Advanced Editing Questions - DPChallenge Forums

10/30/2007 12:04:40 PM · #1

Probably been asked 1000 times but there getting asked again :')

Can you use texture overlays? Probably not

and before a do a very complected set up, would i be able to suspend objects by string and clone out the string?

ta star xx

albc28

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/30/2007 12:19:08 PM · #2

Not sure about texture overlays...but as for the string...here it is in the rules under what you may NOT do.

use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewerâ��s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

10/30/2007 12:26:05 PM · #3

Regarding the cloning of string...

This entry was validated during voting.

original:

entry (color portrait II, advanced editing):

Regarding the question of texture overlays...

The rules state that "You must: create your entry from a single capture."

So, if the overlay layer is the original capture, you should be fine. In other words, you can duplicate your background layer and apply different blending modes to it, but you can't introduce additional pixel layers from other sources.

Texture overlays are explicitly allowed in the Expert Editing ruleset.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

10/30/2007 12:31:11 PM · #4

Texture overlays are currently legal in Advanced, if they don't seem to add new features to the scene. So, if it's recognizable as a texture, you are OK, but if, for instance, you selectively apply a "texture" to add clouds to a sky, or roughness that appears to be an as-captured feature of a specific object, that would be considered adding a feature. If you're unsure, feel free to send us a ticket and we will give you thumbs up or down. Attach a resized original to the ticket, and refer us to the entry. Make sure to give us at least a day, better two days, to get a consensus.

10/30/2007 12:37:10 PM · #5

So i can clone strings out... and could i use a overlay to add grain or scratches for example?

rules are confusing =_=

10/30/2007 12:41:25 PM · #6

I'm confused too. Reading the Advanced Editing rules again, I don't see how texture overlays are legal.

In Expert Editing, there is an explicit You May statement: use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules.

If this is true for Advanced as well, why is there no such statement for that ruleset? Or does the source file for the texture have to meet the date requirements in Advanced? But wait, I thought I could only create my entry from a singe capture...

Can you please help me understand the differences Fritz?

Tez

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

10/30/2007 12:44:55 PM · #7

I've always been under the impression that they were illegal because you would have to combine other pictures with the original to get this effect. How in the world is this legal under Advanced? Are you saying it's now legal if it's subdued and not in your face?

My take on the rules is that they are simply not allowed in advanced. In expert sure, but advanced no. Can we have some definite clarification on this as this is another grey area.

A texture layer is still a texture layer regardless of it's strength.

10/30/2007 12:45:04 PM · #8

i didnt think i would be able to use a over lay but i thought ide ask just incase... but then you could use a brush too add scratches etc would that be allowed?

i think every1s confused there are 21341 different ways to read every rule =_=

Jedusi

10/30/2007 01:55:58 PM · #9

Originally posted by JayA:

. . i think every1s confused there are 21341 different ways to read every rule =_=

and I always thought there were 54321 ways to read every rule . .

:- )

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

10/30/2007 02:31:28 PM · #10

Thought I'd move this back up to the top. Any SC wish to clarify kirbic's position? I'm still baffled.

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/30/2007 03:15:46 PM · #11

This texture overlay really throws a spanner in the works...I just removed the textures from a clients photo so I could enter it in the Free Study...now I am waiting to hear further on this. I might even submit it to see what the decision would be...but am nervous that if I get the green light...that the rules may be changed after the effect to DQ the image.

What do I do?

10/30/2007 03:18:04 PM · #12

ive just changed my setup so i didnt have to edit string and never used any overlays that way i cant lose LOLZZZZZZZZ

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

10/30/2007 05:14:02 PM · #13

Bumparoo....

Hoping we can get some SC action in here to help clarify this situation. Judi is in a time crunch!

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

10/30/2007 05:23:22 PM · #14

I just submitted the image to SC for their decision. So now we wait and see.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/30/2007 05:29:54 PM · #15

Sounds good to me! Be sure to post back here and let us know how it goes.

I think I would prefer if textures are illegal. Seems to me like it would open up a big ol' can of worms.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

10/30/2007 05:43:55 PM · #16

Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:

Sounds good to me! Be sure to post back here and let us know how it goes.

I think I would prefer if textures are illegal. Seems to me like it would open up a big ol' can of worms.

That can of worms has already been opened:

Judi

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

10/30/2007 05:50:33 PM · #17

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:
Sounds good to me! Be sure to post back here and let us know how it goes.

I think I would prefer if textures are illegal. Seems to me like it would open up a big ol' can of worms.

That can of worms has already been opened:

R.

If I had known that textures were legal then I could've done so much more. This image below was all done in the camera...no texture layers in processing. DAMMIT!!!!

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

10/30/2007 05:59:49 PM · #18

Ah...but that image used a filter (or 2), not a texture overlay. Methinks it's a separate but equally wormy can!

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

10/30/2007 06:01:49 PM · #19

Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:

Ah...but that image used a filter (or 2), not a texture overlay. Methinks it's a separate but equally wormy can!

That half-a-dozen of the other, not six of one... jejejeâ�¢

R.

10/30/2007 06:12:34 PM · #20

YAY i started a useful topic LOL

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

10/30/2007 06:13:33 PM · #21

Congrats, Jay. You sure did! I can't wait for the answer...

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

10/30/2007 10:16:39 PM · #22

Well, I'll stick by my previous post. I know it's not a cut & dried answer, but it is pretty much how we've called 'em since the "major elements" language was replaced by "added features."
Bottom line, if it looks like an added texture, then it's a texture and legal. "Painted" effects, added noise, global grunge all fall under this category.
If the voter will mistake it for real texture on objects in the scene, or for added objects themselves, then it's not legal. Adding a "scratches" texture just over a metal object to make it look worn is an example of an illegal use of a texture overlay.

LanndonKane

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35 f/4 ED VR

10/30/2007 10:18:08 PM · #23

Originally posted by kirbic:

This doesn't answer the question of whether the texture can be from a different image as your entry (or whether the texture has to be a photograph at all...).