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 08/07/2007 02:09:57 PM · #26
people repeat shots because they consistently score well - voting them down would reduce the temptation to do it

the solution is to vote - reward new ideas with your vote even if it isn't technically perfect - stop giving the technically perfect water drop a 10 (if that's something your tired of seeing).

the same holds for homeless person shots ... vote them down, they go away ... just like woody.

Originally posted by smardaz:
the solution is obvious, go to one of the many other sites


Message edited by author 2007-08-07 14:11:01.
 08/07/2007 02:11:16 PM · #27
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Ya, people who shoot homeless people are just pandering to the voter. They should be hoisted on their own pitards, or at least hung by their camera straps.

i had to look pitard up cuz that was a new one for me, but from one jason to another i think you spelled it wrong:

pe·tard /pɪˈtɑrd/ Pronunciation[pi-tahrd]
–noun
1. an explosive device formerly used in warfare to blow in a door or gate, form a breach in a wall, etc.
2. a kind of firecracker.
3. (initial capital letter) Also called Flying Dustbin. a British spigot mortar of World War II that fired a 40-pound (18 kg) finned bomb, designed to destroy pillboxes and other concrete obstacles.
—Idiom
4. hoist by or with one's own petard, hurt, ruined, or destroyed by the very device or plot one had intended for another.

so according to this definition should these people be hung by their own photographs? that dont seem too bad ;)
 08/07/2007 02:14:21 PM · #28
Originally posted by eyewave:

just because I got ribbons for these it dosn't make them "crowd pleasers"


Umm, that's pretty much exactly what it means (and nothing more).
 08/07/2007 02:14:54 PM · #29
Originally posted by mk:
What is the deal with people wanting to control everything everyone else shoots? I just don't get it. Just because we share a common hobby doesn't mean our interests, goals, pursuits, etc. are the same. So you're above and beyond shooting bugs, macros, flowers and homeless people? Bully for you, then don't do it. Don't want to see other people's shots of the same? Then look elsewhere or keep gazing at your own navels. But encouraging other people to stop shooting something because you stopped or never had any interest to start is crap and I just don't understand these constant requests for it.


Thank you. That was pretty much my sentiment, but I couldn't figure out how to express it. You did it so very elequently!
 08/07/2007 02:19:38 PM · #30
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by mk:
What is the deal with people wanting to control everything everyone else shoots? I just don't get it. Just because we share a common hobby doesn't mean our interests, goals, pursuits, etc. are the same. So you're above and beyond shooting bugs, macros, flowers and homeless people? Bully for you, then don't do it. Don't want to see other people's shots of the same? Then look elsewhere or keep gazing at your own navels. But encouraging other people to stop shooting something because you stopped or never had any interest to start is crap and I just don't understand these constant requests for it.


Thank you. That was pretty much my sentiment, but I couldn't figure out how to express it. You did it so very elequently!


yup.
 08/07/2007 02:23:19 PM · #31
Originally posted by David Ey:
Will you now feature photos of ostrich with their head in the sand?


Do you think photos of homeless are taken with the intent of creating public compassion for these people? or an attempt at creating a dramatic image to score well at DPC? It's one thing to grab images of the weak and suffering to create an awareness that can lead to improvement or at least understanding of the human condition - it's called photo-journalism. It's quite another to go get a picture for a street challenge in much the same way that one might put a couple of apples in a bowl for a still life.

I don't think it has anything to do with burying one's head in the sand. It has to do with callous and inconsiderate behavior toward our fellow man. (My opinion)
 08/07/2007 02:30:47 PM · #32
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by David Ey:
Will you now feature photos of ostrich with their head in the sand?


Do you think photos of homeless are taken with the intent of creating public compassion for these people? or an attempt at creating a dramatic image to score well at DPC? It's one thing to grab images of the weak and suffering to create an awareness that can lead to improvement or at least understanding of the human condition - it's called photo-journalism. It's quite another to go get a picture for a street challenge in much the same way that one might put a couple of apples in a bowl for a still life.

I don't think it has anything to do with burying one's head in the sand. It has to do with callous and inconsiderate behavior toward our fellow man. (My opinion)


to the best of my knowledge NO picture in any challenge on this site is entered with the intent to create public awareness, and having spent my share of time living homeless when i was younger, i say a good portion of these people could change their lot in life if they really wanted to do i may sound callous and get blasted for this but i dont feel sorry for the majority of them (except for children who had no control over it) and as far as i'm concerned pictures of them are fair game
 08/07/2007 02:31:35 PM · #33
Originally posted by mk:
What is the deal with people wanting to control everything everyone else shoots? I just don't get it. Just because we share a common hobby doesn't mean our interests, goals, pursuits, etc. are the same. So you're above and beyond shooting bugs, macros, flowers and homeless people? Bully for you, then don't do it. Don't want to see other people's shots of the same? Then look elsewhere or keep gazing at your own navels. But encouraging other people to stop shooting something because you stopped or never had any interest to start is crap and I just don't understand these constant requests for it.


I don't think that's fair. Steve, in the original post, expressed rather thoughtfully a change of heart he has had, and explains how it came about. He asks us if we have any thoughts on this issue; and indeed, quite a few have expressed their thoughts. Some agree with him (it's exploitative) and some do not.

I don't understand why you're calling him out and saying he is trying to "control everything everyone else shoots". I think it's just as valid to say that YOU are trying to control everyone else's expressions of their thoughts. You're not, of course, but neither is he doing what you say.

For the record, I agree with Steve when he bemoans the fact that it seems like more and more people think "street photography" means "photographing indigent citizens", and it bother me a little bit too. If I were homeless and miserable, I'd feel pretty shitty about being put on display in a website for the world to see.

Robt.
 08/07/2007 02:32:16 PM · #34
Originally posted by mk:
What is the deal with people wanting to control everything everyone else shoots? I just don't get it. Just because we share a common hobby doesn't mean our interests, goals, pursuits, etc. are the same. So you're above and beyond shooting bugs, macros, flowers and homeless people? Bully for you, then don't do it. Don't want to see other people's shots of the same? Then look elsewhere or keep gazing at your own navels. But encouraging other people to stop shooting something because you stopped or never had any interest to start is crap and I just don't understand these constant requests for it.


And what's the problem with someone starting a thread to voice their opinion on a given subject? Does anyone reading it have to adopt that philosophy?
 08/07/2007 02:33:27 PM · #35


Just playing to the crowd.......

Originally posted by mk:

......But encouraging other people to stop shooting something because you stopped or never had any interest to start is crap and I just don't understand these constant requests for it.

**Applause**
 08/07/2007 02:37:10 PM · #36
Originally posted by Gatorguy:


And what's the problem with someone starting a thread to voice their opinion on a given subject? Does anyone reading it have to adopt that philosophy?


Couldn't the same thing be said for those who want to make a rebuttal?
 08/07/2007 02:38:04 PM · #37
Taking photos of the homeless isn't any different from taking photos of, let's say, the celebrities or models.
Call it exploitation but these subjects are in existence and have been photographed over the years... as for the purpose, God knows what are the intentions of the photographers?

What is different nowadays is that there are so many people who now have access to cameras, the web to post it, etc. The evolving world now makes us witness these different images that evoke emotions, fuels discussions, etc...

My deeper two cents on this is that, on this site, the problems/squabbles surfaces when one starts thinking that another photographer's only doing as such to gain virtual medals or to even think of exploitation? But haven't we thought that maybe, the streets that the photographer is living in really have so many homeless people? The third world countries are examples of those.

Haven't we thought that ones perception towards one's photo is totally irrelevant of the purpose as to why the shots were taken? I think is within us but I can be mistaken.

I have lived in a third world country for about 20 years and yes, most of the times, the glimmer of the eyes from these street children were very moving and even puzzling because I saw happiness and contentment in them. It was a sight to behold and if I had a camera at that age, I probably would have taken tons of photos of them.

Is there anything you can do to help or assist them? I think that's what makes the world different.
It is all relative.

Message edited by author 2007-08-07 14:39:20.
 08/07/2007 02:42:26 PM · #38
I need to find a homeless insect sitting on a plant to do a long exposure macro shot of next time I go to the beach.

I WILL SCORE AN 11!

Message edited by author 2007-08-07 14:42:40.
 08/07/2007 02:42:45 PM · #39
I prefer to vote on the quality of the images on a technical and compositional level without biasing based on personal feelings regarding the subject matter. Of course you are free to vote in any way you wish.

Originally posted by hopper:
There's no rule against voting down images you don't like. If everyone does as you do, then it would appear as though we LOVE images of the homeless as the only people who would vote on them would be those who like them.

I vote down things I don't like, and vote up things I do like

your vote is your voice

Originally posted by Gatorguy:
When these street challenges come up I make it a point not to vote as my bias will surely be reflected in my scores.
08/07/2007 02:45:43 PM · #40
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by Gatorguy:


And what's the problem with someone starting a thread to voice their opinion on a given subject? Does anyone reading it have to adopt that philosophy?


Couldn't the same thing be said for those who want to make a rebuttal?


Of Course! As long as the rebuttal isn't putting words in someone's mouth.
 08/07/2007 02:45:59 PM · #41
Anyone up for a shoot the homeless GTG?
 08/07/2007 02:47:42 PM · #42
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I don't think that's fair. Steve, in the original post, expressed rather thoughtfully a change of heart he has had, and explains how it came about. He asks us if we have any thoughts on this issue; and indeed, quite a few have expressed their thoughts. Some agree with him (it's exploitative) and some do not.

I don't understand why you're calling him out and saying he is trying to "control everything everyone else shoots". I think it's just as valid to say that YOU are trying to control everyone else's expressions of their thoughts. You're not, of course, but neither is he doing what you say.


It's these sentiments that give the appearance that he is trying to control what other people shoot...

"Otherwise said, I'm done taking them and hope to see less and less of them in the future."

"just think people are most likely doing it for bulls**t reasons"

"I'm questioning motives and offering my opinion that I think many of these shots are becoming so cliched at this point. I'm certain they will wow the noobs for some time to come...Bummer for me. "

It's certainly not just him and I'm not calling him out specifically...it's occurred several times just in this thread and all across the site, with all kinds of topics - people love to thrash and degrade what others choose to shoot. I just don't understand why people are so eager to rain on everyone else's parade. Why are we so concerned with what other people are doing?

08/07/2007 02:48:02 PM · #43
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Anyone up for a shoot the homeless GTG?


LOL homeless bugs by a waterfall
 08/07/2007 02:50:44 PM · #44
yup, people can vote anyway they see fit

just offering a possible solution for those who dislike seemingly all of the ribbon winners every week

Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I prefer to vote on the quality of the images on a technical and compositional level without biasing based on personal feelings regarding the subject matter. Of course you are free to vote in any way you wish.
 08/07/2007 02:53:57 PM · #45
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
And what's the problem with someone starting a thread to voice their opinion on a given subject? Does anyone reading it have to adopt that philosophy?


Certainly no problem with voicing opinions. What I don't understand is why people are so concerned with what OTHERS are shooting. And what I take issue with is the "I quit doing this so now I hope everyone else will too because I don't want to see it and I think your motives are bs" attitude. You know, voicing my opinion. ;)
 08/07/2007 02:54:54 PM · #46
Originally posted by Gatorguy:


Of Course! As long as the rebuttal isn't putting words in someone's mouth.


Honestly, mk's view of it is pretty much how I read it too. Not only pawdrix's but the others as well.
 08/07/2007 02:58:49 PM · #47
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I prefer to vote on the quality of the images on a technical and compositional level without biasing based on personal feelings regarding the subject matter. Of course you are free to vote in any way you wish.


I don't have that iron will to be able to ignore the picture. I just vote high if I like it and low if I don't.
 08/07/2007 03:07:02 PM · #48
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I prefer to vote on the quality of the images on a technical and compositional level without biasing based on personal feelings regarding the subject matter. Of course you are free to vote in any way you wish.

Based on this, I could take a picture of a mutilated human corpse, and if its technically pleasing Ill get high votes?

Art isnt just about technicalities, if that was the case, there would be a lot more "pros". Art is also about knowing what looks good and what people want to see (or what you want them to see) coupled with the technical skill to achieve that.

Message edited by author 2007-08-07 15:07:35.
 08/07/2007 03:07:50 PM · #49
I haven't read the whole post so excuse me if I'm just repeating something or fueling fire! lol I agree there are some definite themes here on DPC, but as for the homeless one, I come from a city where there really is no homeless people. I men maybe about 5 in the whole area... so for me its not just art, but almost education. And I love showing character in people normally forgotten. but thats just me!
 08/07/2007 03:12:42 PM · #50
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
And what's the problem with someone starting a thread to voice their opinion on a given subject? Does anyone reading it have to adopt that philosophy?


Certainly no problem with voicing opinions. What I don't understand is why people are so concerned with what OTHERS are shooting. And what I take issue with is the "I quit doing this so now I hope everyone else will too because I don't want to see it and I think your motives are bs" attitude. You know, voicing my opinion. ;)


I think my few posts had a quite a bit going on. Opinion, as I stated, regret, a little disgust, questioning my own motives, questioning other peoples motives, calling out the genre as cliche and exploitative (probably, the meat of the matter) and what else...? All fair things to throw up on the table.

So, I asked for a discussion on the topic and now we're discussing the topic. Discussion is good. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but at least hear and consider what it is that I'm trying to say. Perhaps I have some valid points.

Maybe I'll learn something. And yes, I'm sick and tired of these images but of course, people can shoot whatever they please. I do wonder what people are thinking when they shoot pictures of thew homeless. Are they shooting to show character? Sure there are plenty of good reasons to shoot anyone including the homeless.

Out of all my homeless images (perhaps 40) I found two good ones that had any true purpose. Only two.

Message edited by author 2007-08-07 15:19:39.
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