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08/28/2007 11:26:21 AM · #52

Originally posted by doctornick:

I don't think so.

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

08/28/2007 11:28:43 AM · #53

There was a proposition a while back to have a panel of judges vote in parallel on challenges...it was shot down so fast and there was such a big hoopla that the idea died pretty fast...

08/28/2007 11:29:45 AM · #54

Originally posted by doctornick:

He-he. I'll vote "Yes" to that. :P

08/28/2007 11:35:26 AM · #55

Originally posted by doctornick:

There was a proposition a while back to have a panel of judges vote in parallel on challenges...it was shot down so fast and there was such a big hoopla that the idea died pretty fast...

I think Langdon and SCs looking into this idea right now. Too many complains, they just can't close their eyes and act like not there.

08/28/2007 11:41:20 AM · #56

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Originally posted by doctornick:
There was a proposition a while back to have a panel of judges vote in parallel on challenges...it was shot down so fast and there was such a big hoopla that the idea died pretty fast...

I think Langdon and SCs looking into this idea right now. Too many complains, they just can't close their eyes and act like not there.

What exactly are the "complains" (sp) about again?

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

08/28/2007 11:44:14 AM · #57

Originally posted by glad2badad:

What exactly are the "complains" (sp) about again?

my score isn't high enough ?

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

08/28/2007 12:00:20 PM · #58

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Originally posted by doctornick:
There was a proposition a while back to have a panel of judges vote in parallel on challenges...it was shot down so fast and there was such a big hoopla that the idea died pretty fast...

I think Langdon and SCs looking into this idea right now. Too many complains, they just can't close their eyes and act like not there.

What exactly are the "complains" (sp) about again?

Seems like you haven't been in challenge forms a lot.

Watch each challenge posts, and see if you can notice the complains. Look at the past images, and see if there are 1s and 2 on the most beautiful photos, and 10s for the worst photos. How they affect us? Since this uneven voting getting worse each challenge, people are leaving. Who wants people to leave? Although site owners have enough members right now, and probably they welcome quits, you don't want to turn a nice city into a crap hole would you? So, even everything is *happy* right now, if things are not controlled, next it will take more than catching a few ghost accounts... trust me on that. I sure don't want to leave my place in DPC... not yet at least. I sure want to see my votes are consistent, not fluctuating few points each vote. Stressing!!!

Also, I am not asking anything more than a trial, a test challenge that will be voted by a few judges rather than everyone in DPC. This way I will feel more comfortable (and don't worry people, still use my "refresh" button) while my photos being voted. And I also will know the real value of my photos.

Message edited by author 2007-08-28 12:05:00.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

08/28/2007 12:04:57 PM · #59

Originally posted by posthumous:

You admit that different forms of judging could indeed be more "right" for different people. You have opened Pandora's box, and now that it's open, there's no reason why a simple "mass opinion" is necessarily the best option for all these disparate groups.

That being said, I try to make the most of the mass opinion here. I try to do my part to shift it, but most of the work is done by some of the brilliant (and *underrated*) photographers here. I just point at them now and then.

Yes, Don, absolutely yes, on all points.

"Mass opinion" isn't necessarily the best option for all groups. But the site owners here at DPC get to pick how they're going to serve the community. Then we, the members, get to decide whether to play here, at betterphoto, eyefetch, daily awards, the Kodak POTD, etc.

As for what you do here, YES. You do a great job of highlighting people who often don't score highly on DPC. Even better, you inspire others to do the same (e.g., the ongoing posthumous ribbon thread).

Now, focuspoint: if Langdon doesn't want to get into juried competitions formally, howzabout those who want to do them, just do them? Want a trial run? Do it. Put up a thread asking for volunteers to serve on a panel. Just be sure to warn them they're in for major grief no matter what they do. I mean that sincerely; I'd be willing to serve even knowing that. But it'll have to be a group that's willing to stand up for their opinions, while simultaneously easily and publicly acknowledging it's just their opinion, and a group decision particular to that group, without claiming it's any more absolutely right than the "mass opinion" of DPC scores.

We have side challenges going all the time, so this would just be another.

That's how the DPL got started - a bunch of people wanted something beyond the normal challenges, so they did it. After a long time, Langdon saw the benefits and incorporated it, with ongoing debate over what it does to the main, traditional DPC competition.

So if you're successful, who knows where it might lead?

Message edited by author 2007-08-28 12:08:09.

fotomann_forever

08/28/2007 12:05:07 PM · #60

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
What exactly are the "complains" (sp) about again?

my score isn't high enough ?

Yup... that's my biggest complaint. That your score isn't high enough ... or is it that I don't score enough? Let me get back to ya on that one.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

08/28/2007 12:10:53 PM · #61

Originally posted by focuspoint:

not yet at least. I sure want to see my votes are consistent, not fluctuating few points each vote. Stressing!!!

Just for a few minutes, consider the possibility that these aren't aberrant or troll votes. Perhaps some people just have different opinions and tastes on what is good or not.

Not everyone likes pretty pictures. Not everyone likes grimy pictures. Perhaps more importantly, everyone shouldn't.

I can't think of anything more dull and boring than if every 'great' (for your particular personal definition of great) image just got tens and every 'bad' (for your personal particular definition of bad) image got 1s.

Now, if you can point to examples of great images scoring badly, or terrible images scoring really highly, then you might have a valid point.

One or two outlier votes in a few hundred don't make any significant difference. If people leave because their perfect 10 image gets a 1, then perhaps their ego isn't strong enough to be sharing their images on line or with the world at all ? I can say that as someone who was just recently 'robbed' of a third place by a few 1's and 3 votes on an image. Trolls ? Maybe. More like just some people who either didn't get it or didn't like it.

Message edited by author 2007-08-28 12:13:38.

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08/28/2007 12:21:14 PM · #62

Yes, I think you guys are right... Beating a dead horse, and pointless point. I am sure things will roll itself by time, if stuff need to be done, Langdon will take care of things... who cares!

I think I just wanted to be famous by creating a new challenge ;)

Never mind with all this.

I ask a SC to lock this post please.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

08/28/2007 12:24:15 PM · #63

Originally posted by focuspoint:

So after all that, focuspoint, you revert to asking Langdon to do it? Why not take me up on my suggestion that you do it with volunteers?

doctornick

Apple iPhone 13 Pro

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

08/28/2007 12:25:26 PM · #64

All the score profiles fit a nice Gaussian distribution curve...with the few rare exceptions of the highly controversial shots where they get the Tie-fighter distribution curve...

08/28/2007 12:26:00 PM · #65

Hmmm. (thinking)

Message edited by author 2007-08-28 12:43:28.

08/28/2007 12:42:57 PM · #66

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Originally posted by levyj413:
[quote=focuspoint] Yes, I think you guys are right... Beating a dead horse, and pointless point. I am sure things will roll itself by time, if stuff need to be done, Langdon will take care of things... who cares!

I think I just wanted to be famous by creating a new challenge ;)

Never mind with all this.

I ask a SC to lock this post please.

So after all that, focuspoint, you revert to asking Langdon to do it? Why not take me up on my suggestion that you do it with volunteers?

It would be the right way, not my way... I think of something later I guess.

08/28/2007 12:46:18 PM · #67

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Originally posted by doctornick:
There was a proposition a while back to have a panel of judges vote in parallel on challenges...it was shot down so fast and there was such a big hoopla that the idea died pretty fast...

I think Langdon and SCs looking into this idea right now. Too many complains, they just can't close their eyes and act like not there.

What exactly are the "complains" (sp) about again?

Seems like you haven't been in challenge forms a lot.

He-he. Ok, if you say so. :D

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08/28/2007 12:47:24 PM · #68

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by focuspoint:

Originally posted by doctornick:
There was a proposition a while back to have a panel of judges vote in parallel on challenges...it was shot down so fast and there was such a big hoopla that the idea died pretty fast...

I think Langdon and SCs looking into this idea right now. Too many complains, they just can't close their eyes and act like not there.

What exactly are the "complains" (sp) about again?

Seems like you haven't been in challenge forms a lot.

He-he. Ok, if you say so. :D

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RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/28/2007 01:09:18 PM · #69

Originally posted by focuspoint:

... This way I will feel more comfortable (and don't worry people, still use my "refresh" button) while my photos being voted. And I also will know the real value of my photos.

I cannot speak for anyone else relative to this rather gratuitous comment, but I do take umbrage to the suggestion that my vote is not representative of "the true value of your photos".

I have never cared for the "elitism" which you seem to favour in this instance. Let us assume for one moment that the "True Connoisseurs" voted your image in a similar vein to that of the masses, what would you have us believe then... that they misunderstood the intent of your representation.

There are no trolls... just misguided souls who cannot disassociate themselves from their images and earnestly believe that theirs is truly a piece of art.

People who dread the angst associated with scores would be better served to turn their scores OFF, and take the time to realize that in the grand scheme of things, competing for a virtual ribbon is truly not the most important thing in life.

Ray

08/28/2007 01:21:45 PM · #70

Originally posted by RayEthier:

...and take the time to realize that in the grand scheme of things, competing for a virtual ribbon is truly not the most important thing in life.

Ray

True, and I don't mind to have no ribbon. I am not asking a ribbon here, although one of my goals is to win one.

When you say "worthless ribbon" trust me some people, like myself, takes it seriously. Even getting close to one (first 20th or 10th place) is an honor more than an award. It's recognition more than money, which could lead you to more money (thinking there are some pros watching this website.)

So, if I suggested something, it doesn't mean anything more than improvement, and I don't think myself only. This is a community, I think I am a part of it, and I really hope people in this community listens what the others say. How many of us escape from reality and come here and feel good until voting starts?

That's what I say.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

08/28/2007 01:25:01 PM · #71

Originally posted by focuspoint:

How many of us escape from reality and come here and feel good until voting starts?

I think that's key. The voting brings the reality. Some people would prefer to continue to escape from it (imagining trolls, cabals of friends etc).

I once suffered through a camera club voting/ judging panel. What a bunch of soulless, rule based, myopic nonsense. At one point, one of the judges was measuring how close something feel to a rule of thirds power point and adjusting his score accordingly.

Message edited by author 2007-08-28 13:26:24.

Anastasia

Canon EOS-5D

08/29/2007 02:30:11 PM · #72

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by SandyP:
i.e. these ribbon winners just to name a few:
Two 1's; One 2 (puhhhhhlleeeease!!!)

Oh, and there is no question about these meeting the challenge either.

Expert Editing Rules: "Please remember, however, that this is a photography contest. You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly."

Saying that is a "photo" is stretching it a bit.

Your opinion on digital art has been quite clear for some time now, but you still like to push it at every chance you can get. I must say it is getting rather monotonous.

08/29/2007 02:49:44 PM · #73

Originally posted by Anastasia:

Your opinion on digital art has been quite clear for some time now, but you still like to push it at every chance you can get. I must say it is getting rather monotonous.

He-he. Thanks for rekindling that post from a month ago. Yep...I'm really pushing that agenda. :D