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11/12/2003 06:35:30 PM · #1 |
We already have multiple challenges on a regular basis, one for members and one open. How about we take this principle a little further.
It is obvious that some of us here want to remain true to photography, and some of us want a new version of photography -- which we describe as "digital photography" for either better or for worse.
What I would suggest is that if the site council has the time, and can be bothered putting the effort in, that we have both a no editing challenge and the free for all editing challenge each week. This could be trialed in the members section and if successful moved into the open section.
I suggest this for a simple reason, I personally feel that photography should have a minimal amount of editing -- especially as this is a contest in photography and not in digital editing. I would therefore be very disappointed to see that all editing is suddenly allowed as this makes the challenges as much a skill in photo editing as in photography. If all editing is allowed, the challenges also become a testing ground for which photo editing package is the best -- we all know that photoshop is.
Incidentally I feel that being allowed to manipulate just a small range in the hue and saturation sliders in photoshop is already going too far. This is very akin to per pixel editing, and is nearly as bad of letting people spot edit certain parts of the picture. In fact to the more knowledgeable, and those with photoshop (I don't know about all other editing packages), a picture can usually be duotone to get a similar effect, but this is definitely not spot editing.
I am hoping that this thread does not become another feeding ground for shall we open up editing or not, but that instead this thread becomes a discussion as to how to get around the problem of people wanting different editing rules. I personally am happy with the rules as they are, but obviously some people are not. |
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11/12/2003 06:45:45 PM · #2 |
Why start a new thread? There is another thread running rampant on this subject already.
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11/12/2003 06:50:09 PM · #3 |
| You have some good points there. I can understand where you are coming from with them. I had suggested before different levels to each challenge and I pretty much got laughed at. Maybe someone will at least take the time to consider what you are suggesting. |
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11/12/2003 06:56:24 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Why start a new thread? There is another thread running rampant on this subject already. |
That post was a vote, I am trying to propose a solution. Sorry if you feel I should have posted in the other thread John. |
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11/12/2003 06:56:25 PM · #5 |
Damn Tablet -- double post again.
Message edited by author 2003-11-12 18:56:56. |
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11/12/2003 06:57:49 PM · #6 |
| A similar solution which I believe should suit everybody is to have 3 challenges a week. 2 exactly as they are, and an extra members' challenge with no restrictions on editing. The rules would state that the photo has to look natural. Everybody would be happy. People who don't want the site to change have the same 2 challenges every week. People who want the rules changed have 1 challenge a week to enter. Drew and Langdon make lots of money from lots of people who pay to become a full member. Let's go for it! |
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11/12/2003 07:04:48 PM · #7 |
I like that idea, but please, while I don't mind a rule such as journalistic accuracy, I don't want them to tell me only one image can be used. Some of my better work involves bracketed exposures combined to add dynamic range. I also very much enjoy panoramic photography, both of which seem to always be excluded by someone's "one image" rule!
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
A similar solution which I believe should suit everybody is to have 3 challenges a week. 2 exactly as they are, and an extra members' challenge with no restrictions on editing. The rules would state that the photo has to look natural. Everybody would be happy. People who don't want the site to change have the same 2 challenges every week. People who want the rules changed have 1 challenge a week to enter. Drew and Langdon make lots of money from lots of people who pay to become a full member. Let's go for it! |
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11/12/2003 07:08:48 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I like that idea, but please, while I don't mind a rule such as journalistic accuracy, I don't want them to tell me only one image can be used. Some of my better work involves bracketed exposures combined to add dynamic range. I also very much enjoy panoramic photography, both of which seem to always be excluded by someone's "one image" rule! |
I absolutely agree... maybe the rules need to specify that if more than one image is used, they have to be images taken at the same place within 5 minutes of each other. |
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11/12/2003 07:25:47 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
A similar solution which I believe should suit everybody is to have 3 challenges a week. 2 exactly as they are, and an extra members' challenge with no restrictions on editing. The rules would state that the photo has to look natural. Everybody would be happy. People who don't want the site to change have the same 2 challenges every week. People who want the rules changed have 1 challenge a week to enter. Drew and Langdon make lots of money from lots of people who pay to become a full member. Let's go for it! |
Yeah, what he said (exactly).
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11/12/2003 07:27:16 PM · #10 |
I have to admit, I feel strange being in the middle of a site battle. Basically, I̢۪m looking for a home with critiques and a place to display what I do. I could host it on one of my sites but I would prefer it stay in the photography realm so that those that appreciate what I do can find it.
Having said that, I'm just getting back into creative photography and while I agree with not painting your photo to make it something its not, I also agree with correcting imperfections to make it what you intended it to be. Another site I̢۪m looking at is digitalphotocontest.com but they seem so impersonal, but they have an attractive set of rules that I agree with. So, me being a newbie and all, If I may suggest a variation on them for this site? If not, I understand.
Cheers
TC
Image Modifications - These rules apply to all categories unless stated otherwise.
Cropping and Rotation: Images may be cropped and rotated as long as a rectangular format is maintained. Exception: The rectangular format restriction does not apply to the Digital Art category.
Resizing: Images may be resized as long as aspect ratio is maintained. Exception: The aspect ratio restriction does not apply to the Digital Art category.
Borders and Frames: No borders or frames shall be added to images prior to submission. Borders are added by DPC to all entries upon submission. Exception: Borders or frames may be added to Digital Art category submissions.
Watermarks, Signatures, or Copyright Notices: These marks may be added to the photos to protect the photographer's copyright. Keep in mind, however, that excessively large, distracting watermarks may weaken your photo and thus hinder its chances of being selected as a Photo of the Day.
Spot Editing, including Red-eye Removal: Spot editing refers to the application of a change or effect to a selected portion of a photo. Spot editing and red-eye removal are permitted for the purpose of improving the appearance of a photograph and to give it a more natural look. The "more natural look" goal may be suspended for the Digital Art category.
Adding or Replacing Elements: Elements or objects that do not exist in the original photo shall not be added to an image. For example, you can not improve a sky by replacing it with a sky from another photograph. This restriction does not apply to the Digital Art category.
Examples of Permitted Modifications - These modifications may be applied selectively or globally to all categories unless stated otherwise.
One-step enhancement (known in various software packages as Auto Levels, Enhance, Intellihance, Quick Fix, etc.)
Global conversion of color images to grayscale, sepia, or similarly toned images. For the Digital Art category, such conversions may be applied to selected areas rather than globally. This rule does not prevent you from correcting color anomalies, such as purple fringing, in all categories. This rule is meant to prevent the artistic combining of color and grayscale in all categories except Digital Art.
Use of filters such as sharpen, unsharp mask, soften, blur, despeckle, JPG cleanup, and remove noise. These filters should not be used to the extent that they create a non-realistic or artistic effect.
Use of corrective functions such as levels, contrast, brightness, curves, gamma, intensity, tone, hue, saturation, desaturation, lightness, value (in HSV model), RGB color channel adjustment, color balance, and tint.
Use of the cloning or rubber stamp tool to remove minor blemishes and small, unwanted items such as power lines and debris that may spoil your composition.
Barrel distortion and pin-cushioning correction.
Keep in mind that the intent of any modification is to produce a more natural looking photograph rather than an obviously manipulated one, and judges will make their selections on this basis. The "more natural look" goal may be suspended for the Digital Art category. |
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11/12/2003 07:43:25 PM · #11 |
ewwwww
what's this I hear???
could it be????
I'll bet it is!
It's the sound of someone beating a dead horse.
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