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Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

12/08/2003 04:17:44 PM · #51

Originally posted by soup:

i say - if you dont want pictures of a particular item - then dont take any of that item - i dont think it is fair to tell the rest of the world what they can and cant photograph.

Agreed. Everyone should photograph whatever they like. But if they choose to submit something technically subpar or highly unoriginal to a challenge, it will be voted on accordingly.

Message edited by author 2003-12-08 16:18:02.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

12/08/2003 04:22:03 PM · #52

well obviously - it just seems every week there are 10 threads aimed at discouraging certain items as a subject - when really its really all subjective to what one likes and doesnt

also - they never end up doing any good in eliminating those particular subjects.

[sarcasm] this week for the water challenge - i dont want to see anymore fo those photos of sunsets over the ocean, river, lake none of them - arent you people creative at all? [/sarcasm]

magnetic9999

Canon EOS-20D

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

12/08/2003 04:22:31 PM · #53

it's not 'techical racism' that makes me cringe at all the upcoming water drop shots, it's just that to me, they are booooorrrrrrrinnnnng :)

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

12/08/2003 04:24:51 PM · #54

Originally posted by soup:

also - they never end up doing any good in eliminating those particular subjects.

Good point- how many shots of actual money were there?!? :-)

Originally posted by soup:

[sarcasm] this week for the water challenge - i dont want to see anymore fo those photos of sunsets over the ocean, river, lake none of them - arent you people creative at all? [/sarcasm]

Hahahaha! Well it would make everyone work harder :-)

magnetic9999

Canon EOS-20D

12/08/2003 04:25:36 PM · #55

yup, and subjectively, water droplet shots are (to me) boring :)

the humorous part is not that they're boring or whatever - it's that they are almost a guaranteed win if they are well done. just like a few other things, like

- a spectacular sunset
- a macro of a bug's face
- a macro of a grasshopper
- a city skyline at night
- a highway of car motion trails

Originally posted by soup:

12/08/2003 04:33:04 PM · #56

I agree with what you are saying but a lot of us here are "Noobs" and thus try to recreate certain shots to prove or just to see if we can master the technique.

And with the "Noobs" joining in all the time certain shots tend to get boring for some. But I think we need to bite the bullet and give a fair vote anyhow not discourage them from trying by handing out low votes?

I have seen a lot of shots here on DPC I would like to try and get feedback on or maybe submit to a challenge but why knowing they will get hammered?

Recently I have gotten the feeling that DPC has become more of an "Exclusive Club" for a given few instead of the helping hand it wants to be?

Just my 2 cents worth.

Originally posted by magnetic9999:

it's not 'techical racism' that makes me cringe at all the upcoming water drop shots, it's just that to me, they are booooorrrrrrrinnnnng :)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/08/2003 04:34:49 PM · #57

Originally posted by ahaze:

After seeing so many piggy banks and watches in the "Money" challenge, I was really sick of seeing piggy banks and watches. 5 or 10 minutes more thought might have provided those submitters with better ideas.

Andi

Your logic fails a bit here, since your comment implies that if there had been only one piggy bank it would have been a "good" idea, or that the first one you saw was a good idea but the fifth was not.

This is where the concept of "voting on each picture on its merits" comes in, and what makes it harder to be a competent judge. You have to pretend that each and every photo you are presented with is the very first photo submitted for your evaluation for that topic.

12/08/2003 04:37:20 PM · #58

Calvus, I'm new too- I've submitted to the Simplicity challenge and that's it. I've got tons to learn. But if you've browsed the site at all you can see recurring themes that might be best to avoid for challenges. Wouldn't you agree that if someone did another take on the "Forbidden Fruit" image it could be considered cliche? Other sites have lists of cliches that are forbidden for use in contests, I don't see any reason why this should be different.

Natator

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

12/08/2003 04:38:21 PM · #59

I have my water shot already planned.

I am simply going to drown a cat.

That way we get the compulsory cat photo (actually there may not have been one in Shapes, weird) and, in a rather cunning twist I feel, I may well get a 10 from all the people who usually give cat photos 1's.

Muuuwwwwaaaahhhhaaaaa!!!!!!!!

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

12/08/2003 04:44:35 PM · #60

would it still be considered water if there is cat hair and human blood ( from cat scratches ) in it?

hehe

Jason

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

12/08/2003 04:45:53 PM · #61

My shot will be a macro shot of a drop of water on a bug's eye lens. In the back ground will be a sun setting behind a city skyline car motion trails. Oh and in one of the building windows will be a cat.

:)

12/08/2003 04:46:55 PM · #62

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by ahaze:
After seeing so many piggy banks and watches in the "Money" challenge, I was really sick of seeing piggy banks and watches. 5 or 10 minutes more thought might have provided those submitters with better ideas.

Andi

Your logic fails a bit here, since your comment implies that if there had been only one piggy bank it would have been a "good" idea, or that the first one you saw was a good idea but the fifth was not.

Then I wasn't clear. In the comments for each piggy bank and watch shot that I voted on (including the first for each), I mentioned that the subject is not very creative. I gave less points than I would have in each case- unless someone did something interesting to make it more creative, then they got more points from me. I looked at all the thumbnails before I voted- that gave me an opportunity to immediately vote on the ones that really stood out for either being great or sucking badly. That also makes it possible to see all the recurring subjects and to see if anyone chose to stretch their creativity with it.

12/08/2003 04:48:30 PM · #63

Originally posted by Jason:

Now that I'd like to see!! :-)

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/08/2003 04:55:04 PM · #64

Can you squeeze in my son's hand holding the eyedropper? And make sure that grasshopper's sitting on a rose or a daisy!

kosmikkreeper

Nikon D300s

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

12/08/2003 04:56:24 PM · #65

Just take a water picture of somthing YOU find interesting and chalenging.

that's it!

Hey, I took a picture of my cat in soft focus knowing all too well that pet shots generally don't score well. I just had a nice shot and had fun with my timid model. :-)

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

12/08/2003 04:58:22 PM · #66

For some that have only set goals to be a "better" photographer it is very hard coming up with fresh ideas for a shoot. Not everyone has the time or that artistic abiltiy and creativeness to keep coming up with fresh ideas.

And when you browse DPC you you get a lot of the same old "Favs" posted. Maybe if they refreshed the "Favs" more often it would help? or broaden the galleries to more than the top 100. Or most commented on? Either way your always looking at the "Top" shots or the "Least" favs or the "least" commented on.

I don't think it would be all that bad if someone tried to redo or copy John's "Forbidden Fruit" or whatever shot you choose. It was copied once in a humorous fashion and came in with a vote just slightly higher than the original.

But shots like the water ripple have been hot since I started dabbling in photography back in 1974.

I think it boils down to what direction DPC wants to take?

An educational site?
An Exclusive club?

Or both.

Either way there has to be some give. I can't see putting a ban on certain shots?

Originally posted by ahaze:

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

12/08/2003 05:00:36 PM · #67

Photograph what makes you happy and don't worry about the creativity clones around town. If they spent as much time being 'good' as being 'creative' their work would stand out more :)

12/08/2003 05:03:48 PM · #68

What is next? one challenge with separate categories?

Challenge - Water:

1. Amateur
2. Novice
3. Professional

I forgot, I have never seen a site with a ban a cliche shots?
Can you show us one?

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/08/2003 05:04:30 PM · #69

Originally posted by Calvus:

I think it boils down to what direction DPC wants to take?

An educational site?
An Exclusive club?

Or both.

Either way there has to be some give. I can't see putting a ban on certain shots?

I hope it stays both. I also think people are free to vote however they want, including subtracting points for later iterations of a theme. I just don't think poeple should be evangelizing the strategy in the forums.

12/08/2003 05:05:05 PM · #70

ROFLOL!

Now that Iw ant to see.

Originally posted by Jason:

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

12/08/2003 05:05:55 PM · #71

Originally posted by Calvus:

I forgot, I have never seen a site with a ban a cliche shots?
Can you show us one?

Actually, I've seen a couple, but I couldn't find the links right now. But that doesn't make it right ...

EddyG

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

12/08/2003 05:08:36 PM · #72

Originally posted by Calvus:

I can't see putting a ban on certain shots?

That's exactly what they do over at Worth1000. People got sick of seeing the same concept regurgitated contest after contest, so they now have a list of "cliche subjects*" for their contets that are forbidden and cause immediate disqualification. :) (And note that "cliche kitty" is on the list.)

* from their rules: A cliche is anything which has been so overdone in contest entries (either at Worth1000 or at other sites) that we've decided to make it off-limits unless specified in the contest rules.

Message edited by author 2003-12-08 17:10:51.

12/08/2003 05:09:37 PM · #73

Don't we all :)

Originally posted by GeneralE:

I just don't think poeple should be evangelizing the strategy in the forums.

12/08/2003 05:11:32 PM · #74

Originally posted by Calvus:

What is next? one challenge with separate categories?

Challenge - Water:

1. Amateur
2. Novice
3. Professional

I forgot, I have never seen a site with a ban a cliche shots?
Can you show us one?

Worth 1000 does both of these, though the cliches only applied to their Photoshop contests (last I checked) because the photography contests were still too new to have developed cliches. I think different challenge levels is a great idea- why should someone like me, who has been shooting for exactly 5 months, compete with someone who has been shooting since 1974?