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10/10/2007 02:26:02 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
The other option is, if we will not be given full editorial control over our images, to delete the image and re-upload it. The sad thing about that is then all comments are lost.
I have to side with Louis on this one. It seems only right to have complete control of our own portfolio.
I understand that can't be with challenge entries but we should have editorial choice over our own work. |
Well put and I have deleted images just to get rid of ugly, yet non-TOS violating comments.
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10/10/2007 05:04:43 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
I don't believe that anything in the website's TOS gives you a right to full editorial control over other people's comments on your images. |
So? I'm arguing in favour of it. The fact that it's not in the TOS has nothing to do with my request for this thing. |
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10/10/2007 05:20:55 PM · #53 |
I agree with Louis, just because it's not in the ToS doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented.
Anyway, how I behaved after the comments is irrelevant to this thread. But, I may or may not have called the rude commenter out with or without the ability to delete his comments. From my experience on Flickr, it's likely that I would have just deleted his comment and moved on, instead of having the comment sit there and aggravate me.
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10/10/2007 05:32:11 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
Right now, insulting comments are fairly rare. |
That's like telling someone they have a rare disease, that is curable, but since everyone doesn't have it, we will just ignore your case too.
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10/10/2007 05:43:32 PM · #55 |
Having read through most of this thread I have to say one thing (which have been said by others here too):
There are a lot of threads where people complain about the lack of comments here - and, even though I don't comment on loads of pictures myself (I have mad more than I have received though), I have to agree: There ought to be more commenting going on.
But, I fear that if a "delete comment" button was implemented the number of comments made would go down even further - and/or (even worse) only comments in the nature of "Nice shot", "Great Composition" and "Well done" would be made. I for one wouldn't bother waste my time on anything more meaningful than that if the recipient could just delete 3 sec. after I made the comment.
In the rare occasions where comments are rude or offending I'm sure SC will know how to handle it. |
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10/10/2007 06:56:13 PM · #56 |
Fine, you guys keep begging for critiques that may or may not hold an ounce of helpfulness. Paranoia about changing DPC is strangling it and I'm not just talking about this issue.
Anyway, I've solved my issue. Ya'll have fun.
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10/10/2007 06:59:38 PM · #57 |
| A while ago I added comments to 4 of my own photos, it would be good to be able to delete those. |
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10/10/2007 07:18:39 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Delta_6:
A while ago I added comments to 4 of my own photos, it would be good to be able to delete those. |
Just to throw up another ball of wax (and what a lovely image that makes), I secondarily think that we should have full editorial control over our own comments, as well. We should be able to delete our own comments, rather than zero them out. |
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10/10/2007 07:52:49 PM · #59 |
| People would simply delete any comments that differed from their own appraisal of their work regardless of how valid and well thought out. It would make DPC even more self-congratulatory and Pollyannaish than they already are about their own work. |
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10/10/2007 07:53:42 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
People would simply delete any comments that differed from their own appraisal of their work regardless of how valid and well thought out. |
I wouldn't do that. Would you? |
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10/10/2007 07:58:03 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
People would simply delete any comments that differed from their own appraisal of their work regardless of how valid and well thought out. |
I wouldn't do that. Would you? |
No, but I can think of several who would. Thinking about it from a commenter's POV, why should I spend time writing a critique on a particular image when, if the person disagrees with my assessment, they can delete my work with a simple click? The value in such commentary goes beyond the commenter and the creator, it gives another perspective on the image for all who might view it and generally enriches the site.
Message edited by author 2007-10-10 19:58:48. |
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10/10/2007 07:59:10 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
People would simply delete any comments that differed from their own appraisal of their work regardless of how valid and well thought out. It would make DPC even more self-congratulatory and Pollyannaish than they already are about their own work. |
in my experience, that's the way they act at first, and then they get a little more thick-skinned and don't do that anymore. it's a natural progression, and who cares really if someone were to delete your comment? better that way than another forum spillover, IMO.
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10/10/2007 08:00:05 PM · #63 |
Are you guys wanting commendation for writing comments or just truly wanting to help?
If it's the latter, who cares if it is deleted. You'll know next time, who doesn't want your help.
Personally, I wouldn't know if someone deleted a comment I left.
Message edited by author 2007-10-10 20:01:38.
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10/10/2007 08:01:48 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
People would simply delete any comments that differed from their own appraisal of their work regardless of how valid and well thought out. |
I wouldn't do that. Would you? |
No, but I can think of several who would. Thinking about it from a commenter's POV, why should I spend time writing a critique on a particular image when, if the person disagrees with my assessment, they can delete my work with a simple click? The value in such commentary goes beyond the commenter and the creator, it gives another perspective on the image for all who might view it and generally enriches the site. |
That smacks a little of hubris. If they choose to discard your gift, then it is their loss, not yours or anyone other's.
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10/10/2007 08:21:14 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Are you guys wanting commendation for writing comments or just truly wanting to help?
If it's the latter, who cares if it is deleted. You'll know next time, who doesn't want your help.
Personally, I wouldn't know if someone deleted a comment I left. |
How does one know who's image in a challenge they are voting on (i.e. - who wants help and who doesn't)? As for knowing if it was deleted; as part of my learning experience I DO go back at times and look at the images I've commented on to see what others have said. I do this by using the 'Comments Made' area in my profile. If an image moved me enough to comment (good or bad) I find it interesting to know if I was way off base with the masses here or if there was a general consensus that matched my observations. |
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10/10/2007 08:24:47 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
... If they choose to discard your gift, then it is their loss, not yours or anyone other's. |
So why bother making comments at all in the first place? Gift or no gift. Something for me out of commenting or not... I think it will be quite frustrating for many to see comments just disappear. |
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10/10/2007 08:30:19 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by wavelength:
... If they choose to discard your gift, then it is their loss, not yours or anyone other's. |
So why bother making comments at all in the first place? Gift or no gift. Something for me out of commenting or not... I think it will be quite frustrating for many to see comments just disappear. |
Why? You mean you didn't grow in the process of even the attempt to teach? I would pose that the very knowledge that the receiver discarded your wisdom would be as positive as you make, not as negative as they intended. Grow and learn on your own terms, not theirs.
If this is considered a great kindness, and your kindness is un-heeded, would you then taint your own goodwill in bearing a grudge on a fool?
This is all very arbitrary anyways, this feature will probably never be added.
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10/10/2007 08:33:23 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Why? You mean you didn't grow in the process of even the attempt to teach? I would pose that the very knowledge that the receiver discarded your wisdom would be as positive as you make, not as negative as they intended. Grow and learn on your own terms, not theirs.
If this is considered a great kindness, and your kindness is un-heeded, would you then taint your own goodwill in bearing a grudge on a fool?
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Dude very eloquent and thoughtful. (Can the printed word be eloquent? Anyways)
Originally posted by wavelength:
This is all very arbitrary anyways, this feature will probably never be added. |
And there you have it.
Message edited by author 2007-10-10 20:34:58. |
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10/10/2007 08:48:59 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by wavelength:
... If they choose to discard your gift, then it is their loss, not yours or anyone other's. |
So why bother making comments at all in the first place? Gift or no gift. Something for me out of commenting or not... I think it will be quite frustrating for many to see comments just disappear. |
Why? You mean you didn't grow in the process of even the attempt to teach? ... |
I have mentioned (couple times now I believe) that yes, making comments is helpful as a personal growth vehicle. However, no matter how helpful, it will still be frustrating to see comments disappear.
As someone else pointed out, the comments are there not only for the person giving and the photographer receiving, but for anyone else that views that photo.
This is all neither here nor there...as usual, we have a vocal split camp on the usefulness/merit of a suggestion. Time to move on I guess and use time more wisely - like leaving some comments. :P |
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10/10/2007 08:50:28 PM · #70 |
I'd really, really like to see a poll.
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10/10/2007 09:05:48 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by wavelength:
... If they choose to discard your gift, then it is their loss, not yours or anyone other's. |
So why bother making comments at all in the first place? Gift or no gift. Something for me out of commenting or not... I think it will be quite frustrating for many to see comments just disappear. |
Why? You mean you didn't grow in the process of even the attempt to teach? I would pose that the very knowledge that the receiver discarded your wisdom would be as positive as you make, not as negative as they intended. Grow and learn on your own terms, not theirs.
If this is considered a great kindness, and your kindness is un-heeded, would you then taint your own goodwill in bearing a grudge on a fool?
This is all very arbitrary anyways, this feature will probably never be added. |
I've seen this argument several times previously about how much the "commentator learns by the act of commenting". The assumption, I guess, is that writing and sharing is better than just thinking about it.
I haven't seen any evidence that any comment I've ever left made a damn bit of difference to either me or the recipient. I would love anyone to share an example of how this "altruism" benefitted the commentator, especially in an instance where the recepient of the comment didn't even bother to acknowledge the comment by checking a little box.
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10/10/2007 09:08:43 PM · #72 |
Having someone delete one of my comments would irritate me even more than getting an inappropriate comment on one of my shots.
It really would give me a feeling that the person considered my comment so worthless that they just zapped it with one click of the mouse. And I often do go back and check comments I've left to see if they were ticked helpful or not (I use that flag as an indication that the person has actually read the comment) |
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10/10/2007 09:20:41 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by jonejess:
I've seen this argument several times previously about how much the "commentator learns by the act of commenting". The assumption, I guess, is that writing and sharing is better than just thinking about it.
I haven't seen any evidence that any comment I've ever left made a damn bit of difference to either me or the recipient. I would love anyone to share an example of how this "altruism" benefitted the commentator, especially in an instance where the recepient of the comment didn't even bother to acknowledge the comment by checking a little box. |
Exactly.
Originally posted by jonejess:
... the recepient of the comment didn't even bother to acknowledge the comment by checking a little box. |
Because of this very reason I have stopped commenting on pictures of such people. Why waste 5 minutes writing something that other person does not even bother a click. Specially when he/she selectively marks comments above and below your comments as helpful (leaving only your comment).
And because of this I have stopped commenting during voting. I only try to make comment after voting is finished. Just to be sure that I do not make comments on pictures of people I do not want to.
There are many people here who always say in forum that they are open to honest views but in reality they are not.
And there is a difference between honest comment and a rude or personal insult.
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10/10/2007 09:28:51 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
People would simply delete any comments that differed from their own appraisal of their work regardless of how valid and well thought out. It would make DPC even more self-congratulatory and Pollyannaish than they already are about their own work. |
in my experience, that's the way they act at first, and then they get a little more thick-skinned and don't do that anymore. it's a natural progression, and who cares really if someone were to delete your comment? better that way than another forum spillover, IMO. |
How would you feel if you went out of your way to help someone open a door and they turned and slammed it in your face? |
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10/10/2007 09:30:17 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by jonejess:
...I've seen this argument several times previously about how much the "commentator learns by the act of commenting". The assumption, I guess, is that writing and sharing is better than just thinking about it.
I haven't seen any evidence that any comment I've ever left made a damn bit of difference to either me or the recipient. I would love anyone to share an example of how this "altruism" benefitted the commentator, especially in an instance where the recepient of the comment didn't even bother to acknowledge the comment by checking a little box. |
When (you can substitute "if") it is evident from the comment that someone has actually looked at an image and considered it sincerely, chances are, IMO, that he/she is wealthier for a bit of experience already. When he goes out to articulate what he has gathered, he shares a little of it, i.e. he gives us a lil something too. If he does this a few times, he'll likely get better at both seeing and writing, and everyone's share increases, whether any boxes are checked or not.
If everything goes well, and there aren't too many yahoos, you have a bunch of tiny seeds you can use to grow a kulchur with.
Message edited by author 2007-10-10 21:30:58. |
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