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11/12/2003 12:06:17 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by heida:
Lol you would probably order some sheep blood stuffed with brains |
hey! There's nothing wrong with haggis! |
Oh yes there is, unless your a Scot! sheep stomach w/ oatmeal.
I'd rather bangers and mash or bubble and squeak myself. (I know, not Scottish) |
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11/12/2003 12:12:09 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by JC Homola:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by heida:
Lol you would probably order some sheep blood stuffed with brains |
hey! There's nothing wrong with haggis! |
Oh yes there is, unless your a Scot! sheep stomach w/ oatmeal.
I'd rather bangers and mash or bubble and squeak myself. (I know, not Scottish) |
The stomach is just what its cooked in, much in the same way sausages were originally stuffed in animal intestines. Most haggis is cooked in manufactured sausage skins now too - making it pretty much identical to most other sausage (which are also made of ground up off cuts and offal) |
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11/12/2003 12:15:39 PM · #28 |
| Maybe we can help Soros in his propaganda attempt! LOL |
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11/12/2003 12:26:26 PM · #29 |
[quote=Gordon
The stomach is just what its cooked in, much in the same way sausages were originally stuffed in animal intestines. Most haggis is cooked in manufactured sausage skins now too - making it pretty much identical to most other sausage (which are also made of ground up off cuts and offal)[/quote]
Point taken...
Given I eat things like, iternitz and sultz...
just jokeing around. no offence meant |
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11/12/2003 12:27:42 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by JC Homola:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by heida:
Lol you would probably order some sheep blood stuffed with brains |
hey! There's nothing wrong with haggis! |
Oh yes there is, unless your a Scot! sheep stomach w/ oatmeal.
I'd rather bangers and mash or bubble and squeak myself. (I know, not Scottish) |
The stomach is just what its cooked in, much in the same way sausages were originally stuffed in animal intestines. Most haggis is cooked in manufactured sausage skins now too - making it pretty much identical to most other sausage (which are also made of ground up off cuts and offal) |
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Haggis!!!!!!!!!
Great stuff, now I'll have to go find one. My wife thinks it is the most revolting thing EVER. Just having it in the house causes an increase in marital discord. Oh well, I'll just have to hide it in the back of the fridge where she never looks.
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11/12/2003 12:31:19 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Haggis!!!!!!!!!
Great stuff, now I'll have to go find one. My wife thinks it is the most revolting thing EVER. Just having it in the house causes an increase in marital discord. Oh well, I'll just have to hide it in the back of the fridge where she never looks. |
Well - given the FDA consider it unfit for human consumption and hence it can't be imported to the US, its pretty hard to find anything authentic :) |
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11/12/2003 12:41:29 PM · #32 |
| I think I´m gonna throw up now |
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11/12/2003 12:51:37 PM · #33 |
Good link pitsaman, thanx.
FDA is not our best government agencies, often off the mark, bends easily to political pressure. |
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11/12/2003 01:14:20 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Good link pitsaman, thanx.
FDA is not our best government agencies, often off the mark, bends easily to political pressure. |
They just think that people shouldn't be eating cow lungs |
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11/12/2003 01:15:08 PM · #35 |
You can also look at the communistic propaganda and especially the part that honours the working class. You could try to sell communism or make a kind of photo that is meant to attract people to find a job in the agriculture. Sun wrinkled and tanned faces with deep shadows, muscle, soil, tools, crops. Check out old soviet, Chinese and Korean posters. Or do it the other way round an make propaganda for Freedom of Speech, Liberalism, Capitalism and such.
You could do this for any kind of broad job definition. Make a pic that honors nurses for example.
Create propaganda to encourage people to go to school, to do something positive with nature and/or wildlife, to have respect for a multicultural society, discourage the use of drugs and alcohol, to encourage people to care for eachother, stop war, get out of ...., help the Afghan girls, liberate ...., buy (nations) products and so on.
But don't come with stuff like: use this detergent, eat Mars candybars, Subway's subs are low on fat and full of healthy ingredients, drive a 5.9 liter Chevy cause that makes girls think that your a real tough guy....
But "drink milk" or something like that is usable, or propaganda about saving the environment by driving cars with good fuel economy or alternative energy solutions. You could also make propaganda about using fuel, CO2 makes plants grow better. :)
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11/12/2003 01:15:30 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by heida:
I think I´m gonna throw up now |
me too.....
hey is this propaganda? |
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11/12/2003 01:19:59 PM · #37 |
Picture of Che Guevera or whatzhisface from Cuba...they have all kinds of propaganda there...maybe tho shouldn't just be POLITICAL propaganda. There are so many types. Try maybe in advertising for commercials, or just the national news. Here in the USA the only thing people believe is generally what they hear on the news...not much free thinking anymore which is sad
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11/12/2003 01:21:27 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by FatWillie:
Picture of Che Guevera or whatzhisface from Cuba...they have all kinds of propaganda there...maybe tho shouldn't just be POLITICAL propaganda. There are so many types. Try maybe in advertising for commercials, or just the national news. Here in the USA the only thing people believe is generally what they hear on the news...not much free thinking anymore which is sad |
I was thinking a CNN logo with the US flag superimposed on it |
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11/12/2003 01:25:24 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Well - given the FDA consider it unfit for human consumption and hence it can't be imported to the US, its pretty hard to find anything authentic :) |
The FDA says the same thing about fresh unpasteurized cheese. But I assure you, if you ever try it, you'd be first in line to tell the FDA to stuff it up their %#$#%@!!!! |
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11/12/2003 03:51:46 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by Trinch:
Is there a way to get a caption on everyone's entry that reads: "The subject of the photograph may not reflect the belief of the photographer".
I have a few ideas but they are likely to anger a few people. I came to realize that it is difficult to do propaganda without raising a few eyebrows (or fists). |
I feel this will be a challenge where the voters MUST put their personal feelings aside and just vote on the photo. Of course some photos will need to use the voters emotions/feelings to express the photo the way the photographer wanted it expressed. But dont let personal feelings lower a photo's score because you dont agree with the subject matter.
James |
Here Here. Well said. Do you think it will happen? |
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11/12/2003 03:53:10 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Haggis!!!!!!!!!
Great stuff, now I'll have to go find one. My wife thinks it is the most revolting thing EVER. Just having it in the house causes an increase in marital discord. Oh well, I'll just have to hide it in the back of the fridge where she never looks. |
Well - given the FDA consider it unfit for human consumption and hence it can't be imported to the US, its pretty hard to find anything authentic :) |
Yes, but if you have friends that live where it IS available, that makes the acquisition of said delicacy much more feasible, though by no means straightforward.
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11/12/2003 03:58:23 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by nborton:
the biggest difference for me between propaganda and advertising, is that you are selling an idea instead of a product. |
"Everyone will like you if you buy THIS toothpaste"
"You'll be more successful if you try THIS deodorant"
"You'll take better pictures if you store your camera in THIS case"
THAT'S Propaganda in advertising! |
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11/12/2003 04:06:32 PM · #43 |
I missed the "Book Titles" chllenge unfortunately (having been too busy lately) but I really hope to have something decent for this one.
I wonder how many will be able to shock with their photos in a challenge which clearly calls for it... (advertising is not proganda, IMHO, regardless the lies..).
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11/12/2003 04:26:32 PM · #44 |
The difference between advertisement and propaganda is minimal,in first one someone is pushing product in other one someone is pushing idea or way of living!
Anything will work for me for 10 score!
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11/12/2003 04:28:53 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by heida:
Lol you would probably order some sheep blood stuffed with brains |
hey! There's nothing wrong with haggis! |
Yeh but they are really hard to catch - they can run so fast....
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11/12/2003 10:01:23 PM · #46 |
Propaganda is usually only considered "propaganda" to the opposition. To the propagandist, it's seen as informing. To PETA, an anti-meat advertising campaign is informative, to the meat industry its propaganda; to the meat industry, beef and pork ads are advertising, to PETA they're propaganda. CNN can't win in anyone's eyes: to the right they're propagandizing for the left and/or against America, to the world they're propaganidizing for America.
So, back to the original comments by Trinch and James - The things that come to my mind as "propaganda" are things that (IMO) falsely or inacurately portray ideas or positions I don't agree with. So, while I don't have a concrete idea for a picture yet, it's very likely it won't be something I personally agree with. So, as James said, hopefully people won't vote for or against based on the ideas "promoted" by the pictures.
Of course, since I'm probably in the minority politically around here, there's a good chance I'll think of some obnoxious propaganda message many of the voters will find agreable. :) |
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11/12/2003 10:10:54 PM · #47 |
Propaganda is the promotion of specific policies to the benefit of the propagandist in the face of rational evidence contravening their objective validity.
For example, Southern California Safeway workers are on strike. They say the Corporation wants to "take away their health care benefits" because the company wants to implement a $90/month or so health insurance co-payment (not an insignificant percentage of their income), even though the company is profitable.
The Corporation is responding with radio commercials to the effect "we are offering one of the most generous benefits packages in the country." Since the vast majority of benefits packages (when available) suck, this might technically BE one of the best, and still suck.
Propaganda is couching your policies in terms likely to arouse the emotions and dull the wits of your target; speak in broad, heroic generalities and avoid the verifiable. |
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11/13/2003 12:30:05 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by heida:
I think I´m gonna throw up now |
Have you ever tried it?
It's gggrrrreat. As a kid, I could never stomach eating it. Now, every time I manage to get back home, I wolf the stuff down.
The wife (Japanese) thinks that it's pure sh*te.
The moral is don't knock it until you try it. |
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11/13/2003 12:42:18 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Haggis!!!!!!!!!
Great stuff, now I'll have to go find one. My wife thinks it is the most revolting thing EVER. Just having it in the house causes an increase in marital discord. Oh well, I'll just have to hide it in the back of the fridge where she never looks. |
Well - given the FDA consider it unfit for human consumption and hence it can't be imported to the US, its pretty hard to find anything authentic :) |
You should be able to find someone in your local chapter of the Society for Creative Anachronism who can whip up a reasonable facsimile for you. Or possibly even a Blütwurst or some "head cheese" or something ...
From Larousse Gastronomique:
Haggis may be regarded as the national dish of Scotland. It is in that part of the United Kingdom only that this somewhat unusual dish is fully appreciated.
[background and recipe]
Haggis is normally served in a well-starched napkin and whisky is the traditional drink which goes with it.
Well, that last part makes sense anyway ... |
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11/13/2003 12:48:55 AM · #50 |
"I filmed the truth as it was then. Nothing more."
- Leni Riefenstahl
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