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08/09/2007 05:02:21 PM · #126 |
ROFL - of all the images there, Gordon & I snagged the same one.
Too funny !!
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08/09/2007 05:02:35 PM · #127 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Actually - wanna see a cool option? Go to any of the images on this site:
ROBBY REDCHEEKS.COM
And try to right click save an image, or drag and drop an image. |
[thumb]568608[/thumb]
Edit: Damn, I'm slow today.
Edit again: I deleted the image from my workshop... don't want to be hosting stolen images myself.
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 17:19:43.
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08/09/2007 05:03:33 PM · #128 |
I'd rather let nerds have the images and prevent morons from getting them. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Wow, how did you go about doing that!?
Unless you went into the code for the page, found the image location, and then did it.
And if you did all that, then you are a nerd and have earned that image. |
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08/09/2007 05:04:52 PM · #129 |
As was said way back earlier in this thread.
If you can see it. You can copy it.
It is trivial and there are a variety of easily available methods.
You can't stop that. All you can do is obscure the image, or not worry about it.
The people who know how to edit images and upload them to sites, know how the print screen button works. This isn't secret geeky knowledge.
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 17:05:16. |
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08/09/2007 05:07:58 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by ajdelaware:
Wow, how did you go about doing that!?
Unless you went into the code for the page, found the image location, and then did it.
And if you did all that, then you are a nerd and have earned that image. |
Press 'Ctrl-I', click on the media tab. Pick the URL you want.
That isn't exactly earning it. It's reading it off a list.
Or scroll through the list, find it in the preview and click 'save as' if you don't want to link back to it.
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 17:11:02. |
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08/09/2007 05:10:45 PM · #131 |
Or in Firefox, one can view the media in the Tools, Page info and Save as. Same thing.
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08/09/2007 05:11:45 PM · #132 |
Can someone show me how to get the image under # 4?
7 ways to prevent image theft
EDIT- other than a screen capture?
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 17:12:15. |
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08/09/2007 05:11:46 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Or in Firefox, one can view the media in the Tools, Page info and Save as. Same thing. |
yes. Ctrl-I is the short cut key for Page Info (or you can get it off that evil right click menu :) ) |
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08/09/2007 05:14:32 PM · #134 |
Originally posted by metatate:
Can someone show me how to get the image under # 4?
7 ways to prevent image theft
EDIT- other than a screen capture? |
//o2b.net/entryAssets/paintbrush.gif
Really want to keep playing this game?
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 17:20:25.
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08/09/2007 05:14:44 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by metatate:
Can someone show me how to get the image under # 4?
7 ways to prevent image theft
EDIT- other than a screen capture? |
Two button presses.
PrintScr
Ctrl-V
Crop, save.
Why other than a screen capture ? We are showing full resolution images here.
Screen capture is the trivially simple way to take the image, at full quality.
You could always save off the flash source and pull it apart too, I suppose. Only a million and a half hits on tools to do that there.
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 17:19:12. |
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08/09/2007 05:17:11 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by metatate:
Can someone show me how to get the image under # 4?
7 ways to prevent image theft
EDIT- other than a screen capture? |
Oh you're lucky you edited that - had a screen save example just waiting for you. lol
The geeks can very easily get a flash-embedded image through a pirated version of Macromedia Flash. It's very similar to what Irfanview can do with an aminated gif - it can de-construct and save each frame.
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08/09/2007 05:17:37 PM · #137 |
I was on a site once that would ghost the image back whenever the cursor was over it -
perhaps a watermark could appear whenever someone did this? â€Â¦
I'm a good example of a person that knows enough just to surf - not to make waves on the internet -
OK bye for today;] |
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08/09/2007 06:14:35 PM · #138 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
(*) (until we all have microsoft approved digital rights managed monitors and operating systems and what a mess that day will be) |
Then Linux will get a boost to it's life that will be unimaginable.
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08/09/2007 06:31:59 PM · #139 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Stego is very cool but way too much involved to use it practically. |
Actually stego would work pretty well. I don't know whether it would break DPC editing rules. Maybe if the site had a recommended software to embed the stego that would solve that problem. Stego would slightly degrade the image and have the effect of reducing image data, much as enclosing EXIF data does now. My solution is to wait until someone steals one of my images. Then allow my ego to inflate to proportions never before experienced. ;)
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08/09/2007 06:46:08 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Stego is very cool but way too much involved to use it practically. |
Actually stego would work pretty well. I don't know whether it would break DPC editing rules. Maybe if the site had a recommended software to embed the stego that would solve that problem. Stego would slightly degrade the image and have the effect of reducing image data, much as enclosing EXIF data does now. My solution is to wait until someone steals one of my images. Then allow my ego to inflate to proportions never before experienced. ;) |
LOL
But how would you kick off the payload at the other end? |
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08/09/2007 07:06:52 PM · #141 |
Looks like the image was removed :)
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08/09/2007 07:12:58 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
My solution is to wait until someone steals one of my images. Then allow my ego to inflate to proportions never before experienced. ;) |
Well, if you had/have a teenager daughter, and one day was alerted to an image that had only ever been shared on DPC, find it's way into someone's MySpace portfolio, with her face cloned into an x-rated image, then forget the ego. I accepted the distasteful watermarking with open arms at that point. No longer have any images of my family been put on the web, and all that were, are long gone.
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08/09/2007 07:32:09 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
But how would you kick off the payload at the other end? |
It would only be good as proof of ownership. And that probably would be a legal pickle. IOW when you see a image such as Larus's, you run the stego extractor and the serial number or whatever you embedded is revealed. If you could deploy a payload as you suggest.... er... maybe a virus that will prevent the offending site from serving image files until the stolen image is removed. Boy that'd be neat. (and dern near impossible) ;)
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08/09/2007 07:34:07 PM · #144 |
Originally posted by fir3bird:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
But how would you kick off the payload at the other end? |
It would only be good as proof of ownership. And that probably would be a legal pickle. IOW when you see a image such as Larus's, you run the stego extractor and the serial number or whatever you embedded is revealed. If you could deploy a payload as you suggest.... er... maybe a virus that will prevent the offending site from serving image files until the stolen image is removed. Boy that'd be neat. (and dern near impossible) ;) |
Gotcha! :-D |
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08/09/2007 07:42:01 PM · #145 |
Ah some people are just so very sad, I don´t get what they get out of this?
Recognized a couple of  hkvam´s photos in there as well that are still there...
Frankly this doesn´t upset me much or cost me any sleep, I just feel sorry for folks who have the need or get a kick out of taking credit for something they didn´t do, just glad the photo is gone form his/her portfolio. |
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08/09/2007 07:42:34 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Well, if you had/have a teenager daughter, and one day was alerted to an image that had only ever been shared on DPC, find it's way into someone's MySpace portfolio, with her face cloned into an x-rated image, then forget the ego. I accepted the distasteful watermarking with open arms at that point. No longer have any images of my family been put on the web, and all that were, are long gone. |
Not my worries. I don't post any such images. You won't find an image of me on the net without shades on. ;)
This does suggest an idea for a DES encrypted web browser for use by families to view albums online. The images could only be decrypted on the local machine with the proper decryption key. Images on the server would be non-viewable.
I'm sure if I've thought of it, it exists already.
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08/09/2007 08:16:58 PM · #147 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
As was said way back earlier in this thread.
If you can see it. You can copy it.
It is trivial and there are a variety of easily available methods.
You can't stop that. All you can do is obscure the image, or not worry about it.
The people who know how to edit images and upload them to sites, know how the print screen button works. This isn't secret geeky knowledge. |
The point is, idiots like the one in question are simply "rt-clicking save as" in order to get images to claim as their own.
If it's too much work they'll move on to another one without the hassles.
The offenders aren't like Gordon.
If they are lazy enough to claim credit for photos that aren't theirs they're too lazy to circumvent reasonable safeguards that are in their way. |
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08/09/2007 08:44:44 PM · #148 |
Suppose I made a print of my image, and sold it, or gave it away for free - becuase let's face it, no one's buying my pictures.
Suppose guy I gave it to frames it and hangs it on his wall, and then tells all his friends that he took it.
Would I call him out on it if I happened to know about it? Sure I would. Would I try to embarrass him in front of his friends? Of course!
Would I start watermarking all my prints? Hells no.
Putting a work into public circulation leaves it open to theft and misattribution. That's life. Just becuase it happened in the cyber world doesn't make it a much bigger deal. It sucks that people do this; it sucks that they get away with it, but you can't stop it except by not putting it out there.
Watermarks are like imbedding copyright claims into the text of a novel - you could do it, and it would discourage cut-and-paste plagerism, but it would diminish the original work.
I'm an amature, obviously, and professional work is a different matter. But let's try to keep things in perspective, people. If your work is so fragile that the occasional theft by attention-hungry teenagers constitutes a tort then don't put it into the public realm. |
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08/09/2007 09:21:53 PM · #149 |
Originally posted by rswank:
The point is, idiots like the one in question are simply "rt-clicking save as" in order to get images to claim as their own.
If it's too much work they'll move on to another one without the hassles.
The offenders aren't like Gordon. |
2 seconds of effort isn't a lot of work. Most people that are vaguely web savvy (*) know how this is done, trivially. I'm old and don't know how these new fangled web technologies work, yet I was able to find 20 programs to pull flash files to bits in about 10 seconds of trying and I've never created my own flash file. If the image is worth something to someone, they'll spend the 30 seconds it takes to copy it. If it isn't worth it to anyone - well, then you don't have anything to worry about.
(*) e.g., just about anyone setting up their own web pages.
Message edited by author 2007-08-09 21:25:53. |
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08/10/2007 12:37:01 PM · #150 |
Saw a webpage where the image was at least a 10x10 array of smaller images (ie they sliced a .jpg into 100 .JPGs).
Perhaps this would help, it wouldn't stop screen captures, but it would make downloading the whole thing more difficult. |
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