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06/01/2007 12:07:08 PM · #51 |
I have only entered one challenge so far, and almost all of the comments have been pretty much helpful for that one photo. Made me look harder at what I am taking a picture of.
As for comments... I try to express what I am feeling about the shot. And yes... sometimes it is a simple "I like/love/dislike it". I have even gone so far as to say that I cannot exactly explain WHY I like/love/dislike the photo. But, if there is something I do not like, or do not think is wünderbar... I try my best to explain why.
I am extremely new to digital photography. I have not gotten to know what is possible to do within Challenge rules using a post-processing program (such as Photoshop) so I try my best not to judge on any of that, but rather judge on the photograph as i see it.
I am a military trained photographer who has been more or less behind a camera for over 30 years. I only went digital recently when I decided that it was just too expensive to do film and print processing as a hobby. But, I think I have a decent eye for a good photograph... although i have noticed that a couple of the pictures I rated high (9 or 10) have placed in the triple digits, and vice versa for some that I scored low.
I always leave a comment if I score 3 or less and usually do with a 4. I hope that everyone would do the same for me.
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06/01/2007 12:15:50 PM · #52 |
Do all comments really need to have a point?
This should be fun, if you are not having fun, don't play. |
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06/01/2007 12:20:31 PM · #53 |
I strive to make my comments pointless. If a comment has a point, it cannot roll and therefore will not go anywhere.
How sad to be a comment that just sits there. |
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06/01/2007 12:20:38 PM · #54 |
"Pointless comments"...
Pointless threads about pointless comments..
Hmm.. |
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06/01/2007 12:22:42 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Do all comments really need to have a point?
This should be fun, if you are not having fun, don't play. |
Amen brother! |
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06/01/2007 12:32:30 PM · #56 |
| I would rather be entertained than pointed at. |
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06/01/2007 12:47:42 PM · #57 |
I'm sure most of my comments fall into the pointless category. They're generally quite brief and just meant to note that I've looked at a photo and wanted to let the photographer know...and perhaps every now and then to make them smile. I mostly try to reserve that sort of comment for people that I know will appreciate or at least not mind, rather than those who somehow feel entitled to a certain caliber of comment.
I consider any time someone looks at my photo long enough to leave a comment, however short, to be a success. |
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06/01/2007 12:47:44 PM · #58 |
| no.. hmm.. well.. ermm.. ok :-) |
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06/01/2007 01:02:10 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by JawnyRico:
Received: 1,170
Helpful: 1,161
Looks like someones full of B.S.. |
This Comment was Helpful. ;-) |
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06/01/2007 02:00:21 PM · #60 |
I'm from the 'all comments are useful' group even the one that said 'useless'^_^ I appreciate well thought out constructive comments[doesn't everyone] even if negative...
but...
The commenting environment is not all about giving.. It requires some intelligence from the recipient on how to take the comment.. My objective for wanting comments is getting criticism and seeing my pictures from another pov.. To get what I need I must read through the comments and connect the dots/ read between the lines.. an ok says just as much to me as anything else.. the picture is bland, boring, average.. I am perceptive enough to see exactly what the commentor is saying for my picture..
In the end we all have goals and expectations of what we want with our comments received.. some may only want to see praise and that is only what they'll see as helpful.. So it's different for everyone..
Message edited by author 2007-06-01 14:02:11. |
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06/01/2007 02:06:39 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I'll offer the same advice I just gave in another thread - everyone who's posted here and is reading here - go leave 10 comments on free study entries. Better use of your time, I'd wager. :-) |
I did actually. Every time I see threads like this it makes me want to participate more and give VALUABLE feedback. I don't think it discourages commenting at all...
And low scoring threads make me want to score higher. And I have I think. We should all be more respectful to eachothers are and not disregard photos because they don't pop out like eye candy. |
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06/01/2007 02:19:07 PM · #62 |
The mistake many folks make is they think a comment should be something more than what it is. They really want a comment to be a detailed critique.
They even attach special significance to the number of comments made, the comments made/comments recieved ratio and/or whether or not a comment is marked helpful. Sometimes we see complex proposals made to "improve" the comment system or track more statistics.
A comment is just a comment. It is not a critique and comments should not be considered an accurate source of wisdom that will turn you into a blue ribbon winner.
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06/01/2007 02:26:15 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by eamurdock:
"I like the color blue" says to me "I like your picture, in part, because it's blue." So that feels good. Similarly "I don't like the color blue" feels less good because someone doesn't like what we did. So these are "nice" and "not nice" comments.
But neither are "useful" to me.
"Useful" means (to me) "provides some information that helps me improve my photography." The fact that the commenter likes blue doesn't do that, nor does the fact that they don't. |
It makes you aware that there are some people who may have a strong reaction to an image simply because of its color range -- I think that is useful information for an artist to know.
The frequency of such comments will let you know whether it's a rare idiosyncracy of that voter, or a new trend sweeping popular culture. Fashion designers, decorators, advertising designers, and others who communicate with the public know that color scheme can have a huge influence on a viewer's reaction to an image. |
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06/01/2007 02:28:32 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by strangeghost:
Originally posted by JawnyRico:
Received: 1,170
Helpful: 1,161
Looks like someones full of B.S.. |
This Comment was Helpful. ;-) |
On a slight tangent . . .would it be possible to have comments made by us on our own pictures exluded from the comment count ?
It is a little annoying to have these discrepancies where it looks like you have found loads of photo's unhelpful but they have actually just been replies to other people ?
Any SC out there ? |
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06/01/2007 02:45:37 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
The mistake many folks make is they think a comment should be something more than what it is. They really want a comment to be a detailed critique.
They even attach special significance to the number of comments made, the comments made/comments recieved ratio and/or whether or not a comment is marked helpful. Sometimes we see complex proposals made to "improve" the comment system or track more statistics.
A comment is just a comment. It is not a critique and comments should not be considered an accurate source of wisdom that will turn you into a blue ribbon winner. |
On this thread as well as other similar threads, you've offered several true pearls of wisdom over the last 24 hours. Thanks for being here.
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06/01/2007 03:02:43 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by Jedusi:
Any SC out there ? |
Yes, the issue has been referred to the appropriate authorities ... : ) |
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06/01/2007 03:05:04 PM · #67 |
| FYI: The "Helpful comment" checkbox was an addition after DPC had been going for quite a while. I know that I have many comments not checked only because I never went back to really old challenges to check off the box on comments I'd read long ago ... |
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06/01/2007 03:10:31 PM · #68 |
If a comment is just a comment, and not meant to be looked at as helpful or pointless - would it not make more sense to have that tick box say "Read" instead of "Helpful" ?
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06/01/2007 03:17:10 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by kashi:
If a comment is just a comment, and not meant to be looked at as helpful or pointless - would it not make more sense to have that tick box say "Read" instead of "Helpful" ? |
Many people have said so over time, but it's never been changed. I guess that much like the voting scale, everyone is free to attach their own meaning to it. |
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06/01/2007 03:22:35 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by L2:
This is exactly the kind of thread that makes others not want to comment at all. |
Or when you write out a two paragraph thoughtful comment and they dont mark it helpful.... |
Yes... but one must also consider that there can exist a difference between something "Thoughtful" and something "Useful". Just as there are diverging views on what constitutes a good image, there exists a myriad of opinions on just what is helpful.
Ray |
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06/01/2007 03:55:07 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
Originally posted by L2:
This is exactly the kind of thread that makes others not want to comment at all. |
Or when you write out a two paragraph thoughtful comment and they dont mark it helpful.... |
Yes... but one must also consider that there can exist a difference between something "Thoughtful" and something "Useful". Just as there are diverging views on what constitutes a good image, there exists a myriad of opinions on just what is helpful.
Ray |
And the majority of comments makred helpful arent helpful. "I like this" is not helpful in regards. Its might be nice lol. While "Out of Focus" is technicly helpful to saying your composition is out of focus. It might not be helpful if the composition was in focus and the edit is blurry. there is a difference.
Just getting techincial like you did, My main point is i held a thread to give comments to people and half of them didnt find a single one "helpful". I wrote 3 or 4 sentences up to 3 paragraphs. Im only 1/3 done i just noticed that so far. |
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06/01/2007 07:16:51 PM · #72 |
| HEY!!! The SC removed my comment. I didn't think I said anything wrong. And they didn't send me an e-mail saying I was naughty either....Hmmmm... They must not like Ohioans....lol....carry on upset DPCers... |
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06/01/2007 07:30:14 PM · #73 |
I read most of this thread (before my brain said I've seen all this before, enough!).
At least on my entries, nearly all the commenters are newcomers. Usually they've joined with the past two months. I wonder if they then start reading these threads, and decide to just vote, it's less trouble.
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06/01/2007 07:35:11 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I strive to make my comments pointless. If a comment has a point, it cannot roll and therefore will not go anywhere.
How sad to be a comment that just sits there. |
And I love getting your little roly comments :D |
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06/01/2007 07:40:38 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:
While "Out of Focus" is technicly helpful to saying your composition is out of focus. It might not be helpful if the composition was in focus and the edit is blurry. there is a difference.
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And it's not necessarily even helpful, if 6 others have pointed out the same thing, you KNOW it's blurry, but you don't know how to fix it :)
We never know what someone might, or might not, take away from our comments, so I'm going to keep saying what I say, whether it ends up 3 paragraphs or 3 words :) |
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