his work, too, will come from nature. He will no longer be able to claim it solely as his own, although he can do so in a small way, since he himself is also an object of nature. His work will come from and with reverence, as an acknowledgement of its presence and role in the creative process. His artistic engagement is participatory, not aloof and manipulative. His social function is akin to that of a hypersensitive "sensor" or antenna.
The baroque stance, in comparison, is an arrogance. It views nature as a wilderness, man civilizes. The artist thus cultivates the field intent on planting his own image in lieu of the native trees. His social function becomes akin to that of a demigod and oracle.
((Any fundamental change in stance, of course, changes content. The aristocratic stance tends to produce predictable subjects. Form and content are distinct entities with the latter being poured into the former.
The democratic stance (or whatever you want to call it) erases this distinction: form is content. And content simply evolves.)) |
You related to Robert Pirsig by any chance?.....8>)
I keep hearing quality clanging around in my head when you "speak".
To me, there's a really defined point at which you morph from trying to accomplish your art/style/expression/"voice" to actually getting it and once you do, then it sort of acquires a life of its own.
Just about the time that people have been really expressing their interest and delight with my work was shortly after I got to a point where I care less about what others think than what I'm trying to convey. I am frankly amazed sometimes when someone really likes an image that I've done when to me, it falls into the category of being useless without the bachground story.
Recently a man bought an image of mine for a stupid amount of money and the salient points of it can't possibly be known without the background. But he didn't care.....he just really liked the image for how it spoke to him. I'm stunned and amused, but also proud that this image made such an impression.
It has helped me to understand that art truly is in the eye of the beholder. I also was quite amused to get a 5.3 for an image that I sold for a good bit recently as well.
I think that learning to be true to what you see and hear from your own work as it makes you feel helps you to derive the most pleasure from it. I have found much satisfaction in that way and have been producing better work because of it.
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01/31/2008 12:33:51 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
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Wazoo this picture is sweet where did you get it i wanna use it for my band. |
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01/31/2008 02:23:20 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by Jimbo_for_life:
Wazoo this picture is sweet where did you get it i wanna use it for my band. |
Right-click the image and select properties to see the url where it is hosted. IN this case it is //www.erdphotodesign.com/images/cupcake.png
R.
ETA: turns out that's Erick's own website. I assume he made the drawing himself.
Message edited by author 2008-01-31 02:25:55.
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02/01/2008 10:30:22 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by shutterpuppy:
By way of example - Let's say there is an unpaved courtyard where a group of people walk back and forth all day. This constant passage of people back and forth makes a pattern on the dirt of the courtyard that is quite pleasing to the eye and visually interesting. Is this art? I would say no. Now let's say that the people were walking back and forth across the courtyard with the intention of seeing what pattern would result? Is this art? I'd say yes. Is it "good" art. I don't know, I'd have to see it to judge. What if the people walked back and forth across the courtyard with no creative intent at all, but some photographer comes walking along and notices the cool pattern that the walking people have made and takes a picture. Is that art? Again, I'm willing to say yes. |
My example illustrated. I stumbled across this this morning and instantly thought of this thread and the example that I had used in the discussion above. It is by a Kenneth Tanaka, apparently a photographer who lives in my local area here in Chicago. Happy accidents!
Message edited by author 2008-02-01 10:30:52. |
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02/01/2008 10:59:26 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Jimbo_for_life:
Wazoo this picture is sweet where did you get it i wanna use it for my band. |
Right-click the image and select properties to see the url where it is hosted. IN this case it is //www.erdphotodesign.com/images/cupcake.png
R.
ETA: turns out that's Erick's own website. I assume he made the drawing himself. |
Well it was not me I swiped it off some forum but I did put it on my server so I would not be stealing the other sites bandwidth. I PM'd Jimbo with the info of where I got it. It is very funny |
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