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02/14/2008 12:06:59 PM · #1701 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
How in the world does one "acquire a boyfriend" in a matter of hours?? |
Originally posted by raish:
Looking like this might help... |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Ya know......Jelena's just cool, and I would hope it's more about that as the fact that she's gorgeous.
Gawd, don't be such a sexist pig!.....8>>) |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Appreciating beauty does not make you a sexist pig. :) |
That's true, but the suggestion was that her appearance had something to do with her being able to acquire a boyfriend in a matter of hours.
If I *really* thought Peter was at all like that, I wouldn't have razzed him.
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02/14/2008 12:16:05 PM · #1702 |
I think that once again, unfortunately a challenge description that does not go quite far enough is going to cause some problems. :(
For Panning the description was: Use the photo technique of panning to create an effective photograph.
My suggestion would have been Use the photo technique of panning to create an effective photograph by using it to separate your subject from the background.
I am seeing quite a few shots where I am sure the photographer was likely panning with the subject, but still using a shutter speed which freezes the background as well as the subject. This makes it impossible to tell if panning was actually used, as well as not giving the blurred background effect that is usually associated with the idea of panning with the subject.
For example, here is a photo of mine from Advertisement where I too, was panning with the subject.  I would never consider entering it for a panning challenge though because I was purposely using a high shutter speed and was only panning to try and get the subject in the frame (a "framing technique"), not as a "photo technique". I have similar photos from the same day which I did not pan, and just fired off a few frames while not moving the camera, and got the exact same type of result.
So I think some entrants will be disappointed to get a lot of dnmc because the panning is not obvious due to a high shutter speed. Then there are a few which are in great focus, and of an obviously moving subject, which are also using a high shutter speed that will likely score well because it is obvious the subject was moving, but does not really meet the spirit of the challenge because the panning (if there was any panning done, which you cannot tell) did not add anything to the photograph, like in my example photo where you cannot tell I panned.
Message edited by author 2008-02-14 12:23:42.
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02/14/2008 12:17:55 PM · #1703 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Melethia:
How in the world does one "acquire a boyfriend" in a matter of hours?? |
Originally posted by raish:
Looking like this might help... |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Ya know......Jelena's just cool, and I would hope it's more about that as the fact that she's gorgeous.
Gawd, don't be such a sexist pig!.....8>>) |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Appreciating beauty does not make you a sexist pig. :) |
That's true, but the suggestion was that her appearance had something to do with her being able to acquire a boyfriend in a matter of hours.
If I *really* thought Peter was at all like that, I wouldn't have razzed him. |
Ok, makes sense now. I did not realize that your post mentioning sexist pig was referring to his post. I thought you were referring to your own comment above the sexist pig line. :)
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02/14/2008 12:20:00 PM · #1704 |
edit due to my stupidity of not just editing my original, instead I replied to it....
Message edited by author 2008-02-14 12:21:19.
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02/14/2008 12:28:19 PM · #1705 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
I am seeing quite a few shots where I am sure the photographer was likely panning with the subject, but still using a shutter speed which freezes the background as well as the subject. This makes it impossible to tell if panning was actually used, as well as not giving the blurred background effect that is usually associated with the idea of panning with the subject.
So I think some entrants will be disappointed to get a lot of dnmc because the panning is not obvious due to a high shutter speed. Then there are a few which are in great focus, and of an obviously moving subject, which are also using a high shutter speed that will likely score well because it is obvious the subject was moving, but does not really meet the spirit of the challenge because the panning (if there was any panning done, which you cannot tell) did not add anything to the photograph, like in my example photo where you cannot tell I panned. |
What's funny is that I seem to recall someone, somewhere, making a comment about people being confused about the difference between panning and motion blur.
Just for the record, count me in that category.
Wouldn't they be the same in many ways?
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02/14/2008 12:32:08 PM · #1706 |
Aww, thanks, you guys are so sweet :D
I'll go with the vast armies of trained lemurs explanation, cause it's fun :)
Though in reality there was fire involved too :p
One of these days I'll train some lemurs to spin fire, it would look so cool in photos! :) |
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02/14/2008 12:32:46 PM · #1707 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
How in the world does one "acquire a boyfriend" in a matter of hours?? |
Originally posted by raish:
Looking like this might help... |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Ya know......Jelena's just cool, and I would hope it's more about that as the fact that she's gorgeous.
Gawd, don't be such a sexist pig!.....8>>) |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Appreciating beauty does not make you a sexist pig. :) |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
That's true, but the suggestion was that her appearance had something to do with her being able to acquire a boyfriend in a matter of hours.
If I *really* thought Peter was at all like that, I wouldn't have razzed him. |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Ok, makes sense now. I did not realize that your post mentioning sexist pig was referring to his post. I thought you were referring to your own comment above the sexist pig line. :) |
You thought I was calling myself a sexist pig for calling Jelena gorgeous?
That *IS* funny!
There is IMO a quite distinct line between appreciation and admiration as opposed to lust and depravity.
Women are people , first and foremost.
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02/14/2008 12:34:21 PM · #1708 |
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
Aww, thanks, you guys are so sweet :D
I'll go with the vast armies of trained lemurs explanation, cause it's fun :)
Though in reality there was fire involved too :p
One of these days I'll train some lemurs to spin fire, it would look so cool in photos! :) |
Okay.....if they're not trained to spin fire now, what *DO* they do? Cook? Clean?? Laundry??? Wave palm fronds????
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02/14/2008 12:35:32 PM · #1709 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by basssman7:
I am seeing quite a few shots where I am sure the photographer was likely panning with the subject, but still using a shutter speed which freezes the background as well as the subject. This makes it impossible to tell if panning was actually used, as well as not giving the blurred background effect that is usually associated with the idea of panning with the subject.
So I think some entrants will be disappointed to get a lot of dnmc because the panning is not obvious due to a high shutter speed. Then there are a few which are in great focus, and of an obviously moving subject, which are also using a high shutter speed that will likely score well because it is obvious the subject was moving, but does not really meet the spirit of the challenge because the panning (if there was any panning done, which you cannot tell) did not add anything to the photograph, like in my example photo where you cannot tell I panned. |
What's funny is that I seem to recall someone, somewhere, making a comment about people being confused about the difference between panning and motion blur.
Just for the record, count me in that category.
Wouldn't they be the same in many ways? |
Yes, except that motion blur can also be created the opposite way. Not moving the camera and using a shutter speed that allows your moving subject to blur, while the background is in focus since it is not moving. There is no panning with the camera to achieve that, but it is still motion blur.
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02/14/2008 12:37:00 PM · #1710 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
What's funny is that I seem to recall someone, somewhere, making a comment about people being confused about the difference between panning and motion blur.
Just for the record, count me in that category.
Wouldn't they be the same in many ways? |
Both require a slower shutter speed than one that would freeze motion, but basically
panning - camera moving
motion blur - subject moving relative to camera
So you can get motion blur, by panning, or you could get motion blur with a fixed camera and a subject moving in front of you.
static subject, static camera - no blur
static subject, moving camera - panning/ all blur
moving subject, static camera - motion blur + static background
moving subject, moving camera - panning, motion blur background, static or more static subject (or more blurred if you pan against the motion)
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02/14/2008 12:37:42 PM · #1711 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
You thought I was calling myself a sexist pig for calling Jelena gorgeous?
That *IS* funny!
There is IMO a quite distinct line between appreciation and admiration as opposed to lust and depravity.
Women are people , first and foremost. |
Yes, that is why I came to your own defence against yourself. LOL
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02/14/2008 12:41:29 PM · #1712 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
Aww, thanks, you guys are so sweet :D
I'll go with the vast armies of trained lemurs explanation, cause it's fun :)
Though in reality there was fire involved too :p
One of these days I'll train some lemurs to spin fire, it would look so cool in photos! :) |
Okay.....if they're not trained to spin fire now, what *DO* they do? Cook? Clean?? Laundry??? Wave palm fronds???? |
Freelance modelling... Bits of shopping... Picking fruit from trees on demand... They make nice soft pillows too :)
And they make good armies because:
a) Nobody could hurt something as cute as a lemur, and
b) Because of the level of surrealist confusion caused by a sudden lemur invasion :) |
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02/14/2008 12:43:37 PM · #1713 |
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
One of these days I'll train some lemurs to spin fire, it would look so cool in photos! :) |
I have a bad vision of seeing a flaming lemur running around in desperation looking for water to jump into!
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02/14/2008 12:47:47 PM · #1714 |
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
And they make good armies because:
a) Nobody could hurt something as cute as a lemur, and
b) Because of the level of surrealist confusion caused by a sudden lemur invasion :) |
Army of Lemurs + spinning fire + flinging poo = flaming bombardment??
FEAR!!
I, for one, welcome our new Lemur Overlords! |
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02/14/2008 12:48:27 PM · #1715 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
One of these days I'll train some lemurs to spin fire, it would look so cool in photos! :) |
I have a bad vision of seeing a flaming lemur running around in desperation looking for water to jump into! |
Aww O_O
I'd train them well, I promise! |
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02/14/2008 01:30:29 PM · #1716 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
What's funny is that I seem to recall someone, somewhere, making a comment about people being confused about the difference between panning and motion blur.
Just for the record, count me in that category.
Wouldn't they be the same in many ways? |
Both require a slower shutter speed than one that would freeze motion, but basically
panning - camera moving
motion blur - subject moving relative to camera
So you can get motion blur, by panning, or you could get motion blur with a fixed camera and a subject moving in front of you.
static subject, static camera - no blur
static subject, moving camera - panning/ all blur
moving subject, static camera - motion blur + static background
moving subject, moving camera - panning, motion blur background, static or more static subject (or more blurred if you pan against the motion) |
I have to say this is an excellent summary. Anyone inclined to DNMC some panning entries should take note. |
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02/14/2008 01:37:37 PM · #1717 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
What's funny is that I seem to recall someone, somewhere, making a comment about people being confused about the difference between panning and motion blur.
Just for the record, count me in that category.
Wouldn't they be the same in many ways? |
Both require a slower shutter speed than one that would freeze motion, but basically
panning - camera moving
motion blur - subject moving relative to camera
So you can get motion blur, by panning, or you could get motion blur with a fixed camera and a subject moving in front of you.
static subject, static camera - no blur
static subject, moving camera - panning/ all blur
moving subject, static camera - motion blur + static background
moving subject, moving camera - panning, motion blur background, static or more static subject (or more blurred if you pan against the motion) |
I have to say this is an excellent summary. Anyone inclined to DNMC some panning entries should take note. |
I agree it is an excellent summary. However I think it will ADD to the number of DNMC entries, because of all the reasons I mentioned in my original post. :) (ie someone panning but using to fast of a shutter speed so it does not appear they were panning because there is no blurred background)
That being said, if your shutter speed is to fast to show the effect of the pan, then it really is DNMC anyways because the challenge stated to use the "photographic technique", which the purpose of is to blur the background, making the subject stand out more.
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02/14/2008 01:45:25 PM · #1718 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
I agree it is an excellent summary. However I think it will ADD to the number of DNMC entries, because of all the reasons I mentioned in my original post. :) (ie someone panning but using to fast of a shutter speed so it does not appear they were panning because there is no blurred background)
That being said, if your shutter speed is to fast to show the effect of the pan, then it really is DNMC anyways because the challenge stated to use the "photographic technique", which the purpose of is to blur the background, making the subject stand out more. |
I respectfully disagree. The fact of a technique is different from any purpose to which it may be put. The panning technique is the movement of the camera in a lateral motion (irrespective of further considerations of shutter speed, aperture, etc.). The purpose you describe certainly is a result option for the technique, but it is not the only one. |
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02/14/2008 02:08:46 PM · #1719 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
then it really is DNMC anyways because the challenge stated to use the "photographic technique", which the purpose of is to blur the background, making the subject stand out more. |
though that's only one definition of what panning is - there's nothing that says panning is only about 'making a subject stand out more' Mind you, there's nothing that says it has to be in a lateral motion, either. Some of the best panned shots I've seen follow the head through a pitcher's pitch - the camera goes back and forth and up and down through that motion, but it's still a pan.
Message edited by author 2008-02-14 14:10:08.
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02/14/2008 02:18:59 PM · #1720 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
Originally posted by basssman7:
I agree it is an excellent summary. However I think it will ADD to the number of DNMC entries, because of all the reasons I mentioned in my original post. :) (ie someone panning but using to fast of a shutter speed so it does not appear they were panning because there is no blurred background)
That being said, if your shutter speed is to fast to show the effect of the pan, then it really is DNMC anyways because the challenge stated to use the "photographic technique", which the purpose of is to blur the background, making the subject stand out more. |
I respectfully disagree. The fact of a technique is different from any purpose to which it may be put. The panning technique is the movement of the camera in a lateral motion (irrespective of further considerations of shutter speed, aperture, etc.). The purpose you describe certainly is a result option for the technique, but it is not the only one. |
:) And this is where the fun begins! I hear where you are coming from, but the challenge says "Use the photo technique of panning to create an effective photograph." I would say that a "photo technique" is something that effects the photo (like having a blurred background) whereas if you use a high shutter speed combined with panning as I did in my sample photo, it is a "framing technique". What is the purpose of having a challenge to demonstrate a "photo technique" if it is not visible in the photo?
quote from "digital photography school" (www.digital-photography-school.com) The basic idea behind panning as a technique is that you pan your camera along in time with the moving subject and end up getting a relatively sharp subject but a blurred background.
or from the last DPC panning challenge: In photography, panning is a technique used to suggest fast motion and bring out foreground from background. Use this panning technique to create your submission.
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02/14/2008 02:23:14 PM · #1721 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by basssman7:
then it really is DNMC anyways because the challenge stated to use the "photographic technique", which the purpose of is to blur the background, making the subject stand out more. |
though that's only one definition of what panning is - there's nothing that says panning is only about 'making a subject stand out more' Mind you, there's nothing that says it has to be in a lateral motion, either. Some of the best panned shots I've seen follow the head through a pitcher's pitch - the camera goes back and forth and up and down through that motion, but it's still a pan. |
I do not recall saying anything about lateral motion versed up/down etc.
As for there being nothing about making the subject stand out more... if you cannot tell a "technique" was used, (because if you are not blurring the background then you could get the same result just by using a high shutter speed and waiting for the subject to enter frame and snap the pic) what would the purpose of having a challenge to demonstrate it be?
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02/14/2008 02:28:03 PM · #1722 |
I did not intend, nor will I, argue with anyone about panning.
I am sorry I brought it up, I will just keep my mouth shut from now on. :(
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02/14/2008 02:34:15 PM · #1723 |
| Ernie, there's nothing wrong with a bit of discussion, even if after all of it we still don't change our respective positions. There is no need at all to "keep your mouth shut". Team Suck is a place of varied views, and rightly so! Cheers, :) |
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02/14/2008 02:38:50 PM · #1724 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
I did not intend, nor will I, argue with anyone about panning.
I am sorry I brought it up, I will just keep my mouth shut from now on. :( |
Alternative panning:
Originally posted by Jimbo:
It's hard for me to clean this giant pot when you keep spilling meat tenderizer all over me.
Oh, great, now I gotta work in the dark. |
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02/14/2008 02:39:35 PM · #1725 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
I do not recall saying anything about lateral motion versed up/down etc. |
but the other person who responded to you, did.
Originally posted by basssman7:
As for there being nothing about making the subject stand out more... if you cannot tell a "technique" was used, (because if you are not blurring the background then you could get the same result just by using a high shutter speed and waiting for the subject to enter frame and snap the pic) what would the purpose of having a challenge to demonstrate it be? |
You could blur the background Or you could blur the background and blur the subject even more. Or you could blur the non-moving subject and non-moving background equally.
All perfectly valid uses of panning. Liable to get panned though.
As two examples, consider //www.craigtannercreative.com/lightdiary/?p=218 or //www.craigtannercreative.com/lightdiary/?p=221
I'd say those were both examples of panning - the camera is moving through the shots, the subjects don't stand out more from the background as a result.
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