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12/28/2007 12:07:32 AM · #251 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Is it just me or is there a real contentious air about the challenges lately?
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Unfortunately even that does not seem to change things.
Oh well, I can't change it, so pass me a beer.
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12/28/2007 12:53:16 AM · #252 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Contrasting your subject with the rest of the image ... isn't that what we do with just about every shot (well, other than the Image without Subject challenge)? I think this will be just another free study. |
Is it just me or is there a real contentious air about the challenges lately? |
Not from me, Jeb. I've enjoyed the recent challenges, actually. I was just saying that particular challenge seems to me to be like a free study.
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12/28/2007 06:25:49 AM · #253 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Contrasting your subject with the rest of the image ... isn't that what we do with just about every shot (well, other than the Image without Subject challenge)? I think this will be just another free study. |
Is it just me or is there a real contentious air about the challenges lately? |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Not from me, Jeb. I've enjoyed the recent challenges, actually. I was just saying that particular challenge seems to me to be like a free study. |
It just seemed to me that there's been an inordinate amount of carping about challenge details lately.
I guess it just cycled back around......LOL!!!
I have finally gotten to the point that if I don't like the description, I don't enter.....there'll be a whole new slew of 'em next week!
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12/28/2007 07:30:32 AM · #254 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I have finally gotten to the point that if I don't like the description, I don't enter.....there'll be a whole new slew of 'em next week! |
I have started to feel a little that way myself. But then I remind myself that if I only enter the comfortable challenges, its not much of a challenge anymore. It is the difficult or uncomfortable challenge that brings me growth as a photographer. Just another way of saying 'no pain, no gain'. |
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12/28/2007 09:30:38 AM · #255 |
I have a shot that I think meets the Isolation thing but am not sure anyone else will think so, nor does it make my toes tingle. It's kinda cool. It's a shot. I may enter it. The Fire and Ice thing, though... I don't have either handy, other than ice cubes at the chow hall. And I don't think starting a fire somewhere here is a particularly good idea. Were it still summer, I could think of a thing or two to try, but it is now very pleasant and in fact cold at night. (Have I mentioned the heater that sounds like a jet aircraft??)
I like shooting for challenges, though. Like Julianne says - it gets us out there and makes us think. :-) |
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12/28/2007 10:05:02 AM · #256 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I have a shot that I think meets the Isolation thing but am not sure anyone else will think so, nor does it make my toes tingle. It's kinda cool. It's a shot. I may enter it. The Fire and Ice thing, though... I don't have either handy, other than ice cubes at the chow hall. And I don't think starting a fire somewhere here is a particularly good idea. Were it still summer, I could think of a thing or two to try, but it is now very pleasant and in fact cold at night. (Have I mentioned the heater that sounds like a jet aircraft??)
I like shooting for challenges, though. Like Julianne says - it gets us out there and makes us think. :-) |
That's an interesting shooting dilemma to be in, Deb! Right now we got lotsa ice and fire at home to keep warm by. Maybe ask a kitchen person to flambee some cherries jubilee for you? Or give you some icecubes to play with (before they melt)?
And Juli, glad I was able to cheer you up and didn't make too dumb a comment on your Xmas entry. |
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12/28/2007 10:29:06 AM · #257 |
*wandering back in again* Hate to whine, esp as so many others out there are having their own serious problems with family etc now, but right now I am so lonely and frustrated with the whole is-he-or-isn't-he-into-me? thing that it's driving me absolutely insane.
I do have female friends to talk to, but they're all scattered far and wide, and living in a small town does mean that word gets around fast if you're seen with someone...I think that's part of the reason this guy's vacillating so much.
But nor do I want to have to drive 50km to see someone, and distance was a huge factor in the demise of my last relationship. And many city types don't 'get' country life...*sigh*
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12/28/2007 11:08:01 AM · #258 |
Lea and Deb, hang in there. Its tough, especially when you are away. But you two are in my thoughts.
Snaffles, hang in there too. Time will tell. I know that is not particularly helpful right now. But it is a life lesson. You're a fantastic person and sometime soon he'll know for sure. |
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12/28/2007 11:15:23 AM · #259 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
*wandering back in again* Hate to whine, esp as so many others out there are having their own serious problems with family etc now, but right now I am so lonely and frustrated with the whole is-he-or-isn't-he-into-me? thing that it's driving me absolutely insane.
I do have female friends to talk to, but they're all scattered far and wide, and living in a small town does mean that word gets around fast if you're seen with someone...I think that's part of the reason this guy's vacillating so much.
But nor do I want to have to drive 50km to see someone, and distance was a huge factor in the demise of my last relationship. And many city types don't 'get' country life...*sigh* |
Don't discount a guy just due to distance, Snaffles.
When DH and I met - we lived ~ 85KM apart. I had no vehicle, phone, or internet access. And yet - somehow - we managed to get it together enough to not only have a relationship, but to eventually marry and have our beautiful children.
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12/28/2007 11:53:32 AM · #260 |
| Hey all I might not say much but I come everyday to the Oasis to see how you all are doing. I have been home a week now and got the 13 staples out of my back yesterday and will have a nice scar. No bending lifting or twisting for the next five weeks. I don't get to drive either. I want to give my husband sainthood he has been so good. Hopefully I'll be able to get out and take some pictures soon. I hope that everyone has a great new year, and that 2008 brings goodness to all. |
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12/28/2007 12:09:50 PM · #261 |
| Hey Rosemary! Glad to hear things are going well. Does your husband like power tools? Some sort of other nifty toy? I'd say he deserves a trip to wherever to get something new to play with. :-) |
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12/28/2007 12:19:19 PM · #262 |
I must have missed it - what did you have done to your back Rosemary ? 13 staples sounds HUGE.
I hope you're healing well.
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12/28/2007 01:12:08 PM · #263 |
Originally posted by kashi:
I must have missed it - what did you have done to your back Rosemary ? 13 staples sounds HUGE.
I hope you're healing well. |
I had a Laminectomy, they cleaned out the spinal column. This will help with movement once I'm all healed. |
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12/28/2007 01:39:58 PM · #264 |
Originally posted by cosprenks:
Originally posted by kashi:
I must have missed it - what did you have done to your back Rosemary ? 13 staples sounds HUGE.
I hope you're healing well. |
I had a Laminectomy, they cleaned out the spinal column. This will help with movement once I'm all healed. |
I had that done a few years ago. I hope it helps you, it didn't seem to help my back much. I feel for you! Hope you heal up fast! |
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12/28/2007 02:12:06 PM · #265 |
| Susan, I wish I could cheer you up. Holidays are a hard time to be alone. Horses are nice, but can't take the place of a BF. I'll send positive thoughts your way. |
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12/28/2007 02:37:35 PM · #266 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
*wandering back in again* Hate to whine, esp as so many others out there are having their own serious problems with family etc now, but right now I am so lonely and frustrated with the whole is-he-or-isn't-he-into-me? thing that it's driving me absolutely insane.
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May I suggest taking the bold approach and just asking him out or making a move on him? Perhaps he is just a shy guy like me, and has trouble reading the signals from a woman. I cannot picture him not be interested, you are an intelligent, kind, beautiful woman after all. If I was not 300km away I would certainly be wanting to get to know you better. ;)
I am sending you that snail mail today that we discussed, but it is going regular mail so it might take a week or so to get there.
Stay positive.
Ernie
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12/28/2007 02:44:21 PM · #267 |
Interesting, the first place BITE photo was disco'd. Now the one in 3rd place is one of the photos which I was ranting about, LOL.
How is that shot "everyday"? It is a shot that was set up by the photographer. While it is an interesting still life photo, it certainly is not BITE, and also not even close to ribbon worthy.
In a free study, against other shots where the other photogs were free to shoot what they want, this shot would be a 5.5 at best. However since most of the entries in this challenge were photogs trying to meet the challenge, it gets a ribbon.
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12/28/2007 03:33:02 PM · #268 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Interesting, the first place BITE photo was disco'd. Now the one in 3rd place is one of the photos which I was ranting about, LOL.
How is that shot "everyday"? It is a shot that was set up by the photographer. While it is an interesting still life photo, it certainly is not BITE, and also not even close to ribbon worthy. |
I don't agree with that. I don't see anything in the concept of wabi-sabi that precludes setting up your composition. And the image is very oriental, which I am sure the viewers were relating to. A simple bowl, an autumn leaf, it's like a visual haiku.
Do I think it should have a ribbon instead of:
 
No... But that's just my opinion. I think there are a LOT of entries in this challenge that totally miss the wabi-sabi criterion (including my own, because I wasn't thinking about that part until the challenge was already up to voting, and just did the "ordinary beauty part), but this isn't one of them.
R.
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12/28/2007 04:07:16 PM · #269 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by basssman7:
Interesting, the first place BITE photo was disco'd. Now the one in 3rd place is one of the photos which I was ranting about, LOL.
How is that shot "everyday"? It is a shot that was set up by the photographer. While it is an interesting still life photo, it certainly is not BITE, and also not even close to ribbon worthy. |
I don't agree with that. I don't see anything in the concept of wabi-sabi that precludes setting up your composition. And the image is very oriental, which I am sure the viewers were relating to. A simple bowl, an autumn leaf, it's like a visual haiku.
Do I think it should have a ribbon instead of:
No... But that's just my opinion. I think there are a LOT of entries in this challenge that totally miss the wabi-sabi criterion (including my own, because I wasn't thinking about that part until the challenge was already up to voting, and just did the "ordinary beauty part), but this isn't one of them.
R. |
Ernie,
I think it's advice that's been given, but I wouldn't obsess about what wins. We're not here on Team Suck because we obsess about the winners. Instead, we do things like find the interesting shots, the ones out of the box, and let them know they have an audience here, people who appreciate their efforts and their art.
Here's a suggestion for you: Look through the entries for BITE, find the ones you like (or that you think should have ribboned), and tell them what you like about them. Don't tell them that you think they should have ribboned (that's too easy and can look too flippant); instead, look at the images and tell them why they reach you. The positive energy you get from truly looking at and explaining your feelings and reactions to something you like will quickly overwhelm the frustrations you're feeling and you'll hopefully start to move in your own artistic direction (rather than fighting with the entity that is DPC).
By the way, I pretty much agree with everything Robert said (not that that's unusual or anything).
For everyone who is dealing with loss, love, life, family, and well, life, I am thinking of you many times each day.
Best,
Bruce
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12/28/2007 04:12:19 PM · #270 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I don't agree with that. I don't see anything in the concept of wabi-sabi that precludes setting up your composition. And the image is very oriental, which I am sure the viewers were relating to. A simple bowl, an autumn leaf, it's like a visual haiku.
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Well, by your definition of my not taking the Wabi-Sabi into account, and only the BITE part, you are doing the opposite. Because if the bowl and leaf are in fact ok for Wabi-Sabi, they are certainly not BITE, because it is totally staged. Either way you look at it, it is definately DNMC. If you believe that wabi-sabi and BITE are not congruent, then it is once again the challenge description that causes the problem. The two should have been two separate challenges.
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12/28/2007 04:20:11 PM · #271 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I don't agree with that. I don't see anything in the concept of wabi-sabi that precludes setting up your composition. And the image is very oriental, which I am sure the viewers were relating to. A simple bowl, an autumn leaf, it's like a visual haiku.
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Well, by your definition of my not taking the Wabi-Sabi into account, and only the BITE part, you are doing the opposite. Because if the bowl and leaf are in fact ok for Wabi-Sabi, they are certainly not BITE, because it is totally staged. Either way you look at it, it is definately DNMC. If you believe that wabi-sabi and BITE are not congruent, then it is once again the challenge description that causes the problem. The two should have been two separate challenges. |
There are other ways to see this, Ernie; it's a leaf -- leaves are seen every day. In a pan -- pans are seen every day. On a counter or surface that is imperfect -- imperfect surfaces are seen every day. Is it the putting together that makes it not every day for you? It doesn't do that to me; it's still every day for me, and wonderfully beautiful. As Robert suggested, as well, it's very much wabi sabi to me.
I'm still not sure why this bothers you so much, but I really would try to focus on all the stuff there is here to love on DPC, rather than the stuff that drives you round the twist (one of the better sayings I've adopted while living in the UK). Find a new member whose work you like and make a bunch of comments; go look at Raish's work, or Don's, or Deb's, or heck, any team sucker, and leave some comments for people who really love what they've created; look for that thing that you really should have photographed years ago but still haven't, and give it the time it deserves.
Just some suggestions . . .
Best,
Bruce
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12/28/2007 04:30:16 PM · #272 |
Sorry for the back to back posts, but can the poets here recommend a place online for a poetry hack to go and play? Someplace that will be kind but helpful (if such a place exists)?
Thanks,
Bruce
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12/28/2007 04:46:56 PM · #273 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I don't agree with that. I don't see anything in the concept of wabi-sabi that precludes setting up your composition. And the image is very oriental, which I am sure the viewers were relating to. A simple bowl, an autumn leaf, it's like a visual haiku.
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Well, by your definition of my not taking the Wabi-Sabi into account, and only the BITE part, you are doing the opposite. Because if the bowl and leaf are in fact ok for Wabi-Sabi, they are certainly not BITE, because it is totally staged. Either way you look at it, it is definately DNMC. If you believe that wabi-sabi and BITE are not congruent, then it is once again the challenge description that causes the problem. The two should have been two separate challenges. |
Ernie, in reply to your concern about the staging of the image...
As Rob has mentioned, the fact that a shot has or has not been staged IMO does not make the subject of the shot any more or less "everyday" - the simple/plain bowl and the leaf are everyday objects, and they are arranged artfully in a way that expresses their "plain" beauty.
Personally, I don't equate "everyday" as "not staged" or "only as you find it"...I believe there should be some latitude for creative interpretation of a challenge (i.e., in this case, a "staged" composition).
My shot for BITE - there was a branch in the way of the two sets of berries I wanted to highlight, so I moved it out of the way for the shot. Did I stage the shot, thereby? Does it disqualify my shot now that you know what I did? I had in mind a particular composition, and so I made an alteration to the scene in front of me that helped me achieve what I had in mind.
Just trying to get across an alternate view of the situation...
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12/28/2007 05:01:07 PM · #274 |
Originally posted by rheverly:
Sorry for the back to back posts, but can the poets here recommend a place online for a poetry hack to go and play? Someplace that will be kind but helpful (if such a place exists)?
Thanks,
Bruce |
haiku
Links from Don's site |
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12/28/2007 10:28:08 PM · #275 |
Plans for the new year? What does everyone have on their wish list?
I have the following:
Better health for family and friends.
See my cats!
A bath. A LONG hot bath, followed by warm fuzzy jammies and slippers, and a cup of espresso (with dark chocolate in it) and an evening on my comfy couch with a fire going in the fireplace.
Travel. To the US to visit family, throughout Germany to see more of it, to the UK to see parts of it. Maybe the GTG in Canada this summer, but not sure on that yet.
Pavement. Glorious, flat, man-made pavement. I'll take ashphalt, cement, brick, or cobblestone.
A new lens. Haven't decided which yet.
To be able to wear civilian clothes and civilian SHOES.
To watch fellow Suckers continue to delight me with their unique vision. :-) |
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