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 01/23/2004 03:19:13 PM · #51
Originally posted by mbardeen:


f they are so concerned about the welfare of all the people under this leader, why aren't they concerned about the welfare of the people under the oppresive regime in China? If we were to uphold to the same standard held in Iraq, we should obviously invade China, depose their government, and free their people.



Or North Korea, where famine and drought is rampant but money is invested in trifles like, oh, NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

If NK was sittin' on an oilfield, we'd have been in there faster than you can say "dick cheney."

Message edited by author 2004-01-23 15:19:37.
 01/23/2004 03:35:01 PM · #52
Originally posted by muckpond:
Meanwhile, there's a "Penguin Bashing" thread on the General Discussion forum.

I know this is a photo site, but we're also still a community that interacts on a number of levels. This particular thread probably does belong in "Rant," but I'm just sayin'......


Thanks, Mucky ;)
 01/23/2004 03:47:35 PM · #53
Originally posted by mbardeen:


Don't believe for a second that American foreign policy is much influenced by the plight of the common person. It is far more influenced by the plight of the wallet.


I'm not naive to any extent, money makes the world go round and I had earlier pointed out that yes it's obvious that the US is reaping oil rewards from Iraq. EVery country is run by money and lead by money..financially any dispute with another country is dentrimental unless there is revenue to be made. Further more, I would like to personally shake whomever developed Canadian Peace Keepers to make Canada look like the sun shines out of our ass, without having to actually take any action or get dirt on our hands at all.. before tarring and feathering the states for ill action, take a look at Canada's own tidy ideas and motives [ask any peacekeeper, they're cocky as hell 'for serving their country' but they've never done a tap other than dig their own mud hut and sit in filth for 6 months at a time so Chretien can say "see, we are doing something"]. We reap the rewards for other people's actions. The company I currently work for is bending the rules to make millions in housing to rebuild Iraq, it sickens me. Canadians have their heads up their asses so far that the pollution debate is irrelevent to them since the air is pretty thin up there to begin with.

Message edited by author 2004-01-23 15:51:59.
 01/23/2004 03:50:46 PM · #54
clinton's environmental legacy

//diyenviro.tripod.com/bclinton.htm

//www-tech.mit.edu/V117/N28/hove.28o.html

//www.satyamag.com/oct96/clinton.html

//forests.org/archive/america/amerdrea.htm

//www.nationalcenter.org/TSR21302.html
 01/23/2004 03:53:47 PM · #55
Originally posted by cshep:
We were told that Iraq had specific ties to Osama Bin Laden and Al Queada (sp?)


You know the scary thing - apparently almost 70% of Americans still believe this stupidity - even when the Bush administration (who had the most to gain by perpetuating the nonsense) on several occasions also indicated that there was no evidence of this. (In fact common sense points to it being the complete opposite).
 01/23/2004 04:00:58 PM · #56
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by cshep:
We were told that Iraq had specific ties to Osama Bin Laden and Al Queada (sp?)


You know the scary thing - apparently almost 70% of Americans still believe this stupidity - even when the Bush administration (who had the most to gain by perpetuating the nonsense) on several occasions also indicated that there was no evidence of this. (In fact common sense points to it being the complete opposite).


i think it just speaks to the terrible state of our intelligience system
 01/23/2004 04:03:29 PM · #57
Originally posted by achiral:

i think it just speaks to the terrible state of our intelligience system


You mean the intelligence services, or the 'intelligience system' of the average American ?



01/23/2004 05:09:25 PM · #58
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by KarenB:
As Site Council Member: I appreciate this topic... and also appreciate the level of conversation it holds, but, if you don't mind.. I'm gonna put this in the rant forum.

Personally - I think it's general discussion. Closed doors don't help anyone.



I understand.. However, this is not closed doors, it is merely a rant forum. This topic is not photography related on a photography site which is why I moved it to a more appropriate venue.


lets not have double standards shall we.

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=65962

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=66263
 01/23/2004 06:12:34 PM · #59
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by achiral:

i think it just speaks to the terrible state of our intelligience system


You mean the intelligence services, or the 'intelligience system' of the average American ?

Yes.
 01/23/2004 06:17:42 PM · #60
Originally posted by achiral:
my argument was getting more at the idea that the article quoted stats based on his viewpoint, not viewpoint based on stats. anyone can go find stats to support any position these days. i wasn't questioning the credibility of the sources, merely showing that the writer found several stats based on his position, which is easy to do for any position. i would look down on any kind of statistical representation of that sort

I agree anyone can probably assemble a set of statistics to support any viewpoint. But that should just make one pause and ask whether the assemblage makes and sense, and to think about them individually -- not reject them out of hand.
 01/23/2004 07:44:19 PM · #61
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by Imagineer:
Originally posted by KarenB:
As Site Council Member: I appreciate this topic... and also appreciate the level of conversation it holds, but, if you don't mind.. I'm gonna put this in the rant forum.

Personally - I think it's general discussion. Closed doors don't help anyone.



I understand.. However, this is not closed doors, it is merely a rant forum. This topic is not photography related on a photography site which is why I moved it to a more appropriate venue.


lets not have double standards shall we.

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=65962

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=66263


You're right.. I try to get them when I can, and when I am not at work, or at swim team, basketball or voice lessons and practice with the kids.
:)
Thanks though.
 01/23/2004 10:20:03 PM · #62
Two observations from this thread so far: some of those who read as if offended by opinions that Bush ought to do more on environmental lines have stated that the others are 'blaming' Bush for the problems. Not so. We're just asking that he and his country join in the effort to do something about it.

Secondly the idea the the Invasion of Iraq was for humanitarian reasons is ridiculous. Right off the top of my head: Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Borneo (or whatever we're to call it now), Israel, and on and on, quite possibly including Turkey, Germany, oh, and what's the name of that country that's locked all those guys up in Guantanamo Bay without any legal recourse whatsoever? And the UK for toadying along with it, naturally (which is perhaps even more heinous that initiating it). And hell, if he really wanted to act on those kind of beliefs, what was wrong with Cuba as a target? Damn sight cheaper ...

Ed
 01/24/2004 05:20:03 AM · #63
Originally posted by e301:
Two observations from this thread so far: some of those who read as if offended by opinions that Bush ought to do more on environmental lines have stated that the others are 'blaming' Bush for the problems. Not so. We're just asking that he and his country join in the effort to do something about it.

Absolutely spot-on.

We 'civilised' nations with similar philosophies ought to set the standards for others to follow, especially considering our drain on resources. Have a look at some of these statistics to see why more should be done than lazily waiting for our collective apathy to aid the demise of the lush planet we inherited.
Nuclear tests I was quite shocked to understand that there have been 528 air-burst nuclear weapons since 1945.
CO2 Emissions

Message edited by author 2004-01-24 05:23:28.
 01/24/2004 08:04:21 AM · #64
//www.iraqfoundation.org/projects/edenagain/

I think this speaks for itself.
 01/26/2004 07:08:00 PM · #65
lots of good information for the interested can be found here
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