Industry to Standardize on HD Photo

08/01/2007 08:36:36 PM · #1

Yesterday, the Joint Photographic Experts Group (JPEG) announced a new work item for the standardization of Microsoft's HD Photo as a new file format called JPEG XR (eXtended Range).

Read about it in a Microsoft press release, and in the JPEG press release.

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Message edited by author 2007-08-01 20:44:11.

Delta_6

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/01/2007 08:42:26 PM · #2

And what exactly does it mean in English?

08/01/2007 08:48:02 PM · #3

Originally posted by Delta_6:

And what exactly does it mean in English?

//www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/wmphoto/default.aspx

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd_Photo

Basically, it is a image file format that offers better compression with less data loss. It offers an option for no data loss (lossless). It can retain the full dynamic range and color fidelity data from a cameraâ��s image sensor. There is an option to manipulate the image as compressed data...and so and and so forth...

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Delta_6

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/01/2007 08:54:57 PM · #4

Thanks! I guess shooting in RAW won't be affected much but if you shoot in JPEG you might have to get an upgrade for your camera. Not to mention upgrading PS.

Message edited by author 2007-08-01 20:55:14.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/01/2007 11:07:31 PM · #5

Here's a good article about it in Pop Photo

Atropos

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

08/01/2007 11:12:36 PM · #6

Awesome. I hate how an image looks so pristine and crisp in raw viewing/editing software, then converted to jpeg--even at maximum quality in photoshop--it suddenly looks more like... well, a jpeg.

08/02/2007 02:38:15 PM · #7

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Here's a good article about it in Pop Photo

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Neil, that's a great article! Thanks for the link.

I can't wait for this format to become more commonplace. It will take a while, but it will be worth it, IMO.

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strangeghost

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/02/2007 03:32:58 PM · #8

I have to believe that Microsoft's decision NOT to call it "Windows Media Photo" will have something to do with its chances of being the adopted standard. I think there's such a huge bias against Microsoft that removing the "windows" moniker will improve any product's image.

08/02/2007 04:51:50 PM · #9

Originally posted by strangeghost:

The goal here, IMO, is to have this new format transparent to all computing platforms (Windows, UNIX, Linux, etc), all browsers, graphics software, and various hardware (camera sensors, TV screens, portable media devices, etc). Seeing that this is much larger than Windows, HD Photo is a much better name, and JPEG XR is even better because it retains that JPEG "brand recognition".

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strangeghost

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/02/2007 05:28:40 PM · #10

Originally posted by lesgainous:

I agree with the goal and hope you're right. But Microsoft doesn't have a good track record of working and playing well with others. Remember Java. Before you know it, a product has a way of only working if you've got Windows installed, or something like it.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/02/2007 05:50:11 PM · #11

We'll see if this does any better than JPEG2000 as far as mass consumer adoption goes. It also leaves me wondering why PNG continues to get the short shrift as it has supported true color, alpha channel, better compression, is platform agnostic, etc for quite some time and is not patent inhibited.

Nonetheless, if MS really does completely walk from their patents on this technology and not act the way they usually do then this should be a very good thing.

Message edited by author 2007-08-02 17:50:39.

SecondCurtain

Pentax K100D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

08/03/2007 03:35:46 PM · #12

Originally posted by strangeghost:

Originally posted by lesgainous:

The goal here, IMO, is to have this new format transparent to all computing platforms (Windows, UNIX, Linux, etc), all browsers, graphics software, and various hardware (camera sensors, TV screens, portable media devices, etc). Seeing that this is much larger than Windows, HD Photo is a much better name, and JPEG XR is even better because it retains that JPEG "brand recognition".

I agree with the goal and hope you're right. But Microsoft doesn't have a good track record of working and playing well with others. Remember Java.

Whoa...hang on there. Just in case you've overlooked a litle fact, Java is not an official standard. Sun Microsystems refuses to turn over Java to a standards body. By the way, the article you referred to is almost 10 years old.

On the other hand, Microsoft's C# programming language and CLI (Common Language Infrastructure) standards are key parts of the standards-based, multilanguage .NET Platform. These open standards are governed by ECMA, an international standards body. Because of this, the .NET runtime and C# run on non-Windows platforms (e.g. Linux, FreeBSD, Sun's Solaris, Mac)

So,

strangeghost, before you start blasting Microsoft, you should get all the facts.

Let's not change the original topic of this thread (HD Photo) into a Microsoft-bashing thread. Let's stay on-topic.

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/03/2007 04:09:00 PM · #13

Large portions of the .NET framework are not available for royalty free use. Hence my comment about 'completely walking away from patents'. For example, .NET is 'open source' only if you are a Novell developer or user. As Novell is a MS business partner, this is a prime example of exactly what MS tends to do when supposedly giving up their patents on a product.

I agree the world doesn't need another MS bashing thread, but why try to prop a halo up on the horns of Satan.