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 06/25/2007 03:43:10 PM · #26
Originally posted by posthumous:


It would also be a fascinating statistic. I'm curious how much the number of individual ribbons would correlate with the score.


Why?
 06/25/2007 03:44:33 PM · #27
A "sorta" blue ribbon!
 06/25/2007 03:46:22 PM · #28
Originally posted by Melethia:
I don't think it needs to be anythng official - just something one could point out while voting - and in fact that does already take place, if you read some of the comments. Something like "this would be my pick for the blue" perhaps. In the long run, it may be something to encourage more commenting on pictures that simply strike you in some way.


A much better idea. Just put it in your comments.

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 06/25/2007 03:46:42 PM · #29
Originally posted by Melethia:
I don't think it needs to be anythng official - just something one could point out while voting - and in fact that does already take place, if you read some of the comments. Something like "this would be my pick for the blue" perhaps. In the long run, it may be something to encourage more commenting on pictures that simply strike you in some way.


Yeah, it would be very good to figure out a way to encourage more meaningful commenting. I guess what I'm wondering about is how meaningful is it to hear, "this would be my pick for the blue", unless there were a second part to that sentence, explaining why.
 06/25/2007 03:57:27 PM · #30
I like it...
 06/25/2007 03:58:10 PM · #31
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by Melethia:
I don't think it needs to be anythng official - just something one could point out while voting - and in fact that does already take place, if you read some of the comments. Something like "this would be my pick for the blue" perhaps. In the long run, it may be something to encourage more commenting on pictures that simply strike you in some way.


Yeah, it would be very good to figure out a way to encourage more meaningful commenting. I guess what I'm wondering about is how meaningful is it to hear, "this would be my pick for the blue", unless there were a second part to that sentence, explaining why.

Definitely agree on the "why"!
 06/25/2007 03:59:08 PM · #32
Originally posted by Melethia:
I don't think it needs to be anythng official - just something one could point out while voting - and in fact that does already take place, if you read some of the comments. Something like "this would be my pick for the blue" perhaps. In the long run, it may be something to encourage more commenting on pictures that simply strike you in some way.


I agree. Taking the time to tell someone that their photo is your favorite (and hopefully why) seems much more meaningful than taking 2 seconds to check off a box for a gimmicky icon.
 06/25/2007 04:04:15 PM · #33
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by posthumous:


It would also be a fascinating statistic. I'm curious how much the number of individual ribbons would correlate with the score.


Why?


Well, I can only say why it would fascinate me. I find it interesting to look at the different ways an image appeals. Technically it's possible for a photo to win a blue ribbon and not be the favorite of any individual voter. But does it ever actually happen? Or will number of individual favorites correlate closely to how much a photo is liked collectively? Or is there a sentimental or spiritual quality to a photo that makes it a favorite without the qualities needed to get it a high score? And then you can start to think about what those qualities are that get high scores vs. what qualities inspire favorites. Fascinating...
 06/25/2007 04:05:29 PM · #34
Originally posted by mk:
Taking the time to tell someone that their photo is your favorite (and hopefully why) seems much more meaningful than taking 2 seconds to check off a box for a gimmicky icon.


I agree, but I would still vote for putting in the gimmicky icon. :)
 06/25/2007 04:09:05 PM · #35
I agree that writing a comment telling someone why their photo is your favorite is the most meaningful way to give feedback on a picture that you like. Since that's already an option, selecting your own ribbon winners just gives another way to leave feedback.

Edit to add that I have no idea what kind of programming efforts this would require, but selecting your own ribbon winners seems similar enough to features already being offered on the site that it shouldn't require reinventing any wheels. Still, I know it would be an effort.

Message edited by author 2007-06-25 16:11:03.
 06/25/2007 04:11:15 PM · #36
I can't say that I agree with this proposal, as I view it as yet another source of possible aggravation and something that could incite discord.

We have a voting system in place to determine what was the popular decision... surely we don't need a vehicle that would question the validity of that undertaking.

Sorry... I don't agree with this at all.

Ray
 06/25/2007 04:46:55 PM · #37
I'm with Ray.
 06/25/2007 04:49:43 PM · #38
Thanks for your feedback, Ray. Of course, I posted this note to see how others felt about this idea and what the possible ramifications of it could be.

I still don't think that adding a feature like this would cause anyone to question the validity of the actual ribbon winners. Even if 20 people say they think a particular photo deserved the blue ribbon and it didn't win, how can that possibly compete with the votes of the other 200+ people? The actual ribbons are still the ultimate selection of the site's voters. Adding a feature like this should have no impact on that whatsoever. But I'm sure others wonder about this as well and I'd love to hear additional feedback before starting to think seriously about requesting a feature like this. Thanks!

Originally posted by RayEthier:
I can't say that I agree with this proposal, as I view it as yet another source of possible aggravation and something that could incite discord.

We have a voting system in place to determine what was the popular decision... surely we don't need a vehicle that would question the validity of that undertaking.

Sorry... I don't agree with this at all.

Ray

06/25/2007 04:59:10 PM · #39
The reason I find this idea intriguing is because in a way it would mirror real world juried exhibitions, which in my experience have one, maybe two jurors. I suppose some of the larger competitions might have a handful more. A blue ribbon on DPC in no way mirrors real life since it's determined by far too many people to do so. It means that an "official" ribbon here isn't an indication of artistic merit as much as it is a measure of photo and style popularity. (I hope that made sense.)

Message edited by author 2007-06-25 17:00:25.
 06/25/2007 05:02:18 PM · #40
Originally posted by Rebecca:
an "official" ribbon here isn't an indication of artistic merit as much as it is a measure of photo and style popularity. (I hope that made sense.)


No kidding, but in no way does this suggested 'alternate ribbons' thing change what you have so aptly described.
 06/25/2007 05:32:48 PM · #41
Originally posted by metatate:
Perhaps add the "brown" ribbon too just for fun!

I already hate that some people intentionally shoot for last place. I think it is a waste of the voter's time. Adding a brown ribbon would only encourage this practice.
 06/25/2007 05:36:49 PM · #42
Originally posted by skylercall:
Originally posted by metatate:
Perhaps add the "brown" ribbon too just for fun!

I already hate that some people intentionally shoot for last place. I think it is a waste of the voter's time. Adding a brown ribbon would only encourage this practice.


And demoralize those who aren't trying.
 06/25/2007 05:37:43 PM · #43
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by Rebecca:
an "official" ribbon here isn't an indication of artistic merit as much as it is a measure of photo and style popularity. (I hope that made sense.)


No kidding, but in no way does this suggested 'alternate ribbons' thing change what you have so aptly described.


The point I was trying to make that was the awarding of individual ribbons is much more like a real life juried environment.
06/25/2007 05:38:43 PM · #44
Maybe if it was an award that could be handed out, but it was not a ribbon. I like to always tell what my favorite image is in a challenge and I usually leave it as a comment, but that gets a little lost with the large amount of comments that I leave. I love seeing the posthumous awards, to me they are as interesting (If not more) than the actual ribbons that are given out.

To me being able to give my own personal awards is just another way to leave feedback(which is a good thing)and it is a little more fun and interesting than a simple comment. If people feel the need to argue over that stuff, well.......Maybe they need to grow up :P.

Actually I think there could be several categories that could be used. I would love to be able to dish out (and receive) a few awards when voting. I know I am not going to get any ribbons any time soon but maybe, just maybe, there are some that would feel that my work is worth a ribbon. Overall I think it would make the site more fun and personally that is one of the main reasons I am here.

Message edited by author 2007-06-25 17:39:38.
 06/25/2007 05:52:39 PM · #45
I would like to hand out strawberry-rhubarb pies in place of ribbons.
 06/25/2007 05:54:24 PM · #46
I love this idea.
So often i'd like to givewhat i thought what my favourite of the challenge special recognition, when perhaps it doesn't do so well on the whole. Something more than a comment.
 06/25/2007 05:57:48 PM · #47
i thought that's what the "add this photo as a favorite" was for?

i might be wrong though...that's what i use it for ;)
 06/25/2007 06:08:11 PM · #48
I think it's a fantastic idea!!
 06/25/2007 06:21:12 PM · #49
Whether you have 200+ people voting or 2 judges voting it's still a popularity contest. If anything having two judges means more bias enters into the equation more than anything else, IMO.

Message edited by author 2007-06-25 18:29:03.
 06/25/2007 06:25:10 PM · #50
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Rebecca:
The reason I find this idea intriguing is because in a way it would mirror real world juried exhibitions, which in my experience have one, maybe two jurors. I suppose some of the larger competitions might have a handful more. A blue ribbon on DPC in no way mirrors real life since it's determined by far too many people to do so. It means that an "official" ribbon here isn't an indication of artistic merit as much as it is a measure of photo and style popularity. (I hope that made sense.)


Whether you have 200+ people voting or 2 judges voting it's still a popularity contest. If anything having two judges means more bias enters into the equation more than anything else, IMO.


Quite true. I didn't say it wouldn't.
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