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12/18/2007 06:03:45 PM · #2526

Originally posted by snaffles:

Originally posted by noraneko:

Originally posted by kashi:
Can someone give me a real quick version of Wabi-Sabi for dummies ? I read the wiki entry and still don't have a clue what it's about.

Believe it or not, the study of wabi-sabi was a big part of my master's courses in ancient Japanese literature. That doesn't necessarily qualify me, as a westerner, to provide the Japanese meaning of wabi-sabi, but I'll attempt to give the quick and dirty. And while the western title given to the challenge leaves out a critical part of wabi-sabi, I have a hunch that the winner will incorporate a sense of the original Japanese essence of the word, simply because a well-done photo that does so it likely to be more evocative than one that does not.

Confused yet?

To me a better translation of wabi-sabi is "the transience of beauty", "beauty and sadness" or "beauty and loneliness." "Sabi" is the root word for sabishii, which means "sadness" among other things.

The sadness and inevitability of the transience of all things is what I consider to be the true essence of wabi-sabi.

Robert Frost's poem "Nothing Gold Can Stay" is probably the best Western version of the wabi-sabi concept I've come across, though it's much longer and detailed than Japanese poetry.

I'll leave you with my two favorite Japanese poems, one a line by an unknown monk from the 8th century, one a more modern-day haiku by the famous poet Basho:

"The World of Dew is the World of Dew...And Yet, and Yet..." (The world is transitory, all things are passing and the passing is inevitable, and yet we try to cling on. It's so hard for us to accept that nothing is permanent.)

"For a Lovely Bowl
Let Us Arrange These Flowers
Since There is No Rice"
-Basho

Hope this helps and doesn't confuse you further.... :-)

*scratching head*Thanks for the info noraneko....hmm...ok...but I think I'll stick with the hot, lime-green horseradish mustard paste that you have with sushi ;-)

LOL...next challenge, the wabi-sabi of wasabi. Let's show how there's nothing permanent about wasabi, unless you eat too much of it, and then, well, that's another story.

JuliBoc

Apple iPhone 6s+

12/18/2007 06:12:46 PM · #2527

You know, this Wabi-Sabi business is a good example of why I find DPC challenging and interesting. I hadn't heard of Wabi-Sabi a week ago, and now I am seeing and appreciating it all around me. Thank you Christian for introducing it, thank you Catherine for expanding on it, thank you everyone who has questioned and discussed it, and thank you DPC for opening my eyes a little wider.

noraneko

Canon EOS R5

12/18/2007 07:27:53 PM · #2528

Originally posted by JuliBoc:

There's nothing better than learning about other cultures and customs, in my book at least. Wabi-sabi just happens to be one I know a smidgen about (and I'm not joking when I say smidgen - I've barely scratched the surface).

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

12/18/2007 10:01:43 PM · #2529

And I think wasabi is best served in smidgens. :-) For those who've never been brave enough to try sushi... Note that I am NOT a food person by nature, but I did have to try sushi one night or go hungry, and I was quite hungry, so I tried - very cautiously, I might add. Not a fan of the wasabi, though - don't like horseradish either. But if you like fish (that's kind of a biggie), try at least a piece of salmon or tuna on a little roll of rice. It's REALLY a lot better than you think!

krnodil

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/18/2007 10:09:22 PM · #2530

Would anyone be willing to give me some feedback on my wabi-sabi entry, of course agreeing not to vote on it? It's been about a month and a half since I've entered anything, and I'm having a confidence crisis and can't seem to decide...

Then again, maybe I'm having the crisis because none of them are truly any good.... :)

Message edited by author 2007-12-18 22:09:42.

noraneko

Canon EOS R5

12/18/2007 10:10:42 PM · #2531

Sushi is an acquired taste, no doubt, but once you acquire it, you start to crave it...and it's much better for you than chocolate -- at least in large doses :-) Deb's right - start with the easy stuff (i.e. California rolls) and ease into it. Tuna and salmon are usually the "easiest" fish for those not used to raw fish to try. Then move up to such delights as raw sea urchin gonads. If you think I'm kidding, look up "uni". Lip-smacking good!

meyers

Canon EOS-6D

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

12/19/2007 12:25:18 AM · #2532

Theistic perspectives and what passes for scores are up in the results thread. Congrats to

hipychik and

bmartuch for their respective top scores, and to

wildcard for overtaking

Melethia for the weekly top score.

Next week I'll be at the at the in-laws, and might be late updating the results thread on Sunday and Tuesday. I strongly discourage anyone from trying to do this by hand. Before I wrote these scripts, back when we had about a third of the people we have now, it took me forever to find everyone's entries. I don't know how

quiet_observation did it all that time.

It's been about six weeks since I got something entered; should I move myself to Team Zombie? I did get my son a digital camera, and he thinks it's the greatest toy in the world!

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

12/19/2007 12:33:10 AM · #2533

Originally posted by meyers:

Originally posted by Melethia:
Do you ever have those days when EVERYTHING you try to edit just looks like crap?

If I add up all those days together I can figure out how old I am..

Thanks, Rob, for a subtle yet very smile-inducing quip. :)

Catherine, thanks for the detailed explanation of wabi-sabi, but I'm afraid I'm jes' a simple boy who don' get that deep stuff. Like, what's Mountain Dew got ta do wif it? ;)

meyers

Canon EOS-6D

12/19/2007 12:35:54 AM · #2534

Originally posted by levyj413:

Thanks, Rob, for a subtle yet very smile-inducing quip. :)

Sometimes I'm too subtle. I remember one year telling my coworkers that my drivers license was expiring later that week, but none of them made the connection that (in the US) licenses expire on your birthday!. Then literally the day after one of them happened to ask when my birthday was..

JuliBoc

Apple iPhone 6s+

12/19/2007 01:40:23 AM · #2535

Capturing this Wabi-Sabi before it jebs tomorrow.

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12/19/2007 04:20:57 AM · #2536

I turned scores on. I've been waiting to watch my eBay do a reverse Jeb, but ain't happenin'. It's not in brown territory, not in mediocresville, but somewhere between the two. What's that? Beigeville? The BitE will Jeb. Nicely at 6.6 at the moment but on it's way down.

Here's one I didn't enter (totally unrelated to entry) because I used one advanced editing step:

I like my entry well enough, but I like this one better.

Update: Starting to Jeb nicely in Everyday! :-)

Message edited by author 2007-12-19 06:23:51.

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G IF-ED VR

12/19/2007 06:35:31 AM · #2537

And every once in awhile, we get clouds here this time of year. :-)

Bruce_the_Robert

Nikon D7000

12/19/2007 07:48:16 AM · #2538

Originally posted by meyers:

It's been about six weeks since I got something entered; should I move myself to Team Zombie? I did get my son a digital camera, and he thinks it's the greatest toy in the world!

To answer your question: No! If I don't get onto Team Zombie with my self-enforced abstinence, then you don't get on simply through attrition!

To your statement (about the camera for your sun), is it any good? The difference between the U.S. rating and the U.K. one makes me wonder if they sell a different camera "here" in the U.K. (I put "here" in quotation marks because I'm currently in Germany; but that is neither here nor there . . . well, I mean, it is here, or there, but it is also neither here nor there. Get it? Good, I don't, either).

U.S. reviews here (four stars).

U.K. reviews here (two and a half stars).

What's that about?

Message edited by author 2007-12-19 08:02:50.

meyers

Canon EOS-6D

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

12/19/2007 08:44:17 AM · #2539

Originally posted by rheverly:

To your statement (about the camera for your sun), is it any good? The difference between the U.S. rating and the U.K. one makes me wonder if they sell a different camera "here" in the U.K. (I put "here" in quotation marks because I'm currently in Germany; but that is neither here nor there . . . well, I mean, it is here, or there, but it is also neither here nor there. Get it? Good, I don't, either).

U.S. reviews here (four stars).

U.K. reviews here (two and a half stars).

What's that about?

We do have the "new" version, and it's not an SLR, but it's very sturdy, which is a good quality for a camera you're putting in the hands of a 3 year old. The real resolution is only 640x480, but that's fine for web viewing. I figure this buys me a couple of years before he starts eyeing my Canon 5D.

basssman7

Nikon D500

12/19/2007 09:40:26 AM · #2540

Well, my BITE is sucking along at 5.40. I was hoping for better, but prepared for worse...

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

12/19/2007 11:58:11 AM · #2541

Ernie, what you call sucking makes me elated -

Beauty In The Everyday

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esp as I took it with my new D40, all set on auto as I've not yet read instruction manual!!! Woohoo!

jaysonmc

Nikon D200

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

12/19/2007 12:40:12 PM · #2542

My Beauty in Everyday is sitting at 5.09.
I did get a wonderful comment from Deb, so that is a perk. Though I have never seen Deb give a negative comment before. :)

On a side note, if any Team Suck members get up to Seattle by chance and want to go on a photo Op, let me know. I like that kind of stuff. Looks like Jeffrey recently came up and had a terrific time checking out all the site. I wasn't with him which probably explains the good time he had. :)

Cheers all.

jaysonmc

Nikon D200

Nikon MF 105mm f/2.5 AIS

12/19/2007 12:41:25 PM · #2543

Also, a belated congrats Catherine on your recent accomplishment!

basssman7

Nikon D500

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

12/19/2007 12:43:09 PM · #2544

Originally posted by snaffles:

But I am considering that I was up to my "important parts" in snow for 15 minutes while taking mine!

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

12/19/2007 12:43:40 PM · #2545

I think I want to join a team in "Team Suck" so I can be part of the official voting etc. Anyone want to point me down the path?

R.

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

12/19/2007 12:59:20 PM · #2546

Robert, you must petition our Fearless Leader who will find some task for you to accomplish (I'm betting poetry will be involved.) But really there's no specific voting, unless you mean OOBIEs and YAPPIEs. We don't have a secret thread (though possibly a secret handshake, but I certainly can't tell you any more than that) and we don't see each other's entries except when someone asks for help (and non-voting that goes with that).

krnodil

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

12/19/2007 01:00:21 PM · #2547

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I think I want to join a team in "Team Suck" so I can be part of the official voting etc. Anyone want to point me down the path?

R.

Where have you been? :-D

We had a whole discussion about you way back - start at

posthumous's post on 11/07/2007 at 3PM...

Kelli and I are still waiting to hear what you think of our poems :P

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

12/19/2007 01:01:22 PM · #2548

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I think I want to join a team in "Team Suck" so I can be part of the official voting etc. Anyone want to point me down the path?

R.

You're already approved! Where have you been? Go back quite a few posts and you'll see the poems we wrote in tribute to you to persuade you to our respective teams. You're supposed to pick one... let me know what you thought of mine if you can find it ;)

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

12/19/2007 01:05:57 PM · #2549

Originally posted by Melethia:

Yeah, the OOBIEs and YAPPIEs is what I mean. I'll go look for those posts now. I been confused lately, both mother and father seriously ill and it is very distracting...

R.

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60