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02/24/2007 08:05:04 PM · #26 |
| thanxs guys, i wasnt expecting such a quick response but from wat im reading, i think i have a pretty good image of wat im up against. |
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02/24/2007 10:05:30 PM · #27 |
| So far, I think everybody except fallingretina has recommended their own camera. So I might as well do the same...I'd get a used D70, and spend the money I saved on good quality lenses. Or, you could get a D80 and be happy. Or a 30D. Unless you have a very specific idea of what you're going to shoot, the one that feels best when you pick it up is probably the one to get. They're all good. |
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02/28/2007 02:29:08 PM · #28 |
Sorry but Pentax does not produce images that appeal to me at all I am sorry to be so blunt. It is not a trap that people buy Canon & Nikon rather, it is cause they know who is making the best gear right now however; in the end the photographer will make or break the shot so if Pentax works for you, cool keep that shutter clickin!
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02/28/2007 02:45:28 PM · #29 |
All I have to say is...
D200
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02/28/2007 03:15:59 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by crazedfost78:
Sorry but Pentax does not produce images that appeal to me at all I am sorry to be so blunt. |
Care to explain?
I know everyone has their own personal preferences, but I'm just wondering what you base your opinion on. I certainly can't tell much of a difference between any of the midrange dslrs...
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02/28/2007 03:27:59 PM · #31 |
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02/28/2007 03:35:54 PM · #32 |
I find it funny how these threads always go. People dont stop to realize that ALOT of what people love in a camera is how it compliments the shooter. The camera should be an extension of the shooter.
That being said the MOST important thing is how the camera feels in your hands, how well you can interact with it, and how much of that you can afford to give up and still do what you need to do based on your budget.
It really doesnt matter what camera you use or what lens you use for general photography as long as your comfortable with it and enjoy using it, then you will enjoy photography and thats what its all about.
Go spend some time in an electronics dept and handle the cameras. Find some local photogs in your area willing to let you spend 1/2 an hour with the camera in person, anything to get a feeling for it. Then make up YOUR own mind on what feels best and fits your budget.
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02/28/2007 03:44:09 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
If you are not into the megapixel game then the D40 may be a better alternative. It has almost all the features of the D80 but the difference in price can get you an additional good lense to go with it.
Remember, it is the glass that makes the image, not the camera body. Regardless what you buy you need good optics to get the most out of it and good optics is transferable up to the next 'super' camera that comes along. |
The D40 is kinda hamstrung. I'd go D50 over the D40. Its cheaper and its a better camera. The D40 also can't fully utilize some lenses such as the 50mm f1.8 since it does't have an on body focus motor. (i.e. you can't use autofocus with this lens).
That aside, see if you can try both cameras out with comparable lenses. (Some stores will let you do it). See which feels better. See which takes better pictures. Either camera you pick you are getting a great camera. If you have lenses for one or the other stick with it. Same if you have a friend you can borrow lenses from.
Basically, follow MattO's advice. You aren't going to get a bad camera whatever you chose. You are only going to get a bad camera for you if it doesn't feel right.
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02/28/2007 05:28:36 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by option:
Originally posted by crazedfost78:
Sorry but Pentax does not produce images that appeal to me at all I am sorry to be so blunt. |
Care to explain?
I know everyone has their own personal preferences, but I'm just wondering what you base your opinion on. I certainly can't tell much of a difference between any of the midrange dslrs... |
Looks like more people on this site prefer the images produced by the K10D than the D80.
The K10D ranks currently ranks at No.26 average score for camera while the D80 is currently at No.102.
Cameras by average vote.
......or maybe the photographer is more important than the equipment. :)
On a feature Vs feature basis the Pentax K10 is a much better tool than its competition.
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03/02/2007 05:32:56 AM · #35 |
Pentax K10D is superior in feature set and bang for the buck if you care to get some decent glass. Pentax glass is cheaper than Nikon and is really pretty much as good. The Pentax 50mm f/1.4 is gorgeous and is very affordable. Nikon doesn't have a 50mm f/1.4 VR. If cash is an issue, Pentax is probably the clearest choice.
The Pentax 16-50 f/2.8 DA will probably also give a serious run for the 17-55 f/2.8's money.
Those are a couple of reasons I would recommend Pentax over Nikon.
If you wanted to do birding or something where the glass gets really insane, there might be a difference, but you had better be bringing a chequebook with no ability of guilt.
Canon is good and has better lens availability IMHO. Lens quality is close enough to be somewhat irrelevant in Nikon VS Canon here. If you hope to purchase a higher end camera down the road, Canon has more strength looking forward with their well established FF series.
Know why you are purchasing and buy accordingly. If you have a reasonable knowledge of PS, the images straight out of the camera in the shop are slightly less important. If you don't, you can usually do OK with pushing a couple of settings up like contrast, sharpness and saturation.
Anyone who says that Pentax K10D images are significantly worse than Nikon D80 images isn't looking at the whole picture. They use virtually identical sensors.
Bang for the buck - Pentax
Future FF or pro bodies - Canon
Long exposures - Canon
Sports shooting - D200 or 30D
Portrait shooting - any of the above according to your budget
Wireless flash - Pentax or Nikon
Birding - Pentax if not willing to spend more than 2000 bucks on a lens; Nikon if willing to spend 5000+ dollars on a lens, but want to spend less than 2000 on the body, and lens quality is more important than print size; Canon if price is not an issue, but print size is.
Of course, if you have a friend that has lenses and is willing to share long-term, and will be around long-term, that might help too. |
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03/07/2007 06:29:30 PM · #36 |
| Somehow I am willing to bet the D80 has been out a much shorter time than your K whatever it is. In the end the photographer makes the picture this is true however, for some reason the images lack a color balance that appeals to me when it comes to Pentax. So on that note, your numbers are wacked! Give it time, the D80 as it is used more on this site will catch up. |
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03/07/2007 06:58:28 PM · #37 |
to throw the cat among the pigeons The Sony A100 is hard to beat takes all the KM lenses as well as the "G" series plus a new set of lens from Carl Zeiss 10mp and sensor cleaning and antishake
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03/07/2007 06:59:34 PM · #38 |
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03/07/2007 07:23:14 PM · #39 |
I would prob go for the D-80 mostly because it is newer than the 30D that and I have a boatload of money stuck in Glass for Nikon.
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03/08/2007 03:11:46 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by crazedfost78:
Somehow I am willing to bet the D80 has been out a much shorter time than your K whatever it is. |
According to Dpreview, (which carries the announcement dates)....
Nikon D80 - announced 9th August 2006
Pentax K10D - announced 13th September 2006.
About 4 weeks apart. :)
bazz. |
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03/08/2007 03:37:20 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by crazedfost78:
Somehow I am willing to bet the D80 has been out a much shorter time than your K whatever it is. In the end the photographer makes the picture this is true however, for some reason the images lack a color balance that appeals to me when it comes to Pentax. So on that note, your numbers are wacked! Give it time, the D80 as it is used more on this site will catch up. |
The fact that you don't even know what camera you are talking about would lead me believe that you haven't actually done any comparisons between images produced by different manufacturers (at least not a comparison that included any recent Pentax models).
I also wouldn't be going to Vegas anytime soon if I were you: the D80 was available about a month before the K10D.
Anyway, to each his own, and I'll admit I almost bought a D80. All I have to say is this: hold a Pentax. Physically put a K10D in your hands, and then tell me you don't like it. I'm willing to bet that you wont be able to...
Message edited by author 2007-03-08 03:49:33. |
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03/08/2007 04:53:28 AM · #42 |
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03/08/2007 06:05:15 PM · #43 |
You are 100% right I didn't compare and saved my time prefering to relish in the products of Nikon & Canon instead the HAS BEEN's & USED TO BE'S...
Quit whining already...It's all fun and games...
Thats it, a shootout is in order! You wrap that PenCraps around your neck and I will stuff the D80 down my pants. Lets see who draws faster partner!
Your work is good good man I am just stirin the pot a little....The net is a great place for that. |
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03/09/2007 01:34:52 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by crazedfost78:
Thats it, a shootout is in order! You wrap that PenCraps around your neck and I will stuff the D80 down my pants. Lets see who draws faster partner!
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I have a better idea. Lets put your D80 and my K10D in the shower together for an hour, then see who can still take photos afterwards...
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03/12/2007 02:30:48 PM · #45 |
| I like that....Go ahead and fire it up my friend.... |
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03/20/2007 02:53:19 PM · #46 |
To all of the people who posted thoughtful responses, thanks! I'm just starting my own run through this maze, and now I have more info.
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03/20/2007 03:28:25 PM · #47 |
Any of these will produce excellent images. Features are pretty similar. They all have excellent lenses available. Grab one of each in your hands and see which one feels best to you. Which will you be most likely to use? The similarities and high quality of the cameras are part of what makes it so confusing as to which is the best.
The camera is a tool- you can get great pictures from almost any camera if you have taken the time to learn how to get the best from it. The rest is in your eye and your hands. We will argue that our camera is the best- and it is the best- for us. Which feels best to you?
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03/20/2007 03:51:40 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by JeffryZ:
Which feels best to you? |
Yep, I got that point loud and clear.
In addition, there are certain features and types of photos that I like to take, and those do factor in. Convenience of using different timer settings, for example. The D40 doesn't have exposure bracketing, for another.
I also like to take night photos, and I don't have an external flash, so low-light performance matters to me.
And, as a final tiebreaker, I already have 6 GB of SD cards.
So it's not like I'm worrying too much about image quality or pixel count. :)
Message edited by author 2007-03-20 15:51:54.
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03/20/2007 04:15:40 PM · #49 |
| I had the same dilemma. I chose 30D because it has a magnesium alloy body (you need D200 to get that in Nikon) and it can shoot 5 fps (vs 3 fps for D80). There are some other differences like ISO up to 3200 (1600 for D80) and shutter speed (30 - 1/8000 vs 30 - 1/4000). From what I've read the debate was between 30D and D200 not D80 so at the same price I would SURELY go with the 30D. |
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03/20/2007 04:49:47 PM · #50 |
Right. It seems like it's:
Canon 30D vs. Nikon D200 (don't know the same-level models from others)
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Canon 400D vs. Nikon D80 vs. Sony Alpha 100 vs. Pentax K10D
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