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07/16/2007 03:39:14 PM · #1
How can I take a longer exposure in daylight, without blowing out the picture completely? I have messed with a combination of settings, but I cant get it right.

*edit: typo on the title...ANSWER instead of image*

Message edited by author 2007-07-16 15:40:00.
07/16/2007 03:41:23 PM · #2
small aperture vs. long shutterspeed.

if that's still too light, try a filter (grey-filter?) that mightt work too to hold a stop or 1,5
07/16/2007 03:43:33 PM · #3
Filters, filters, filters. Neutral density, stacked. Gotta knock the light levels waaaaay down.
07/16/2007 03:43:54 PM · #4
Neutral density (ND) filters. "Neutral density" just means it's not colored - that is, it's gray.

They're often marked in terms of how much they cut the light. For example, my 4x ND filter cuts the light to 1/4 of actual, allowing me to quadruple the normal exposure time.

You can stack them, which multiplies the effect, so a 4x on top of a 2x yields 8x, or 4x and 8x yields 32x.

You can also stop down, using a smaller aperture (larger F-number).

Those two together are how I took this shot in early morning but still got a long exposure so the water blurred:

07/16/2007 03:44:03 PM · #5
Neutral Density filter (or several)

Used on their own or in conjunction with a polarizer

Or use just a polarizer

It depends on how much you want to slow down the shutter speed.

Taken during the day with 2 ND filters and a polarizer:

07/16/2007 03:44:04 PM · #6
Ill give it a shot when I get home...in 1h15m WOO HOO.
07/16/2007 03:45:12 PM · #7
grey or gray?

crap. I thought I had it right..
07/16/2007 03:46:42 PM · #8
I think thats the same argument as color v colour.
07/16/2007 03:51:22 PM · #9
Originally posted by ajdelaware:

I think thats the same argument as color v colour.


Heh! Just found exactly that point in a blog entry:
Gray is a color.
Grey is a colour.

But the difference is that both "gray" and "grey" are acceptable in American English, whereas only "color" is.

Message edited by author 2007-07-16 15:51:52.
07/16/2007 03:52:41 PM · #10
did anyone mention to try nd filters? :-P
07/16/2007 03:53:33 PM · #11
Allright, now I know. Thanks ;)
07/16/2007 03:53:39 PM · #12
Originally posted by levyj413:



... both "gray" and "grey" are acceptable in American English, whereas only "color" is.


... and neither 'gray' nor 'color' are acceptable in Real English.
07/16/2007 03:54:19 PM · #13
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:

Originally posted by levyj413:



... both "gray" and "grey" are acceptable in American English, whereas only "color" is.


... and neither 'gray' nor 'color' are acceptable in Real English.


yes thank you, make it a bit more complicated

;)
07/16/2007 04:32:41 PM · #14
Oh, just ignore him, Hanneke.

Mr_Pants, back in your box!

07/16/2007 05:21:58 PM · #15
Originally posted by levyj413:

You can stack them, which multiplies the effect, so a 4x on top of a 2x yields 8x, or 4x and 8x yields 32x.

Is this true? If you stack a 1x on a 2x, don't you get an equivalant of 3x? Therefore a 2x on a 4x would be a 6x, not 8x?
07/16/2007 05:50:58 PM · #16
Originally posted by drewbixcube:

Originally posted by levyj413:

You can stack them, which multiplies the effect, so a 4x on top of a 2x yields 8x, or 4x and 8x yields 32x.

Is this true? If you stack a 1x on a 2x, don't you get an equivalant of 3x? Therefore a 2x on a 4x would be a 6x, not 8x?


Careful - there's "x" ratings and there's "density" ratings. "x" indicates the actual multiplier, not the number of stops. So 4x means 1/4 of the light. But a 1-stop filter means 1/2 the light.

x multiplies, stops add.

2x + 4x yields 1/8 the light.

1 stop + 2 stops yields 3 stops, which is also 1/8 the light.
07/16/2007 06:41:17 PM · #17
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:

Originally posted by levyj413:



... both "gray" and "grey" are acceptable in American English, whereas only "color" is.


... and neither 'gray' nor 'color' are acceptable in Real English.


I have habit of spelling them colour, neighbour etc etc, and my spellcheck keep telling me spelling error. Its irritating.
07/17/2007 10:49:30 AM · #18
Originally posted by levyj413:

Careful - there's "x" ratings and there's "density" ratings. "x" indicates the actual multiplier, not the number of stops. So 4x means 1/4 of the light. But a 1-stop filter means 1/2 the light.

x multiplies, stops add.

2x + 4x yields 1/8 the light.

1 stop + 2 stops yields 3 stops, which is also 1/8 the light.

Ah-ha! There we go. I have stopped ND filters. Thanks for the clarification.
-drew
07/17/2007 11:52:13 AM · #19
Originally posted by zxaar:

I have habit of spelling them colour, neighbour etc etc, and my spellcheck keep telling me spelling error. Its irritating.


You can add the words with the English, UK spelling to the dictionary of the application you are using and avoid those warnings.. I have even added my name, company's name etc to my custom word dictionary to avoid those irritating messages.
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