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08/22/2007 09:54:32 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
I mean if the challenge was "Planets" and someone submits a photo of a person in a car. Does that meet the criteria?
Thats my point of view on this subject. |
What if the car was a Saturn?
MattO
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08/22/2007 09:56:29 AM · #52 |
| I will say that most the challenges and their discriptions leave much to the interpetation of the submitter and the voter. When you give people a broad guildline for which to follow, you will get many who venture to the edge of the guildlines. You will also have those whose take the challenge description to the literal sense of the words and have a very narrow interpetation of what will meet the challenge. Is either one more correct than the other? I don't, I think that it's the beauty of individuality and how we all percieve things differently sometimes. I've really only been part of this community since Feb of this year(registerd before but never participated) but have noticed in the forums that there are those who are unhappy that thier photo got a DNMC and that people are being too narrow in their interpetation, and then there are those who are unhappy that a photo got too much credit when it DNMC in their interpetaion. I'm not taking sides in this debate I just think people on both sides need to remember that their are people voting and submitting on this site who may think differently than you. There are people from all over the world here so you have cultural, religous,political and many other influences that may different from your own. I'm not saying you can't continue to vote and submitt either way but realize that people will see things differently than you and score or comment accordingly. I't doesn;t make either of your wrong, just different. just my 2 cents. Have fun shooting! |
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08/22/2007 10:00:02 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
I mean if the challenge was "Planets" and someone submits a photo of a person in a car. Does that meet the criteria?
Thats my point of view on this subject. |
What if the car was a Saturn?
MattO |
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08/22/2007 10:09:21 AM · #54 |
I don't know how anyone is really challenging this guys argument. Just looking at past challenges, it seems that trying to "think outside of the box" is now the new box. Fastfood was a great example, but at least the ribbon winners did follow the descriptions. I know some of them are open to interpretation in a sense, such as SACRED is, because it is very broad.
Not that im Johnny Photog #1 or anything, but just based on what I have seen over the years and looking at the works of the "greats", a landscape is supposed to focus on the beauty of the landscape. The photo of the kids playing is great! Great shot! But the focus is obviously on the kids playing. The setting is beautiful but the focus is definitely the kids.
The blue ribbon shot, again is wonderful, but the main focus are the animals, not the surroundings. I guess this one is a little harder to argue, because they are part of the environment.
The yellow is what I would (and I would think most people would) refer to as a very classic rural landscape.
I find it ironic, because a lot of times when you ask for ideas for a photo shoot on DPC, the first thing most people say is "ask the client what they want." When voting, I view the challenges as assignments and the descriptions as the guidelines. In school, if the professor said WRITE A 10 PAGE PAPER ON NAPOLEON, and you hand in a 5 page paper on napoleon dynamite, your grade would surely reflect it. The opposite appears to hold true here. |
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08/22/2007 10:14:34 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by JaimeVinas:
I mean if the challenge was "Planets" and someone submits a photo of a person in a car. Does that meet the criteria?
Thats my point of view on this subject. |
What if the car was a Saturn?
MattO |
LMAO. Too funny :) |
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08/22/2007 10:14:42 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
....In school, if the professor said WRITE A 10 PAGE PAPER ON NAPOLEON, and you hand in a 5 page paper on napoleon dynamite, your grade would surely reflect it.... |
Yah but did the professor say Napoleon Bonaparte the French leader of Waterloo fame or did the professor just say Napoleon? ;)
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08/22/2007 10:18:22 AM · #57 |
I say keep the challenge topics, just lose the description.
The person who submitted the challenge has a certain idea of what the challenge should be but rather than limit the challenge to one person's view open it up to everyone's interpretation.
Interpreting the title of the challenge is much easier than trying to decipher the description as can be seen from the discussion about recent challenges. |
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08/22/2007 10:54:36 AM · #58 |
I sorta have to agree with eyewave (didn't vote so no right to complain though) ... rural to me would be an area of sparse population, but to me should have some sign of human settlement.
I would probably pass Highnooner's photo off as rural, but not a landscape.
It is truly my humble opinion that the voters have once again failed... not their fault though,... they just like the pretty colors. They are lovely pic sthough. Highnooner's is particularly amazing to me.
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08/22/2007 11:14:12 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by Shadowi6:
Me thinks their might be some sour grapes behind this one.
if the majortity of voters vote think it deserverd to win then you should let it go |
I don't think being complacent based the fact that something won is at all healthy.
Sometimes the voters are wrong (well, imo). They miss things quite often and could use an occasional swat on the head.
Just an opinion but I think the image still meets the Challenge by a more loose definition of rural, even if there isn't a strong, direct agricultural, scattered settlement vibe to it.
I just did some research and found that there are nearly 700 deer raoming the park (link). Really beautiful hope to see it again soon.
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 11:15:15. |
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08/22/2007 11:49:14 AM · #60 |
I did not vote Alex's in the challenge, but would have likely scored it a 7 or 8. Perhaps it's a more European thing to do, but it would have brought up thoughts of "game preserves" to me, which would be rural in every sense. (Being controlled by humans for their own gain, ie hunting) The fact that Alex actually shot it on a preserve only reinforces it for me.
I gave Highnooner a 9. I did ponder for a while whether it qualified as "landscape" (and I did vote some lower which I did not think were landscapes), but ultimately decided it was. I would consider all the pictures of Antelope Canyon to be landscape shots (although what I would call "intimate landscape") and this one is of a similar vein. Sure the shot is improved by the boys swimming, but we just had a discussion that people can add a dimension to landscape photography. Without the canyon, IMO, the shot would have been much different.
So the bottom line is I'm not disappointed with the Top 2. For once I'm just happy to not be part of the controversy. :) Apparently I'm over-saturated, but I squarely fit the topic. ;)
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08/22/2007 12:30:26 PM · #61 |
Having grown up in a rural area, near the wilderness of the Highlands of Scotland, I'd say the first picture could certainly be a rural scene. I saw plenty of deer roaming wild on farmland there. I even see deer on a daily basis within the city limits here in Austin, in Texas.
Deer aren't some sort of wilderness only animal.
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08/22/2007 01:13:03 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Having grown up in a rural area, near the wilderness of the Highlands of Scotland, I'd say the first picture could certainly be a rural scene. I saw plenty of deer roaming wild on farmland there. I even see deer on a daily basis within the city limits here in Austin, in Texas.
Deer aren't some sort of wilderness only animal. |
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
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08/22/2007 01:14:38 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Having grown up in a rural area, near the wilderness of the Highlands of Scotland, I'd say the first picture could certainly be a rural scene. I saw plenty of deer roaming wild on farmland there. I even see deer on a daily basis within the city limits here in Austin, in Texas.
Deer aren't some sort of wilderness only animal. |
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
I don't think that's what Gordon is saying. For an urban landscape image the deer would have to be in an image that shows 'urban' like containing buildings of some sort (highrises?). |
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08/22/2007 01:14:54 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
booyah :-)
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08/22/2007 01:15:45 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Having grown up in a rural area, near the wilderness of the Highlands of Scotland, I'd say the first picture could certainly be a rural scene. I saw plenty of deer roaming wild on farmland there. I even see deer on a daily basis within the city limits here in Austin, in Texas.
Deer aren't some sort of wilderness only animal. |
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
if the deer were in a city, then yes... :) |
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08/22/2007 01:18:37 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
As a few have said, yes if they were obviously in a city.
Just saying that deer are very common in rural areas, perhaps more so than in wilderness areas really.
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08/22/2007 01:19:02 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by pekesty:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Having grown up in a rural area, near the wilderness of the Highlands of Scotland, I'd say the first picture could certainly be a rural scene. I saw plenty of deer roaming wild on farmland there. I even see deer on a daily basis within the city limits here in Austin, in Texas.
Deer aren't some sort of wilderness only animal. |
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
I don't think that's what Gordon is saying. For an urban landscape image the deer would have to be in an image that shows 'urban' like containing buildings of some sort (highrises?). |
But rural implies the hand of man...otherwise it is nature and/or wilderness...so for 'rural' like, where's the barn, the shed, the outhouse? |
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08/22/2007 01:23:31 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by daboardergirl:
Originally posted by pekesty:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Having grown up in a rural area, near the wilderness of the Highlands of Scotland, I'd say the first picture could certainly be a rural scene. I saw plenty of deer roaming wild on farmland there. I even see deer on a daily basis within the city limits here in Austin, in Texas.
Deer aren't some sort of wilderness only animal. |
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
if the deer were in a city, then yes... :) |
lol, since you mentioned it...
...from Alex's portfolio.
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 13:26:17. |
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08/22/2007 01:27:52 PM · #69 |
A deer tied to the hood of a pickup truck... THAT's Rural :-)
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08/22/2007 01:28:45 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
A deer tied to the hood of a pickup truck... THAT's Rural :-) |
LOL
So does rural=redneck?
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 13:29:21. |
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08/22/2007 01:30:41 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by pekesty:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Having grown up in a rural area, near the wilderness of the Highlands of Scotland, I'd say the first picture could certainly be a rural scene. I saw plenty of deer roaming wild on farmland there. I even see deer on a daily basis within the city limits here in Austin, in Texas.
Deer aren't some sort of wilderness only animal. |
...so you're saying since deer are in rural areas that automatically makes it a rural photo...you've seen deer in Austin and I've seen them in the Denver metro area often...so by your arguement you are saying this could have also been entered in urban landscapes? |
I don't think that's what Gordon is saying. For an urban landscape image the deer would have to be in an image that shows 'urban' like containing buildings of some sort (highrises?). |
But rural implies the hand of man...otherwise it is nature and/or wilderness...so for 'rural' like, where's the barn, the shed, the outhouse? |
Rural may imply the hand of man, but does it require the hand to be shown? I don't think so. This is a debate of pure opinion. No one will ever be *right*. :) |
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08/22/2007 01:32:10 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
But rural implies the hand of man...otherwise it is nature and/or wilderness...so for 'rural' like, where's the barn, the shed, the outhouse? |
They could be behind you. The challenge definition was 'Of, relating to, or characteristic of the country'
You could argue that it is a badly worded challenge and I wouldn't disagree, but the ribbon winners show rural scenes or at scenes that are characteristic of my experience of rural areas growing up. If a double decker bus crossing a bridge in London had won I'd agree with the view that it was a free study, but clearly it wasn't. The winning images are ones that could easily be seen in rural areas.
Maybe they don't smack you over the head with that, but to me, that's a good thing. The challenge isn't supposed to be a scavenger hunt, its about taking a good photo within the theme.
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 13:51:34.
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08/22/2007 01:50:18 PM · #73 |
I have no doubts!
The winning photos show Rural Landscapes.
I don't need a description to tell me what a Rural Landscape is. I donĂ¢€™t need any description for any challenge theme, neither.
Descriptions are good only for killing the creativity and for the trolls. They love literal interpretations of the challenge descriptions and use them to kill good photographs.
Message edited by author 2007-08-22 13:50:52. |
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08/22/2007 01:58:38 PM · #74 |
The blue ribbon could have been taken by a farmer, walking on the border of his field on a foggy morning. Maybe it's not. But if it was true and some people would vote him down, just because they think they know better, it would be really unfair!
So if there is only a tiny doubt, it meets the challenge IMHO!
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08/22/2007 02:13:51 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by De Sousa:
I have no doubts!
The winning photos show Rural Landscapes.
I don't need a description to tell me what a Rural Landscape is. I donĂ¢€™t need any description for any challenge theme, neither.
Descriptions are good only for killing the creativity and for the trolls. They love literal interpretations of the challenge descriptions and use them to kill good photographs. |
You can't be creative within the limits of a description? This surprises me coming from you! |
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