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02/11/2007 12:37:04 AM · #1
I was shooting an indoor car show today shot 459 pictures not including the ones i chimped and deleted. I shot in CCD-RAW and used about 6 memory cards.

My question is sadly due to the poorly lit interior 50% of my shots ended up being ISO 400 with an aperature of 2.8 and shutter speeds of 1/5 1/8 and 1/10. With the croud using a tripod to get an effective shot wasnt possible.

I had to reshoto some cars 3 or 4 or 5 times to get a clear shot but believe it or not i can hand hold a 1/10. And i can Lean/Kneel as slow as 1/3. But its difficult as hell and doesnt usualy produce great results.

My question is more on the end of the aperature. Lets put a hypothetical to where i could use a decent tripod.

I know that using a smaller aperature (F/9 is the smallest f stop on this lense at full telephoto and F/8 at wide angle)

Is there a point to where my subject becomes no sharper or clearer and its just affecting the background is there a certain point to where im shooting with a rediculous aperature.

Message edited by author 2007-02-11 00:44:01.
02/11/2007 12:39:54 AM · #2
This was from the show shutter speed was 1/8th full standing handheld



This was try number 2 of 2 on that shot. I can handhold a slow shot.

Message edited by author 2007-02-11 00:44:58.
02/11/2007 12:40:17 AM · #3
This may or may not help but I really can tell, at least on my "normal" shots, any difference between photos shot above f18ish.

Originally posted by RainMotorsports:

I was shooting an indoor car show today shot 459 pictures not including the ones i chimped and deleted. I shot in CCD-RAW and used about 6 memory cards.

My question is sadly due to the poorly lit interior 50% of my shots ended up being ISO 400 with an aperature of 2.8 and shutter speeds of 1/5 1/8 and 1/10. With the croud using a tripod to get an effective shot wasnt possible.

I had to reshoto some cars 3 or 4 or 5 times to get a clear shot but believe it or not i can hand hold a 1/10. And i can Lean/Kneel as slow as 1/3. But its difficult as hell and doesnt usualy produce great results.

My question is more on the end of the aperature. Lets put a hypothetical to where i could use a decent tripod.

I know that using a smaller aperature (F/9 is the smallest f stop on this lense at full telephoto and F/8 at wide angle)

Is there a point to where my subject becomes no sharper or clearer and its just affecting the background is there a certain point to where im shooting with a rediculous aperature.


Message edited by author 2007-02-11 00:41:34.
02/11/2007 01:24:57 AM · #4
Originally posted by RainMotorsports:



Is there a point to where my subject becomes no sharper or clearer and its just affecting the background is there a certain point to where im shooting with a rediculous aperature.


The short answer is yes. Getting to that answer involves understanding depth of field and hyperfocal distances. There is a point in MOST scenes where stopping down further simply creates a longer exposure and doesn't increase the sharpness within your scene. Most point and shoot cameras have a very small sensor and the lenses provide a great depth of field. Chances are, that if you shot the scenes you saw with f/4 or f/5.6, you would have 'infinite' depth of field in that particular environment if you set your focus on the proper point within the scene.
02/11/2007 02:01:19 AM · #5
I had to go searching to find out what "real" focal lengths your camera has (not the 35mm equivalent, but the actual focal length of the lens) and found here that it goes from 5.7mm to 57mm (37mm to 370mm is the 35mm equivalent based on the size of your sensor).

Okay, so knowing what the real focal lengths are, let's take a look at an Online Depth of Field Calculator to see what your Depth of Field ranges are. Select your camera from the drop down list. Then select a focal length setting of 5.7mm and an aperture of f/2.8. On the right-hand side of the screen you can see that your hyperfocal distance is 7.56 feet. In other words, at f/2.8, if you focus on something 7.56 feet away, then it and everything beyond it (to infinity) will all be in focus.

Stopping down to f/8, the hyperfocal distance drops to 2.68 feet.

In other words, at the wide end of your lens (5.7mm), there is very little reason to ever shoot anything less than wide open because you almost always have everything in focus. (side note: however, most lenses are sharper at a stop or two down from wide open, but this has nothing to do with Depth of Field)

Now let's look at the long end of the lens. Zooming out to 57mm we get a bit of a different story. Once again, set the aperture to f/2.8 and look at the hyperfocal distance. This time you'd have to focus on an object 727 feet away in order to get the subject and everything behind it (to infinity) in focus, or 257 feet at f/8.

I doubt you were shooting cars that far away. So let's get some more realistic numbers and look at what the DOF looks like. Let's say you were using 57mm and your subject was 50 feet away. If you focus on your subject, then everything from 46.8 feet to 53.7 feet will be in focus (i.e. a DOF of 6.88 feet). So as long as your subject isn't deeper (front to back) than 6.88 feet long (and you focus in the middle of it), you will get your entire subject in focus at 50 feet away, using a 57mm focal length at f/2.8.

Changing to f/8 increases the depth of field. Now everything from 41.9 to 62 feet away will be in focus (20.1 feet).

Chances are, you have no need for f/8 at a subject distance of 50 feet when shooting cars. So instead, save the f/8 setting for landscape shots (when zoomed all the way).

Hope this helps.
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