These DQs are getting out of hand

01/22/2004 01:24:13 PM · #26

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

Originally posted by Rooster:
Since there has been no response from rgold, I am assuming that the admins called this one correctly. I dont understand the motivation behind the action but how is it obvious that he cheated? Can I ask this question or am I being nosey?

BTW this thread is kinda exciting! Is it wrong that I feel thsi way? :)

Being too nosey. lol ;)

Thanks! I needed to hear that! Curosity can be soo evil!

StevePax

Canon PowerShot S50

01/22/2004 01:40:17 PM · #27

I really wanna be a member of the site council. I love all this espionage they are getting into!

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

01/22/2004 01:43:24 PM · #28

Originally posted by StevePax:

I really wanna be a member of the site council. I love all this espionage they are getting into!

i'll vote u in!

Beagleboy

Canon EOS-30D

01/22/2004 01:45:48 PM · #29

Instead of getting a Licence to Kill like James Bond you'll get aLicence to Disqualify.

mariomel

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/22/2004 01:48:33 PM · #30

Originally posted by Beagleboy:

Instead of getting a Licence to Kill like James Bond you'll get aLicence to Disqualify.

The name is Pax. Steve Pax. ;p

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

01/22/2004 01:49:31 PM · #31

Still no reply. :(

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/22/2004 01:52:40 PM · #32

if you take the photo -w/in the posted dates, and follow the accompanying rule set you won't have to worry about it being disqualified. al you have to do is read, and if you can't do that your photography should be put aside until you fix your illiteracy issues.

i would be willing to submit my original with the challenge submission just to eliminate this whole discussion.

why is so difficult to follow a set of rules, and why would you feel the need to enter something illegal - its not like you get a cash prize or anything...

its good to see folks are enforcing the rules, maybe the DQ'd folks should be listed on the main page with a reason as to why they were eliminated from the challenge - like the dunce cap, or the bad boy chair, or go to your room you are grounded.

EDIT: of course there would be exceptions to this, if it was an honest mistake, i suppose

Message edited by author 2004-01-22 13:54:06.

Rgold

Canon EOS-10D

01/22/2004 01:57:29 PM · #33

Sorry to get you all in a twist... Had to work for a while. I am actually quite flattered that someone would take the time to go back and "investigate" photos that were entered so long ago! Whoever was the person, or according to the admins, numerous persons, that complained, THANK YOU! That is probably the nicest comment I've received on this site! As hbunch stated, I haven't entered anything for over three months because of the blatent rules violations and no one seeming to do anything about it. I only hope that you will now go back through every photo ever entered and verify it's validity to the challenge it was entered in.

01/22/2004 01:57:54 PM · #34

the cheaters seem to be outing themselves in threads like this one.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/22/2004 02:00:17 PM · #35

Originally posted by Rgold:

As hbunch stated, I haven't entered anything for over three months because of the blatent rules violations and no one seeming to do anything about it.

Ooh, this is even better than all of the possible responses I'd thought of!

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

01/22/2004 02:02:41 PM · #36

Originally posted by Rgold:

I'm the curious cat- did you or didn't you submit illegal shots for challenges?

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

01/22/2004 02:03:38 PM · #37

Originally posted by Rgold:

We do disqualify all blatant rules violations. If you ever see any that are violations, all you have to do is request disqualification on it and it will be verified.

Shannon

Nikon Coolpix 5700

01/22/2004 02:22:17 PM · #38

I think requesting the originals on all the top placement will eventually end the problem of cheaters all together, before people would think that they could slip by and noone will notice, now they know that there is no point cheating, because if they win they will be check and they will be disqualified, so soon enough they will realize that there is no point to cheating, atleast that is what I hope happens.

Shannon

vonautsch

Nikon Coolpix B500

01/22/2004 02:54:05 PM · #39

Originally posted by EddyG:

All I'll say is that we are actively pursuing people who violated the rules when submitting to a challenge. As Drew has stated several times now, cheating will not be tolerated on this site, regardless of how long ago the offense occurred.

Doh!!! This means my 'Insects' challenge entry will probably disappear since I never had the date set on my camera!!!

Sniffle...sniffle...I'll miss you!!!

I sure hope I don't get labled as a cheater and suspended!

bcvieira

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

01/22/2004 03:23:44 PM · #40

Everything on this topic is just about said, so I probably should just allow it to die, but I would really like to bring back peecee's idea:

Originally posted by peecee:

If you cheat you should be seen to have cheated.
Keep it out in the open, no secret sessions.
Just my two penneth.
Paul.

It probably takes an enormous amount of work, but I would appreciate a "Desqualified Zone" in the end of the chart. That way you wouldn't have that "I-think-there-was-a-picture-here-but-now-its-gone-but-then-again-I-might-be-wrong" kind of feeling.

rickhd13

Sigma 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DL Aspherical IF Hyperzoom for Canon

01/22/2004 03:44:27 PM · #41

Actually I think the way that the site council is handling this now is going to be a huge benefit to the site.

Requesting the originals during the challenge is a perfect way to avoid the photo being DQed after the challenge ends and the winners are posted.

If the person doesn't submit their original within the timeframe that is requested, the photo should be DQed in accordance to the rules.

There should be no exceptions made for excuses such as "I had the date set wrong on my camera" or "I was out of town that week & couldn't respond".

I also think that a page that shows the photo that was DQed and the reason that it was DQed would be a good thing. The photographer's name doesn't need to be posted to avoid embarassment, but it would be nice to know the reasons so that they might be avoided in the future.

Sure would beat the hell out of 75 different "What happened to that picture" posts every week.

GoldBerry

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

01/22/2004 03:56:40 PM · #42

...........sigh........still wondering why there are date requirements to begin with.........

JoelHSmith

Fujifilm FinePix S1 Pro

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

01/22/2004 03:59:00 PM · #43

I fully support DQs. Set the date on your camera and everything will be fine. Nothing hard or unfair about that.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/22/2004 03:59:25 PM · #44

I think everyone who responded after you asked the first time pretty much explained it.

It's not really a challenge, especially for many people, to just dig through old photos. The challenge is to be able to find something within a short amount of time. It's especially unfair when you consider the length of time some people have been into photography and the size of their portfolios. I'd much rather go up against someone else who is out trying to find something to fit the challenge than someone who has 20,000 photos that they can choose from.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

01/22/2004 03:59:58 PM · #45

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

...........sigh........still wondering why there are date requirements to begin with.........

The date requirements are part of the challenge concept. The challenge isn't much of a challenge if you can use photos from a large and possibly old library of images.

alanfreed

Nikon Z9

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/22/2004 04:05:40 PM · #46

Here's my solution to the whole problem: STOP CHEATING. Yeesh. I mean, it's not like there's a big cash prize for earning a ribbon here. Nobody is going to pull into your driveway with a brand new car with a giant bow on it. This site is all about fun, and learning.

How valuable is that ribbon to you if you know you cheated in the first place? How much pride do you have in ANY shot you have entered here that was done outside the rules?

Seriously... if I earned my ribbons by cheating, I really don't think I would have a whole lot of pride in them. It feels good to win a ribbon; it feels better to earn ribbons knowing that I earned them legitimately.

rickhd13

Sigma 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DL Aspherical IF Hyperzoom for Canon

01/22/2004 04:19:10 PM · #47

Originally posted by alansfreed:

Cheating is not the problem in all cases. I have had a couple photo's DQed, not because I cheated, but because of a misinterpretation of the rules. I took my DQ and realized it was my mistake, and I moved on.

I don't understand the urge to cheat, on this site especially...the grand super supreme prize for winning a challenge is a little group of blue, red or yellow pixels that form a little bitty ribbon.

Please don't blanket everyone that has been DQed as cheaters, as this is unfair to them. But if you did cheat purposely, then you should be punished however the site council & admins see fit.

GoldBerry

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

01/22/2004 04:19:24 PM · #48

Originally posted by mk:

[it was a different thread and i didn't realize anyone had responded so quickly].
I think that most people here challenge themselves everyday when taking their photos, that's the impression I get anyways. By that I mean, just because time has passed since a photo was taken doesn't negate the amount of thought and energy that intially went into it. I've read everyone's responses and I can see/understand all of your points of view, I don't necessarily agree, but I get it now..it's very important to alot of people so that's cool.

Message edited by author 2004-01-23 10:24:15.

agwright