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04/03/2008 09:27:29 PM · #376 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
This is very true. Any of you may want to find reasons why you will not vote for either Democratic candidate, but the reality is that if you want another 4 years of Bush policies, including a hundred more years in Iraq, tax relief for the rich, suppression of any hope for real renewable energy developments, a failing economy, and the stranglehold of special interests on our government (to mention a few), vote republican. Otherwise, you have no choice but to vote Democrat. --Jim Roussos |
Wow, talk about taking something out of context. Have you actually heard what McCain said about being in Iraq, or are you just listening to what Obama told you he said.
Let me ask you this. Why is everyone so concerned about having troops in Iraq? If it is so bad then why aren't they jumping up and down demanding that our troops leave Japan. A country we have been in for the last 63 years! How long have we had troops in Germany? uh, 63 years again! Oh wait, I am in Korea right now. Why aren't we concerned about leaving Korea. A country we have been in for 58 years!
Yes, McCain said that we could have troops in Iraq for a hundred years. but he also siad, "as long as they are not being killed."
Why shouldn't the US pursue a base in Iraq as we have them in Germany, Japan and Korea? Aren't the needs for peace and stability their as good as they are in Europe and Asia? We had troops in Saudi Arabia for years after the first Gulf War. I don't remembr the democratic presidnet of 8 years vowing to bring those troops home. In fact, I remember being forward deployed by that very president into Kuwait to put me closer to Iraq. Have the Deomocrats pulled us out of Germany, Japan, and Korea? Nope, sure haven't. You think maybe they just say they will pull the troops out of Iraq because it is what you want to hear?
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass?
Message edited by author 2008-04-03 21:28:13.
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04/03/2008 09:27:52 PM · #377 |
I am amazed that some people still believe some of the things that you listed. I particular enjoy the half-truths and failures of logic.
The bottom line for me: Public service is supposed to be a privilege. It is not supposed to be for personal gain or anything other than altruism and love for one's country. With that defined then respect is earned not guaranteed. George Bush will be recognized as the worst president in the history of the nation, I believe. His actions were ruinous. |
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04/03/2008 09:31:37 PM · #378 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
If the Bush administration has failed so miserably then why hasn't congress done what they need to do to correct things? Isn't that the whole purpose of Checks and Balances? |
It's hard to carry out oversight when you're kept in the dark about what's really going on.
For six of the past seven years the majority in Congress has yielded to the Administration's insistence that it be left alone to do whatever it wants. This Administration's avowed principle of governance the "Unitary Executive" theory, which clearly undermines the "three co-equal branches" the Founders had in mind, and has the explicit intent of removing the Executive from the oversight of the Congress.
Why should I respect someone who has lied, thrown us into an unjust and unneeded war, enriched his friends at the expense of the working populace and the public purse, and come perilously close to bankrupting the nation? When has anything this Administration has predicted or proposed turned out to be correct? |
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04/03/2008 09:32:16 PM · #379 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
The bottom line is you may not like policies, you may not like decisions that are made and that is fine. We all know you can't please everyone all of the time. But when you don't like these things, criticize those policies and decisions. Don't be so crass as to insult the leader of our country. You many not have voted for him, you may not like him, but have some respect for what this country is. Have some respect for the institution of the presidency. Complain about what you don't agree with, not the people you don't agree with. |
Well said!
Originally posted by jrjr:
... George Bush will be recognized as the worst president in the history of the nation, I believe. His actions were ruinous. |
Only history will be the judge, not the now and not us! |
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04/03/2008 09:36:37 PM · #380 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Originally posted by jrjr:
This is very true. Any of you may want to find reasons why you will not vote for either Democratic candidate, but the reality is that if you want another 4 years of Bush policies, including a hundred more years in Iraq, tax relief for the rich, suppression of any hope for real renewable energy developments, a failing economy, and the stranglehold of special interests on our government (to mention a few), vote republican. Otherwise, you have no choice but to vote Democrat. --Jim Roussos |
Wow, talk about taking something out of context. Have you actually heard what McCain said about being in Iraq, or are you just listening to what Obama told you he said.
Let me ask you this. Why is everyone so concerned about having troops in Iraq? If it is so bad then why aren't they jumping up and down demanding that our troops leave Japan. A country we have been in for the last 63 years! How long have we had troops in Germany? uh, 63 years again! Oh wait, I am in Korea right now. Why aren't we concerned about leaving Korea. A country we have been in for 58 years!
Yes, McCain said that we could have troops in Iraq for a hundred years. but he also siad, "as long as they are not being killed."
Why shouldn't the US pursue a base in Iraq as we have them in Germany, Japan and Korea? Aren't the needs for peace and stability their as good as they are in Europe and Asia? We had troops in Saudi Arabia for years after the first Gulf War. I don't remembr the democratic presidnet of 8 years vowing to bring those troops home. In fact, I remember being forward deployed by that very president into Kuwait to put me closer to Iraq. Have the Deomocrats pulled us out of Germany, Japan, and Korea? Nope, sure haven't. You think maybe they just say they will pull the troops out of Iraq because it is what you want to hear?
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass? |
Oh but I do want us to leave many of the countries that you list. We cannot be the policemen of the world. If we really were the unbiased enforcers of truth and justice, we would be in Darfour, Congo and any number of other horrible places around the globe. Fact is we never should have entered Iraq. Fact is we should have entered Afganistan, found Bin Laden and eliminated the Taliban. Instead we entered Afghanistan but forgot why. We cannot be trusted to be the police with the like of Bush running the show. |
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04/03/2008 09:37:34 PM · #381 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
If the Bush administration has failed so miserably then why hasn't congress done what they need to do to correct things? Isn't that the whole purpose of Checks and Balances? |
It's hard to carry out oversight when you're kept in the dark about what's really going on.
For six of the past seven years the majority in Congress has yielded to the Administration's insistence that it be left alone to do whatever it wants. This Administration's avowed principle of governance the "Unitary Executive" theory, which clearly undermines the "three co-equal branches" the Founders had in mind, and has the explicit intent of removing the Executive from the oversight of the Congress.
Why should I respect someone who has lied, thrown us into an unjust and unneeded war, enriched his friends at the expense of the working populace and the public purse, and come perilously close to bankrupting the nation? When has anything this Administration has predicted or proposed turned out to be correct? |
In response to the line in bold --
Everyone on here seems to know all the details needed to make the decisions that are "right;" I should think that Congress could do at least as well as "us." |
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04/03/2008 09:42:43 PM · #382 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Originally posted by jrjr:
This is very true. Any of you may want to find reasons why you will not vote for either Democratic candidate, but the reality is that if you want another 4 years of Bush policies, including a hundred more years in Iraq, tax relief for the rich, suppression of any hope for real renewable energy developments, a failing economy, and the stranglehold of special interests on our government (to mention a few), vote republican. Otherwise, you have no choice but to vote Democrat. --Jim Roussos |
Wow, talk about taking something out of context. Have you actually heard what McCain said about being in Iraq, or are you just listening to what Obama told you he said.
Let me ask you this. Why is everyone so concerned about having troops in Iraq? If it is so bad then why aren't they jumping up and down demanding that our troops leave Japan. A country we have been in for the last 63 years! How long have we had troops in Germany? uh, 63 years again! Oh wait, I am in Korea right now. Why aren't we concerned about leaving Korea. A country we have been in for 58 years!
Yes, McCain said that we could have troops in Iraq for a hundred years. but he also siad, "as long as they are not being killed."
Why shouldn't the US pursue a base in Iraq as we have them in Germany, Japan and Korea? Aren't the needs for peace and stability their as good as they are in Europe and Asia? We had troops in Saudi Arabia for years after the first Gulf War. I don't remembr the democratic presidnet of 8 years vowing to bring those troops home. In fact, I remember being forward deployed by that very president into Kuwait to put me closer to Iraq. Have the Deomocrats pulled us out of Germany, Japan, and Korea? Nope, sure haven't. You think maybe they just say they will pull the troops out of Iraq because it is what you want to hear?
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass? |
Oh but I do want us to leave many of the countries that you list. We cannot be the policemen of the world. If we really were the unbiased enforcers of truth and justice, we would be in Darfour, Congo and any number of other horrible places around the globe. Fact is we never should have entered Iraq. Fact is we should have entered Afganistan, found Bin Laden and eliminated the Taliban. Instead we entered Afghanistan but forgot why. We cannot be trusted to be the police with the like of Bush running the show. |
If you want us to leave the countries I mentioned, then why aren't you supporting a Presidential Candidate that is willing to pull us out of those countries. Because it is easier to pick and choose what you want to stand up for.
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04/03/2008 09:43:50 PM · #383 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
Oh and just as important.
VOTE AGAINST ALL CONGRESSIONAL INCUMBENTS, regardless of party affiliation. Year after year, we re-elect our own home-state Senators and Representatives because while we think Congress is doing a terrible job we figure that our guy is doing great- its all the rest that suck. Understand this- They all suck. They all got us into the current sad state of affairs by rubber stamping Bush. Shamefully no Democrat put his/her reputation on the line to speak out strongly during the first four years of Bush. They abused their power by not using it. So they ALL should go. (At least all multi-term incumbents)And no explanation needed, ALL Republican puppets must go. Remember- your Senator/ Representative sucks just as bad as mine. Give whoever the new President is a chance to succeed- He/She will need 2 new houses (or as much as we can do this time around. But be patient; get whomever you can now out, and the rest as they come up for election). |
Worth repeating. |
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04/03/2008 09:46:55 PM · #384 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Fromac:
Here's a follow-up question for everyone...
Are there any American citizens here who were dedicated supporters of Bush (either for his first term, his second, or both), who will admit to it, but who will also admit to regretting giving him and his administration their vote?
We had a disastrous provincial government here (Ontario) a few years back, and I still can't find anyone who will admit to voting for them! |
You talking about Harris? He was the only politician that actually did what he said he was going to do. What do you think people were voting for when they voted him in?
Back to the US election... |
Maybe I'm talking about Bob Rae and his NDP gov't?
My point is that voters rarely seem to like the people they elect, once the candidates take power and begin compromising and back-pedaling, etc. It often seems like those same voters attack the people in power with amazing vitriol, and then turn around and elect someone they're destined to despise in a few years.
I wonder how many American voters are thinking about this kind of thing as they go to the polls this year? |
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04/03/2008 09:55:18 PM · #385 |
| It's never been about qualifications or ability because we will elect just about any idiot, come on, look at Bush, the guy is a fuckin retard, it's all about who special interest wants in office to do their bidding. |
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04/03/2008 10:00:03 PM · #386 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Originally posted by jrjr:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Originally posted by jrjr:
This is very true. Any of you may want to find reasons why you will not vote for either Democratic candidate, but the reality is that if you want another 4 years of Bush policies, including a hundred more years in Iraq, tax relief for the rich, suppression of any hope for real renewable energy developments, a failing economy, and the stranglehold of special interests on our government (to mention a few), vote republican. Otherwise, you have no choice but to vote Democrat. --Jim Roussos |
Wow, talk about taking something out of context. Have you actually heard what McCain said about being in Iraq, or are you just listening to what Obama told you he said.
Let me ask you this. Why is everyone so concerned about having troops in Iraq? If it is so bad then why aren't they jumping up and down demanding that our troops leave Japan. A country we have been in for the last 63 years! How long have we had troops in Germany? uh, 63 years again! Oh wait, I am in Korea right now. Why aren't we concerned about leaving Korea. A country we have been in for 58 years!
Yes, McCain said that we could have troops in Iraq for a hundred years. but he also siad, "as long as they are not being killed."
Why shouldn't the US pursue a base in Iraq as we have them in Germany, Japan and Korea? Aren't the needs for peace and stability their as good as they are in Europe and Asia? We had troops in Saudi Arabia for years after the first Gulf War. I don't remembr the democratic presidnet of 8 years vowing to bring those troops home. In fact, I remember being forward deployed by that very president into Kuwait to put me closer to Iraq. Have the Deomocrats pulled us out of Germany, Japan, and Korea? Nope, sure haven't. You think maybe they just say they will pull the troops out of Iraq because it is what you want to hear?
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass? |
Oh but I do want us to leave many of the countries that you list. We cannot be the policemen of the world. If we really were the unbiased enforcers of truth and justice, we would be in Darfour, Congo and any number of other horrible places around the globe. Fact is we never should have entered Iraq. Fact is we should have entered Afganistan, found Bin Laden and eliminated the Taliban. Instead we entered Afghanistan but forgot why. We cannot be trusted to be the police with the like of Bush running the show. |
If you want us to leave the countries I mentioned, then why aren't you supporting a Presidential Candidate that is willing to pull us out of those countries. Because it is easier to pick and choose what you want to stand up for. |
Sorry- I'm off to bed. You'll have to chase your own tail for a while. |
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04/03/2008 10:55:33 PM · #387 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Everyone on here seems to know all the details needed to make the decisions that are "right;" I should think that Congress could do at least as well as "us." |
We do now, in large part to those "traitors" at the New York Times:
In 2005, The New York Times revealed that the National Security
Agency had initiated wiretaps and other forms of surveillance without court orders.
It was a story the Bush administration hoped to keep under wraps, says Eric Lichtblau,
one of the two reporters who pushed for the publication of the story.
Lichtblau's new book, Bush's Law: The Remaking of American Justice, details how the administration
used the "war on terror" to push for controversial surveillance programs.
Lichtblau is a Washington correspondent for The New York Times.
In 2006, he won a Pulitzer Prize for his coverage of domestic spying.
===============================================
For an excellent explanation of the betting racket which purports to be a financial system, listen to today's interview:
Perplexed by the U.S. economy? You're not alone. Law professor Michael Greenberger
joins Fresh Air to explain the sub-prime mortgage crisis, credit defaults,
the shaky future of other types of loans and what we can expect from the U.S. financial markets.
Greenberger is a professor at the University of Maryland School of Law
and the director of the University's Center for Health and Homeland Security. |
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04/03/2008 11:50:37 PM · #388 |
WOW I'm shocked this hasn't made it to Rant yet. I have an idea........
Let's forget the whole Democrat and Republican thing and just be Human!
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04/04/2008 02:29:58 AM · #389 |
Originally posted by Fromac:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Fromac:
Here's a follow-up question for everyone...
Are there any American citizens here who were dedicated supporters of Bush (either for his first term, his second, or both), who will admit to it, but who will also admit to regretting giving him and his administration their vote?
We had a disastrous provincial government here (Ontario) a few years back, and I still can't find anyone who will admit to voting for them! |
You talking about Harris? He was the only politician that actually did what he said he was going to do. What do you think people were voting for when they voted him in?
Back to the US election... |
Maybe I'm talking about Bob Rae and his NDP gov't?
My point is that voters rarely seem to like the people they elect, once the candidates take power and begin compromising and back-pedaling, etc. It often seems like those same voters attack the people in power with amazing vitriol, and then turn around and elect someone they're destined to despise in a few years.
I wonder how many American voters are thinking about this kind of thing as they go to the polls this year? |
I get the feeling that Americans (this is only an impression so could be way off base) are more tied to their party and will continue to uphold a candidate as long as they are with that said party.
I feel the Canadian electorate are much more fickle. Though we do have more choice to be fickle about.
(I'd forgotten about Bob Rae as Premier -- he seemed to act more Conservative than NDP while in office. Though he ended up doing what was needed for the economy at the time. )
Too bad Dalton can't see straight to do what's right this time 'round
Message edited by author 2008-04-04 02:30:49. |
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04/04/2008 02:55:07 AM · #390 |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass? |
About 13 years give +/- a few months.
Is that really the kind of legacy that people want to leave for our children? How could anyone, in good conscience abandon Iraq, knowing they are planting the seeds for the next 9/11? |
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04/04/2008 06:22:40 AM · #391 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass? |
About 13 years give +/- a few months.
Is that really the kind of legacy that people want to leave for our children? How could anyone, in good conscience abandon Iraq, knowing they are planting the seeds for the next 9/11? |
Wow- they brain washed you well. Your question is without merit. It is mot based on any historical or real fact. Your question is the result of the remarkable mis-information machine of the Bush Admin. You know these folks; they brought you the colors to tell you what level of alert we were in. Do you know what color it is today? No one does. They have not used colors since just before the last presidential election, and then it was only used as a tool to motivate you to vote for them. For the record and contrary to what the White House wants you to believe, IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911! An informed population could have kept us out of Iraq and could have allowed us to get Bin Laden. But the population is not informed and is therefore easily led where ever the leaders want you to go. |
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04/04/2008 06:24:09 AM · #392 |
Think about this revealing quote:
Hermann Goering (Designated successor to Adolf Hitler):
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." |
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04/04/2008 06:38:25 AM · #393 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass? |
About 13 years give +/- a few months.
Is that really the kind of legacy that people want to leave for our children? How could anyone, in good conscience abandon Iraq, knowing they are planting the seeds for the next 9/11? |
Wow- they brain washed you well. Your question is without merit. It is mot based on any historical or real fact. Your question is the result of the remarkable mis-information machine of the Bush Admin. You know these folks; they brought you the colors to tell you what level of alert we were in. Do you know what color it is today? No one does. They have not used colors since just before the last presidential election, and then it was only used as a tool to motivate you to vote for them. For the record and contrary to what the White House wants you to believe, IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911! An informed population could have kept us out of Iraq and could have allowed us to get Bin Laden. But the population is not informed and is therefore easily led where ever the leaders want you to go. |
Your narrowmindedness has caused you to miss the point of these posts, so let me digress for you. We all know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. The relation between Iraq and 9/11 is the fact that when we quit helping Afghanistan in the 80's we left a country that had no functioning government. This allowed the Taliban to come in easily and rule. The Taliban backed Osama and 9/11 happened. The point that is being made is if we pull from Iraq today, the do not have a functioning government. History can and will repeat itself.
Now let me also say this. I have kept this as a civil discussion. I have not lashed out at you on a personal basis. You however have resorted to doing that to try to prove your point to me. To accuse me of being brainwashed is insulting and not appreciated. You think you are not brainwashed? You have made every statement that your left-wing brethren have made before you. You have not stated a vaild point that was an original thought of your own. Everything you have said is a quote from someone else. Isn't that what brainwashed is?
I can formulate my own opinions and have. I have seen the people of Iraq with my own eyes, walked on the sand of Iraq with my own two feet, and heard the and felt the blasts of rockets being launched in my direction. I did all of this, not because I was told by the military that I had to go to a foreign country, but because I chose to, and then fought my leadership for the ability to go. Let me ask you this, if the war in Iraq is so bad, and everythign that were doing is so wrong, then why is that we have an all volunteer force that continually recruits people to join thier ranks and go to Iraq?
You obviously have missed what this country is about and that is a shame. I bet you have never owned an American flag and displayed it proudly in your yard. If you have, then I am willing to bet it was only done after 9/11. You have been brainwashed by those that need people like you to walk through life with your eyes closed not willing to see the world that is really around you.
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04/04/2008 07:23:12 AM · #394 |
You in fact just made it personal. But you are correct that I have not stated any original thoughts; that is because they were all facts, and being facts I could not have fabricated them. Non-facts on the other hand, which is what your republican buddies deal in so well are completely original.
As to my patriotism. I believe that dissent IS the highest form of patriotism. Don't you get it? We need each other to make the whole thing work. The founding fathers knew it- that is why they set up checks and balances ( which is another reason why Bush has to go because he has not followed the letter or the spirit of the requisite checks and balances i.e. The patriot Act etc etc etc)
I want to give you some lee way here because you are in the military. I admire your commitment and your willingness to serve. I thank you. It is very important what you do. I support our troops- so much so that I want them home with their families and friends. I expect that your being in the military would naturally reflect the sentiments expressed.
Now just because I do not wear a flag lapel pin and I do not think, "My Country Right Or Wrong" do not mean that I am any less a patriot than you. Just the fact that I am speaking my mind, writing letters to my congressmen, advising others on facts, voting, and having ridiculous debates on DPC which is where I come for respite from the outside world has some indication that that I care about this country.
And do you think that one can buy patriotism at the hardware store, as if how many flags one owns means anything. How about if I buy a real big flag, does that make me a real big patriot? |
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04/04/2008 09:59:48 AM · #395 |
Originally posted by jrjr:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
And why do you want the troops to leave Iraq anyway? Was Afghanistan not enough of a lesson for the US when we dropped them like a hot potatoe in the 80's? How long did it take that blunder to bite us in the ass? |
About 13 years give +/- a few months.
Is that really the kind of legacy that people want to leave for our children? How could anyone, in good conscience abandon Iraq, knowing they are planting the seeds for the next 9/11? |
Wow- they brain washed you well. Your question is without merit. It is mot based on any historical or real fact. Your question is the result of the remarkable mis-information machine of the Bush Admin. You know these folks; they brought you the colors to tell you what level of alert we were in. Do you know what color it is today? No one does. They have not used colors since just before the last presidential election, and then it was only used as a tool to motivate you to vote for them. For the record and contrary to what the White House wants you to believe, IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911! An informed population could have kept us out of Iraq and could have allowed us to get Bin Laden. But the population is not informed and is therefore easily led where ever the leaders want you to go. |
I, for one, never suggested that the invasion of Iraq had anything to do with ties to Afghanistan or Al Qaeda. I don't know where you cooked up that idea, but if you have to resort to putting words in the mouths of others, it speaks volumes about how solid the foundation is for your position.
The fact is that when the Soviets were in Afghanistan, the US was funneling $600M annually with a like amount coming from the Gulf states (Saudi Arabia et. al.) into arms, ammunition and supplies for the Mujahideen. That's not to mention all of the other freedom fighters coming from across the region (Osama bin Laden among them) to fight off the infidel invaders (Soviets). The US made many promises about a lasting friendship between US and Afghanistan, how the US would help Afghanistan gain prosperity and help them rebuild their proud nation.
Unfortunately, when the last of the Soviets left in 1989, so did the US, taking all that money away as well. The US broke their promises rather than helping Afghanistan rebuild and flourish. The resulting power vacuum allowed the Taliban to seize power and they proved more than eager to accept the money of a former freedom fighter named Osama bin Laden who wanted to establish a base of operations for his organization, Al Qaeda, whose primary mission was to wage war against the West, specifically the lying infidel Americans.
I'm sure you're aware of the actions of 19 Al Qaeda members on 9/11/2001.
If you can't see the parallels between what happened in Afghanistan after the US packed up and left and the likelihood of a similar thing happening in Iraq then you must be blind.
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04/04/2008 11:02:46 AM · #396 |
SC - I think this is now officially a rant and should be labeled as such. What started as a decent discussion of who will be the next presidient of the US has now degenerated into old hardened arguments of the right and left here in the US and has nothing to add about individual candidates.
BTW - here is the original question:
As neighbours to the US, we Canadians are understandably interested in American politics. The current presidential race is shaping up to be very interesting indeed.
If the Democrats are the favourites (and the last poll I saw put them firmly in front) the question that I find most intriguing is this:
Are Americans more likely to elect a black man or a white woman to their highest political office?
This raises further questions.
Is American society ready for either?
Are they so far from allowing either possibility that they'll, by default, just elect another old white Republican?
I'd love to see what DPC'ers think.
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04/04/2008 11:21:16 AM · #397 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Are Americans more likely to elect a black man or a white woman to their highest political office?
Is American society ready for either?
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Just my opinion, but I'm thinking that America today is still so full of racism and sexism that there are probably just enough of both to keep Obama and Clinton out of the White House. By default, those two categories of folks (racists and sexists) will more than likely facilitate the election of the "old white Republican."
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04/04/2008 11:37:10 AM · #398 |
Originally posted by L1:
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Are Americans more likely to elect a black man or a white woman to their highest political office?
Is American society ready for either?
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Just my opinion, but I'm thinking that America today is still so full of racism and sexism that there are probably just enough of both to keep Obama and Clinton out of the White House. By default, those two categories of folks (racists and sexists) will more than likely facilitate the election of the "old white Republican." |
I'd rather have the best candidate, be it a balck man, white woman, flying purple rabbit or whatever |
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04/04/2008 11:41:04 AM · #399 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'd rather have the best candidate, be it a balck man, white woman, flying purple rabbit or whatever |
I agree. Everyone I've talked to seems to feel that way as well. Unfortunately, if Obama or Clinton isn't elected, the easy thing will be to say, "Well, what can you expect? The sexist/racist voters have spoken."
Doesn't matter that I think that Clinton is a few watts shy of a full bulb*, and I just don't trust Obama.
'course, I ain't real crazy about McCain either.
So, I don't like the black man, the woman, or the white man.
What's a gal to do?
(edit to clarify -- she just seems to me the type of person that appears controlled but is boiling underneath. She just doesn't seem "calming," and I keep waiting for a blow up. Horrible explanation, I know)
Message edited by author 2008-04-04 11:42:53. |
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04/04/2008 11:43:06 AM · #400 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I'd rather have the best candidate, be it a balck man, white woman, flying purple rabbit or whatever |
I agree. Everyone I've talked to seems to feel that way as well. Unfortunately, if Obama or Clinton isn't elected, the easy thing will be to say, "Well, what can you expect? The sexist/racist voters have spoken."
Doesn't matter that I think that Clinton is a few watts shy of a full bulb, and I just don't trust Obama.
'course, I ain't real crazy about McCain either.
So, I don't like the black man, the woman, or the white man.
What's a gal to do? |
Amen, sista. I have no idea. I'll wait 'til November and make my best decision with what we're given. |
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