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12/01/2007 09:59:05 PM · #2101 |
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12/01/2007 10:06:03 PM · #2102 |
Well, I'm in for fairy tale. It came out close to what I had in my head. Anyone willing to give me an opinion and not vote on it?
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12/01/2007 10:10:00 PM · #2103 |
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12/01/2007 10:43:34 PM · #2104 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Well, I'm in for fairy tale. It came out close to what I had in my head. Anyone willing to give me an opinion and not vote on it? |
I'll do it. I'm an opinion slut. |
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12/01/2007 10:52:58 PM · #2105 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Well, I'm in for fairy tale. It came out close to what I had in my head. Anyone willing to give me an opinion and not vote on it? |
I'll do it. I'm an opinion slut. |
I'm not even going to enter Fairy Tale, so you could send it to me, too.
Although.....I am a wuss-bag when it comes to critiquing, so I'd find every good take on it and you could reverse engineer that to decipher what I didn't mention......8>)
My e-mail is whiskeyspringstudios@earthlink.net
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12/01/2007 10:53:15 PM · #2106 |
Where are the eyes in each, which are typically the main attraction in a portrait? Not dead center vertically.
I have no idea what Rosemary's shot looks like, of course, and for all I know, I'd agree it looks better as is than off-center. It's just a guideline that works most of the time.
Anyway, as always, Rosemary should satisfy herself first. The point was simply to explain what the commenter meant and why it can be helpful.
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12/01/2007 11:11:22 PM · #2107 |
| Don and Jeffrey, sent you both PM's. Jeb, sent you an email! |
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12/01/2007 11:27:10 PM · #2108 |
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12/02/2007 08:18:20 AM · #2109 |
Oooooooh I'm excited. Mother Nature likes me!!! It's my birthday and I love snow .. first snow of the season on my birthday here in NJ. YEAH.
And my freestudy is only jebbing a tiny bit.
Now I'm going to VERY CAREFULLY go outside with camera. |
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12/02/2007 09:04:53 AM · #2110 |
 Happy Birthday  JerseyGenie. Enjoy your snow. |
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12/02/2007 09:11:48 AM · #2111 |
happy birthday JerseyGenie. we'll make a snowman for you!
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12/02/2007 10:34:12 AM · #2112 |
Originally posted by JerseyGenie:
Now I'm going to VERY CAREFULLY go outside with camera. |
*Holds breath*
Have a good birthday :-) |
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12/02/2007 10:38:10 AM · #2113 |
| Happy Birthday Jeanne! Be careful, it's changed to ice here... |
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12/02/2007 10:48:17 AM · #2114 |
| Even better news ... new DPC toy from husband!!!! Canon Rebelxti D400. Wooooooohoooooo. Thank you for the kind wishes. Now I really have to be careful going outside. |
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12/02/2007 11:00:18 AM · #2115 |
| Thanks guys for the comments left here on my post you are all right and I do need to start looking at my pictures in a different way. Sometimes I just take the shot and then look at it for post proccessing and go from there. So will try looking at things in a different way. |
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12/02/2007 11:10:40 AM · #2116 |
Where's Marlin Perkins when you need him?
this week's OOBIE |
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12/02/2007 11:42:20 AM · #2117 |
Happy birthday Jeanne, enjoy your white stuff, LOL and keep it too.. Susan keep the faith, I doubt a lovely lady with your attitude will be single much longer. BTW âBrutâ damn girl if your gonna drink champagne get something palatable⦠Jeb, Ernie, jobs come and jobs go hereâs hoping you soon find the job thatâs right, right now. (Well it makes sense to me, I think, oh well, itâs a good hope)
On the personal side.
They are coming, he-he, Iâm like a kid at Christmas.. Update soon..
Lately I have not done well at entering challenges, doing my own thing, and it rarely has anything to do with whatâs being offered in recent contests. I did enter free study 4.8 hummm, I like it, low scoreâ¦.Perfect, I still suck, âI hope I still belongâ..
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12/02/2007 11:44:29 AM · #2118 |
| Happy Birthday Jeanne! You share a birthday with my mom, who was born on her mother's birthday. Congrats on the new toy, too! Looking forward to shots of snow - make sure you post a few here! |
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12/02/2007 11:48:20 AM · #2119 |
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12/02/2007 11:49:17 AM · #2120 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
Where's Marlin Perkins when you need him? |
lol, that's a name I have not heard in a loooooooong time
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12/02/2007 01:46:19 PM · #2121 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
QED
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Originally posted by posthumous:
Centering works sometimes. If Bresson can do it...
//www.coldbacon.com/pics/cartier-bresson/cartier-bresson-newengland1947.jpg
why can't Rosemary? |
Actually, neither strongly violates the "rule" to my eyes, and the Bresson image uses it to good effect for me. Here's the Mona Lisa with the grid on it:
[thumb]618976[/thumb]
(the link Peter posted was a thin version of the image; the original, or at least what I think is the original, has a bit more width, so I found a wider version online and that's what I used).
Here's the Bresson shot:
[thumb]618979[/thumb]
For example, both place the face outside of the center box, and while the Mona Lisa has no strong interaction with any of the points, that's not unusual placement for a portrait (my eyes, for example, are quite comfortable with a portrait composed that way).
For me, the Bresson image works well with thirds, by placing her shoulders nearly across the top line, and her left side nearly against the left line. It's not about being precise, it's about being pleasing to the eye. That Bresson's subject's face is centered, so long it is outside the center box, doesn't bother me one whit given the overall composition.
Do I always follow the rule? Well, yes and no. Yes if you're asking if I always consider it, no if you're asking if my subject is always on an intersection. I'm happy to have a relatively small (ie, not frame filling) centered subject if what I'm trying to accomplish is to de-emphasize -- either visually or metaphorically -- that subject. But that, technically, is following the rule. I will also move my subject outside the lines if I want to de-emphasize it:
Notice I got a comment that a different composition would have put the subject (me!) on the third; I didn't want me on the third, I wanted to appear lost in the image.
I always run the RoT action on my images; always. I don't always change my composition to "meet it" in the end, but I will always try it first. I think it considerably strengthened this image where I had considered a closer crop with a more frame filling but centered beastie:
For me, it's about investigating the possibilities, and considering the RoT helps me do that. For Rosemary, as Jeffrey said, it's all about a particular image, and it's really hard to say without seeing the image. Placing your subject on the RoT intersection might work, it might not. But using it or not should be a choice, not something serendipitous (except for those who have an innate sense of composition; I do not, I have to work at it).
Now, keep in mind, I don't have as good of a feel for this as Jeffrey does, and I certainly can't ignore it with the same wonderful outcomes that Peter gets. So take everything here with a grain of salt!
Jeanne, happy birthday! Um, would you please let us know once you get back inside? I don't want Peter to pass out from holding his breath! :)
Best,
Bruce
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12/02/2007 01:56:07 PM · #2122 |
Thanks Bruce, will do...and make that a grain of iodized sea salt for me!!! :-)
And Ernie, thanks for the kind words. And cats are remarkably perceptive, Octopussy is also very protective of me when things ain't going right. Many a night too he stays on the bed with me and purrs me to sleep, then vanishes (probably to guest room or favourite chair) and returns by morning shortly before I wake up. And if there's one face I'd like to see last thing at night and first thing in the morning, better it be my cock-eyed cat than a sullen, snoring pile of bedclothes!
Message edited by author 2007-12-02 13:59:33. |
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12/02/2007 02:55:44 PM · #2123 |
Very nice analysis, Bruce! Is there a specific RoT action? I just check (and not all that often, I'm afraid) by turning the "grid" on, which I've set to thirds, in Photoshop.
An aside - it rained here in Kuwait this evening! Smells wonderful! We even had lightning and thunder and such. I'm awaiting a flight to Iraq. It's a fun process, this waiting for flights. I even found a computer to commandeer for a few minutes.
Another aside. I will not be complaining about my free study. I'm more than pleased with it as far as scoring and such goes. I will, however, turn scores back off before SP goes into voting. :-)
Where's Jeanne and her pictures, hmmm? |
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12/02/2007 03:47:27 PM · #2124 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Very nice analysis, Bruce! Is there a specific RoT action? I just check (and not all that often, I'm afraid) by turning the "grid" on, which I've set to thirds, in Photoshop.
An aside - it rained here in Kuwait this evening! Smells wonderful! We even had lightning and thunder and such. I'm awaiting a flight to Iraq. It's a fun process, this waiting for flights. I even found a computer to commandeer for a few minutes.
Another aside. I will not be complaining about my free study. I'm more than pleased with it as far as scoring and such goes. I will, however, turn scores back off before SP goes into voting. :-)
Where's Jeanne and her pictures, hmmm? |
It's rained in Kuwait? Does the U.S. government know? If it did, maybe it would find someone responsible to kidnap . . .
Rule of Thirds: I use this (zipped file) action (instructions here in pdf), which crops the image when you're done to however you've composed it. It's not ideal, actually, as you can't easily "stop" it if you decide not to crop (I tend to hit escape, then go back in history and delete the first step of the action). I had my own action for awhile, but I "lost" it when I upgraded to CS3 (due to stupidity on my part, not Adobe's).
Consider everything I said in light of this [user]boysetsfire[/user] entry in stop action; I think placing the surfer on the intersections of the third lines would have ruined this image; I'm glad Nick either ignores RoT or knows when to use it in this way:
BTW, I have played around with lots of actions from ATN, available on this page. Have fun!
Oh, and yes, Jeanne!! Calling Jeanne!!!
Bruce
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12/02/2007 04:22:31 PM · #2125 |
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