Crappy attitude about wedding photography

08/20/2007 07:56:43 PM · #176

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

OK since my name has been brought up again I will explain my reasoning for what I did at my first wedding AGAIN! Honestly, I don't have to justify why I did what I did but I will to satisfy the interested parties.

This was my first official wedding. I sold it for $500 because it was my first, the couple were on a very tight budget and I was asked in short notice. I explained what my experience level was and they were fine with that I wanted to give me the chance. They had seen some of my work and felt confident I would do a fine job. In the end, the photos came out fine, the B&G were very happy with what they got and I finally got the experience I needed. Did I make mistakes, yes. Did those mistakes ruin the photos, no. Did the B&G order prints at the regular prices that I have set, yes. Alls well that ends well.

Now, my regular prices don't start at $500, its more that twice that.

As far as the help I have received, yes I did received some very good advise but I've also reached my limit on hearing the sermon from the pulpit from others. I have been told that I shouldn't have even THOUGHT of photographing a wedding. I have been told that just because I have a camera, doesn't make me a photographer and that I would ruin someones once in a life time occasion. I have had a camera in my hand since I was a child. From a polaroid, to a Pentax K1000 from the first 1 mp digital to soon have a brand new Olympus 510. So, I have learned alot, I have alot to learn but dang it, give me was respect and stop insulting my intelligence. I have a regular job until the photography out pays the paycheck I get now. I tried this once before and failed, took my licks and restructured how I created my business, started off slowly and so far, I'm doing pretty good. I know about business. I run a division for a company that does over 2 million dollars in sales a year just at my location. Yes I run it and I understand buying, selling, being a salesman and knowing your customer base. I understand marketing and knowing who your competition is. I deal with advertising and direct marketing on a daily basis. So give me a little credit. With both jobs, I do fine 'supporting my household'. So how I conduct my business, is my business and if I ever ask for advice again, I will choose wisely who to ask.

Don't tell me to just go take pictures Billy Bob's birthday, that's insulting. If you sugguest that I might go and shoot a friend's or relatives birthday celebration to get some more experience, I would probably consider it. There are 2 ways of coming across and being respectful and helpful and encouraging.

I'm not here to step on the so called "professionals" toes or bring a bad name to the photography business but there are some that would like to make it their sole business and I am one of them. We all started somewhere. This is where I started. And to me, I feel I'm succeeding, so far.

You seem to have quite a knack for making everything be about you.

08/20/2007 07:57:22 PM · #177

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

I'm not here to step on the so called "professionals" toes

I am :-)

08/20/2007 07:59:39 PM · #178

Originally posted by mk:

You seem to have quite a knack for making everything be about you.

Ya know what MK, I know you don't like me but my name was brought up again in the post so I felt I would clarify. You don't like it, don't read it!

08/20/2007 08:01:05 PM · #179

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

You seem to have quite a knack for making everything be about you.

Ya know what MK, I know you don't like me but my name was brought up again in the post so I felt I would clarify. You don't like it, don't read it!

You'd probably enjoy DPC more if you didn't feel like every post was written directly to or about you.

08/20/2007 08:02:52 PM · #180

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

You seem to have quite a knack for making everything be about you.

Ya know what MK, I know you don't like me but my name was brought up again in the post so I felt I would clarify. You don't like it, don't read it!

You'd probably enjoy DPC more if you didn't feel like every post was written directly to or about you.

You know nothing about me. Rossbilly brought my name up.

08/20/2007 08:07:13 PM · #181

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

You seem to have quite a knack for making everything be about you.

Ya know what MK, I know you don't like me but my name was brought up again in the post so I felt I would clarify. You don't like it, don't read it!

You'd probably enjoy DPC more if you didn't feel like every post was written directly to or about you.

You know nothing about me. Rossbilly brought my name up.

I don't know you but I have noticed that you frequently get bent out of shape over perceived insults and your responses seem to indicate that you think all of these posts are directed towards you and only you. Since you were just threatening to quit because DPC was upsetting you so much, you might consider a different, more enjoyable view of the forums, that's all.

08/20/2007 08:09:03 PM · #182

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

You seem to have quite a knack for making everything be about you.

Ya know what MK, I know you don't like me but my name was brought up again in the post so I felt I would clarify. You don't like it, don't read it!

You'd probably enjoy DPC more if you didn't feel like every post was written directly to or about you.

You know nothing about me. Rossbilly brought my name up.

I don't know you but I have noticed that you frequently get bent out of shape over perceived insults and your responses seem to indicate that you think all of these posts are directed towards you and only you. Since you were just threatening to quit because DPC was upsetting you so much, you might consider a different, more enjoyable view of the forums, that's all.

I don't think that all MK. If you would like to take your personal problem with me outside the forum you can PM me.

Message edited by author 2007-08-20 20:09:42.

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC HSM for Nikon

08/20/2007 08:09:12 PM · #183

Originally posted by rossbilly:

BTW - I personally think lots of us SHOULD be charging more, including you Gayle,

Gayle, I think he meant you were good enough to be charging more :-)

jdannels

Nikon D300s

08/20/2007 08:10:09 PM · #184

its a good Day of Rants, gotta love Mondays... :-)

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/20/2007 08:13:32 PM · #185

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by rossbilly:

BTW - I personally think lots of us SHOULD be charging more, including you Gayle,

Gayle, I think he meant you were good enough to be charging more :-)

I didn't read it that way if that is what he meant because he went on to say about "supporting a household". I went on the defensive and if I interpereted (sp) incorrectly, then I apologize.

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

08/20/2007 08:24:38 PM · #186

Originally posted by jdannels:

its a good Day of Rants, gotta love Mondays... :-)

Spork99

OM System OM-1

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

08/20/2007 08:31:17 PM · #187

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by mk:

You seem to have quite a knack for making everything be about you.

Ya know what MK, I know you don't like me but my name was brought up again in the post so I felt I would clarify. You don't like it, don't read it!

You'd probably enjoy DPC more if you didn't feel like every post was written directly to or about you.

You know nothing about me. Rossbilly brought my name up.

I don't know you but I have noticed that you frequently get bent out of shape over perceived insults and your responses seem to indicate that you think all of these posts are directed towards you and only you. Since you were just threatening to quit because DPC was upsetting you so much, you might consider a different, more enjoyable view of the forums, that's all.

I don't think that all MK. If you would like to take your personal problem with me outside the forum you can PM me.

You take it personally enough to resort to childish name calling, both in the forums and in PM's.

08/20/2007 08:32:08 PM · #188

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

I didn't read it that way if that is what he meant because he went on to say about "supporting a household". I went on the defensive and if I interpereted (sp) incorrectly, then I apologize.

I can't speak for him, but I think I know him well enough to assume that's what he meant.

He shot a freebie not too long ago. A tiny welding, but BEAUTIFUL results under very special circumstances. Let's just say it was the first time I have ever cried looking at wedding photos.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

08/20/2007 08:39:31 PM · #189

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

You take it personally enough to resort to childish name calling, both in the forums and in PM's.

I called NO ONE a name in this forum or in any other forum for that matter. I did voice my opinion to you in private.

rossbilly

Nikon D200

08/20/2007 08:42:31 PM · #190

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by rossbilly:

BTW - I personally think lots of us SHOULD be charging more, including you Gayle,

Gayle, I think he meant you were good enough to be charging more :-)

I didn't read it that way if that is what he meant because he went on to say about "supporting a household". I went on the defensive and if I interpereted (sp) incorrectly, then I apologize.

Gayle, no need to apologize - I simply assumed that our few exchanges in the past would let you know I'm generally a helpful guy - MY fault for assuming... yes, i DID mean you deserved to charge more. no, i did NOT mean to imply anything about your personal financial affairs, only that this is one heck of an expensive industry. FYI - yours truly has only shot 4 weddings, and 2 of those were free... Best of luck to you, and please accept my (pending) PM as a goodwill effort.

Leroy, thank you for clarifying & realizing I didn't mean anything towards you - we get along well & I'd hate to offend...

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/20/2007 08:50:14 PM · #191

Originally posted by rossbilly:

Originally posted by Buckeye_Fan:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by rossbilly:

BTW - I personally think lots of us SHOULD be charging more, including you Gayle,

Gayle, I think he meant you were good enough to be charging more :-)

I didn't read it that way if that is what he meant because he went on to say about "supporting a household". I went on the defensive and if I interpereted (sp) incorrectly, then I apologize.

Gayle, no need to apologize - I simply assumed that our few exchanges in the past would let you know I'm generally a helpful guy - MY fault for assuming... yes, i DID mean you deserved to charge more. no, i did NOT mean to imply anything about your personal financial affairs, only that this is one heck of an expensive industry. FYI - yours truly has only shot 4 weddings, and 2 of those were free... Best of luck to you, and please accept my (pending) PM as a goodwill effort.

Leroy, thank you for clarifying & realizing I didn't mean anything towards you - we get along well & I'd hate to offend...

Rossbilly...sent you a pm ;-)

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

08/20/2007 08:58:35 PM · #192

Don't mind MK, she's the snarky one on the SC so as to give them "street cred"...

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/20/2007 09:00:13 PM · #193

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Don't mind MK, she's the snarky one on the SC so as to give them "street cred"...

LOL

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/20/2007 09:05:36 PM · #194

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by BeeCee:
I just don't understand why it has to be all about the almighty dollar and squeezing every possible one out of everyone.

Capitalism. Communism works differently...oh yeah, that idea failed.

And yet you seem steadfastly determined to establish a price-fixing scheme across the wedding photography industry instead of letting the free market determine the price for services.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/20/2007 09:10:31 PM · #195

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Don't mind MK, she's the snarky one on the SC so as to give them "street cred"...

I'm going to remember this the next time you come begging for my help.

In the meantime, I'm quitting. Beg me to stay via PM please, I'm too depressed to start up a new thread.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

08/20/2007 09:10:32 PM · #196

Capitalism without failure is like religion without sin...