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 02/12/2007 12:13:20 AM · #1
So here's the post I promised, heh.

My inspiration for the photo was Pavlov. You know the guy that learned about conditional reflexes with a dog and a bell. I got a couple comments saying they understood what I was doing in the photo, but it still DNMC.

So my question is.. how many didn't even see the "drool" coming off the fork? And for those who did see it and still think it DNMC, why?



Message edited by author 2007-02-12 12:17:23.
 02/12/2007 12:18:30 AM · #2
well technically, it was a DOG drooling, not a person and therefor not personification.
 02/12/2007 12:20:19 AM · #3
Originally posted by Blue Moon:
well technically, it was a DOG drooling, not a person and therefor not personification.


That's like saying cancer research on mice has nothing to do with humans.
 02/12/2007 01:26:07 AM · #4
I got that the fork was "drooling" but didn't find the concept all that appetizing, though I gave it a better-than-average score. Your explanation does remind me of one of my favorite definitions:

"Pavlovian Response: That reflex which makes a scientist ring a bell every time he sees a dog drool."
 02/12/2007 01:34:56 AM · #5
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I got that the fork was "drooling" but didn't find the concept all that appetizing, though I gave it a better-than-average score. Your explanation does remind me of one of my favorite definitions:

"Pavlovian Response: That reflex which makes a scientist ring a bell every time he sees a dog drool."


ClubJuggle said he couldn't remember who Pavlov was, but it rung a bell. Horrible isn't it? heh
 02/12/2007 01:35:52 AM · #6
See that 9?
I gave that to ya!
 02/12/2007 03:15:49 AM · #7
I didn't get it, but then again I don't know anything about that Pavlov guy either :-P
 02/12/2007 03:42:34 AM · #8
Honestly, I didn't think much of this one at first. But thats mostly because I don't really think abstractly. I do however think its a great photo and is pretty clever. Don't mind others saying it DNMC... it works.
 02/12/2007 07:35:58 AM · #9
As another low voter on this shot, it did go "way" over my head. All I saw was aa fork with a drop of water and cake. Kind of like an enhancement on a flower. Too much imigination on your part and lack of what you thought alot us would see on your part. I must have cut that class about this guy, Pavlov. I never heard of him either. Van
 02/12/2007 11:13:20 AM · #10
I heard of pavlov because it was part of my economics study at the University of Amsterdam (part of how to let people do what you want, like work for you or buy your stuff).
A drop on the end of a fork near a cake does not work as personifaction for me, no matter how well I know pavlov or whatever. For all I know you are just a messy eater or did't dry the fork after cleaning it.


02/12/2007 11:34:43 AM · #11
maybe it was the "explain the picture for dummies" title
 02/12/2007 11:43:29 AM · #12
if you had titled it "drool" perhaps it woulda been easier. the drool doesn't look droolish, though. not goopy enuff! think homer, not pavlov :)
 02/12/2007 11:56:56 AM · #13
The title was a result of 20+ tries at naming it. I got frustrated right at the end, named it that, got up to eat dinner, came back, and the challenge had rolled into voting with that title, heh. I was trying to name it something that wouldn't insult people, but also would be understood by people who didn't know anything about Pavlov. I couldn't come up with anything to make both sides happy and then the Homer Simpson in me took over, heh.
 02/12/2007 11:58:15 AM · #14
I do know about Pavlov, and I don't get this picture. I might be being a bit dim today, however.

Isn't the type of cake a Pavlova? And is the fork supposed to represent a person, or is it supposed to be the fork that is experiencing a Pavlovian response? And in this case, is the stimuli the cake (which would not be very Pavlovian - hence the bell) or something else?
02/12/2007 12:03:58 PM · #15
Should have called it Pavlov's Fork.

Also, the lighting and comp draws your eye to the cake, where it should be drawing you to the fork.
 02/12/2007 12:16:08 PM · #16
Originally posted by Matthew:
I do know about Pavlov, and I don't get this picture. I might be being a bit dim today, however.

Isn't the type of cake a Pavlova? And is the fork supposed to represent a person, or is it supposed to be the fork that is experiencing a Pavlovian response? And in this case, is the stimuli the cake (which would not be very Pavlovian - hence the bell) or something else?


The fork is the one showing human characteristics. It's drooling over the cake. Think of cake and your mouth starts to water. Think of a lemon and the same thing will happen.

Incase anyone wants to read more about Pavlov and his contribution to sciences.

Edit: I thought you were joking about the Pavlova cake, heh. Had I known there was such a thing I probably would have made it special just for that image.

Pavlova cake

Message edited by author 2007-02-12 12:21:45.
 02/12/2007 12:23:38 PM · #17
Based on photography alone this is an average DPC submission and I gave it an average score (That would be a 7 from me). Overall you got a score about .7 below what the average voter gives the average submission and that is because they did not "get it".

I'm one of the ones that did not instantly "get it". I did not even read the title (I usually don't) and probably took about 1/2 a second to make my judgment.

Pavlov's research aside and ignoring the esoteric arguement that Pavlov's study pertains to humans and not just dogs, the lesson for you to take away from this challenge is that in order to get a high score you need to submit an above average image technically and that it needs to meet the challenge in an unambiquous way instantly apparent to the vast majority of voters.

If I would have "got it" at the time of voting my rating would not have changed.

Message edited by author 2007-02-12 12:31:06.
 02/12/2007 12:24:37 PM · #18
I would have named it something like "Salivation" to emphasize the human element. I didn't vote though....
 02/12/2007 12:25:20 PM · #19
Sorry, I didn't get it either ... and I tried. I think I spent five minutes scratching my head over this one. Sorry. :(

I concur with MasterLlama Steve, "Pavlov's Fork" would have worked for me. :)
 02/12/2007 12:28:13 PM · #20
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by Matthew:
I do know about Pavlov, and I don't get this picture. I might be being a bit dim today, however.

Isn't the type of cake a Pavlova? And is the fork supposed to represent a person, or is it supposed to be the fork that is experiencing a Pavlovian response? And in this case, is the stimuli the cake (which would not be very Pavlovian - hence the bell) or something else?


The fork is the one showing human characteristics. It's drooling over the cake. Think of cake and your mouth starts to water. Think of a lemon and the same thing will happen.

Incase anyone wants to read more about Pavlov and his contribution to sciences.

Edit: I thought you were joking about the Pavlova cake, heh. Had I known there was such a thing I probably would have made it special just for that image.

Pavlova cake


Thanks! The aspect I was getting confused over was that Pavlov usually triggered a reflex reaction using unrelated stimuli such as a bell to demonstrate unconscious reaction to previously experienced, linked events. It is not usually a Pavlovian reaction if you react to the direct stimuli (here - the cake) - but I take the point that it is the sight of the cake that is important.

I may be thinking too much about this, however!
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