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10/18/2007 09:56:08 PM · #226 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
There is no reason that an individual parent or adult cannot choose to insulate themself from soft porn. |
Wow, that's quite a jump from nude photography to soft porn! |
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10/18/2007 10:30:08 PM · #227 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
The child protection argument is a moral based argument, The Christian argument is a moral based argument. There have been no arguments from proponents that were not moral based, because there are none.
Nudity, violence, snakes easting rats are all moral based arguments, and thus you can not find a universal answer. You can make compromises, but no single answer will appease all. |
I think that is the first intelligent thing I've read in this thread.
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10/18/2007 10:40:16 PM · #228 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
The SC has set a precedence by allowing filtering of SOME nude images. This could very well fall into the same catagory that AOL fell into years ago when they were censoring SOME messages and not others. They got slapped for it big time. They either had to censor ALL objectional content or NO content. They set the tone from that point on by not censoring ANY content... other than the ton of mail they dump when their mail servers get busy, but that's not censoring.
Because DPC has chosen to allow filtering of nudes, they have set the precedence that those not wanting to view those nudes can view with the reletive assumption that they won't have to view any nudes. But because DPC allows some cases where nudes are displayed, they have opened up a big can of worms... maybe not today and maybe not in some countries, but it could very well affect the site in some, including the US.
Either DPC should allow filtering in ALL cases or they should take out filtering ALL together. Don't do it half way.
And for those that think by not showing nudity during voting for those that don't want to see it will skew the results any more than it's already skewed a hundred different ways, you don't understand statistics or how the voters vote on here. It's intirely possible it could skew it the other way.
And those that say the people that want the filter are trying to push their views on everyone else but are over looking that you are also pushing your views on those that don't agree with you.
Sometimes, when issues like this comes up, DPC can really show it's dark side.
Mike |
Wow, you missed the mark all around.
First, DPC is merely censoring images that would require US Code : Title 18, Section 2257 compliance with its genital and sex acts rules. That is a reasonable form of censoring, seeing that compliance would be damn near impossible, having to have records on all models. Not to mention, you are just getting close to the porn/art line at that point.
Secondly, site ToS states there are nudes on this site. We all agree to it when we sign up. The nude filters are a convenience or concession, not guaranteed by the ToS.
Thirdly, there are no legal precedence that keeps DPC from censoring anything as a media content provider, just as no government entity can tell Ted Turner that he must broadcast kittens 24/7, no government entity can dictate DPC must broadcast any content. They have every right to filter and/or delete any content that is posted or they can leave it if it breaks no law.
Lastly, and no offense, but you are dead wrong about the statistics. I, personally, trust Kirbic's judgment on this one. Any change will affect results. I believe it would be for the good of the nude image, and I'm all for that, but for fairness sake we just can't do that.
Oh, and BTW, sometimes DPC can shine over such issues. I've seen it.
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10/18/2007 10:47:49 PM · #229 |
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
Sorry but bullshit! If nudes were only in "nude" challenges then it would be possible. Since many different types of challenges contain nudes it's impossible unless it becomes an X or R rates site. Do we really want the parents to safeguard kids and protect their jobs by no participating. Hell photography is a kids activity. There is no reason that an individual parent or adult cannot choose to insulate themself from soft porn. It doesn't effect anyone else, it's an idividual choice and nothing else. Does DPC really want families and individuals to go elsewhere because they may lose a job? Again BS
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by PhantomEWO:
...safeguards kids and jobs. |
Part of the argument is that said safeguarding should be done by adults who should be responsible enough to know better. |
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Dude, BULLSHIT to you. It's your job to "insulate" your damn kids! |
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10/18/2007 10:48:36 PM · #230 |
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10/18/2007 10:51:10 PM · #231 |
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10/18/2007 10:54:08 PM · #232 |
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10/18/2007 10:54:11 PM · #233 |
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10/18/2007 10:55:02 PM · #234 |
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10/18/2007 10:55:32 PM · #235 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by L2:
The only question really is whether respecting user preferences during voting will lead to skewed scores. Given how freaked out people are when friend votes get cast, I'm surprised to see so many people indicate they don't believe skewed scores are a real concern. |
I agree. And we all know how bent out of shape people would get the first time they saw this on the front page when they didn't get to vote on it.
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If they didn't see it in voting, they wouldn't see it upon winning either. |
That little thumbnail is going to be on the front page for a week. Can you resist clicking it?
If the nude filters kept you from seeing the image at all, would you not turn them off?
Would you not be upset because a really mediocre nude only got 30 votes, but none under 5 and ribboned?
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10/18/2007 10:57:00 PM · #236 |
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10/18/2007 10:57:21 PM · #237 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Yes, it's your opinion that votes will be skewed, but that is not based on any fact, but fear... |
Anytime you remove part of the population with a specific preference or bias, the results will be skewed. That's just the way it works. |
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10/18/2007 10:58:07 PM · #238 |
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10/18/2007 10:59:42 PM · #239 |
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10/18/2007 11:02:06 PM · #240 |
If this didn't require considerable coding, I'd BEG SC and Langdon to test it.
1) I'd love a ribbon, even if not totally warranted.
2) I'd absolutely Love to say "I told ya so"
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10/18/2007 11:05:44 PM · #241 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Except you've yet to show any proof that these images aren't already skipped or voted low. |
They are voted low, that has been proven, even confessed to.
If you do a bit of research, you'll see that most nudes receive the same amount of votes as any other submission. They do receive quite a few more views during voting.
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10/18/2007 11:12:54 PM · #242 |
Man I'm so sick of seeing this on the front screen...
Solution
If your worried about seeing it while voting "don't vote"!
If your worried about your kids seeing it when they are voting from your account "don't let them"!
Move to ----------> Rant
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10/18/2007 11:12:58 PM · #243 |
DPC should add this disclaimer that requires a check box when you sign up for an account:
DPC is not responsible for your dumb ass if you get fired for screwing off at work when you should be working.
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10/18/2007 11:14:52 PM · #244 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Except you've yet to show any proof that these images aren't already skipped or voted low. They would most likely get the same number of votes already. |
Did I demand proof that you'd be fired for viewing an artistic nude on your own personal time at work? If that's such a risky activity, then your risk wouldn't go away... some nudes are not flagged for hours or even days after they're posted, because we didn't notice and/or nobody pointed it out yet. Heck, you might already be looking at a pink slip for thumbnails posted to this thread.
As long as they're seen, voters are free to skip or vote as they see fit. Hiding the images in bulk is not the same as allowing people to skip or vote on them individually. Not all images marked nude would raise an eyebrow even among those sensitive to it. |
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10/18/2007 11:15:05 PM · #245 |
Sensible for you does NOT equate to sensible for everyone Kevin. Neither do your (or my) versions of fair, moral, or even 'right'.
Is it really that difficult to understand that the majority of persons commenting find the idea unacceptable? Surely you have taken the time to research past conversations enough to realize your 'persuasions' have been ineffective before. Rather than beating the dead horse, would it not be more effective to POLITELY ask for cooperation & work toward some common ground?
Do you honestly not realize that a HUGE portion of this site is complaining of your recent posts? I honestly do NOT mean that in a derogatory manner, but rather hope you might consider a little self-reflection. Your posts thus far have not shown much interest in working WITH the very people who could best help you.
To the contrary, you seem bent on creating dissent and malice. Please, consider a more harmonious existence here.
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10/18/2007 11:19:31 PM · #246 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
DPC should add this disclaimer that requires a check box when you sign up for an account:
DPC is not responsible for your dumb ass if you get fired for screwing off at work when you should be working. |
haahahah, I almost posted something like this in the beginning.
crap! got sucked in anyways :(
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10/18/2007 11:20:45 PM · #247 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
DPC should add this disclaimer that requires a check box when you sign up for an account:
DPC is not responsible for your dumb ass if you get fired for screwing off at work when you should be working. |
LMFAO!
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10/18/2007 11:25:16 PM · #248 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
crap! got sucked in anyways :( |
Yeah, I wasn't going to start either. Threads like this really make me dislike DPC altogether. So many egos and opinions, and naturally everyone's right and few even attempt to be civil. Sigh... |
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10/18/2007 11:34:16 PM · #249 |
Arrgh. If it offends you, then dont vote. If a playboy offends you, dont read it.
Furthermore, saying that "this is when the dark side of DPC comes out" is rediculous. Just because things arent going how you want doesnt mean that there is an ugly side to dpc |
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10/18/2007 11:34:38 PM · #250 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
DPC should add this disclaimer that requires a check box when you sign up for an account:
DPC is not responsible for your dumb ass if you get fired for screwing off at work when you should be working. |
haahahah, I almost posted something like this in the beginning.
crap! got sucked in anyways :( |
I too was going to post earlier, and still tried to steer clear of this but it is not going to work.
What I like is the NSFW crowd believe a nudy shot is going to get them canned... I have never seen anyone fired for an occasionaly artistic nude... I'm big brother at work, and can say that HR is more interested in how much time is spent at non-work related sites than they are the content of the sites. And then they only request that info when some worker pisses another worker off and they rat them out for not pulling their weight. |
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