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10/27/2003 07:24:34 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Problem is not with the real people who participate in challenges and vote,but the fictional users! IMO |
That was my issue at the beginning before realizing that is a path who drives into madness.
Why? Because it's exactly the same as democracy.
We have to believe that voting works (even if there are less and less people who vote..). We have to believe that in an open mechanism the outcome will not be doctored by a few...
Otherwise, it is a bit silly to partecipate if you do not believe in it.. isn't it?
However, that makes it even more important to have alternative offers. Because in a system were there is only one (or two) offers, no way that is gonna be what it promises to be...
And then everything becomes flat and boring and we cannot complain about what we are in because it is our fault too. |
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10/27/2003 07:59:17 PM · #27 |
pitsaman, I have such a respect for you. I love your photography and your posts, but this one is going a bit too far.
This site is becoming so restrictive as it is. Editing rules, narrow minded poeple (not everyone), but it really restricts grows as a photographer.
Both my son and my husband are registered members here on DPC. They both submit along with me. We shoot and share the same camera. My son is learning and it is such a great outlet for him. He comes on photoshoots with me, we take turns (we each have our own set of smartmedia cards). We all make comments and learn from others. Why would you want to attack this kind of setup?
Take an anti-paranoia pill, buddy.
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10/27/2003 08:18:40 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
My brother Beagleboy gives me 10s. That's why I win ribbons.
shhhh. don't tell him I don't return the favor. :P |
I think he beat you last time :))))) |
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10/27/2003 08:27:52 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by timmi:
Take an anti-paranoia pill, buddy. |
All three Pascal are cool,very nice photos,I was talking about users who do not submit photos in challenges(Vote only) and maybe do not even exist! |
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10/27/2003 11:36:04 PM · #30 |
I have a close friend who can not get online any other time than when she is either visiting me or at the library. She stops by occassionally to upload a photo to this site or another one. She occassionally votes too, has never had a problem on this site.
Another site recently has stopped allowing members to share the same IP address. So now she can not compete on that site or vote if I have been to the site that day. Of course her ip address will match up with mine its the same computer, same server but different people, that site has obviously never heard of sharing a computer.
Now I am the member here but my husband is a registered user and from time to time competes in open challenges. Also if I really push him to he will vote and leave comments. But, really stopping people from voting and competing just because they share a share a computer or a home is very insulting. As it was pointed out to me in the past that one vote doesn't do much to the overall score when you are dealing with 100 plus votes.
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10/28/2003 12:14:06 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Problem is not with the real people who participate in challenges and vote,but the fictional users! IMO |
That was my issue at the beginning before realizing that is a path who drives into madness.
Why? Because it's exactly the same as democracy.
We have to believe that voting works (even if there are less and less people who vote..). We have to believe that in an open mechanism the outcome will not be doctored by a few...
Otherwise, it is a bit silly to partecipate if you do not believe in it.. isn't it? |
If you want to be further depressed and/or outraged, check out this article.
Message edited by author 2003-10-28 00:14:52. |
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10/28/2003 01:39:27 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you want to be further depressed and/or outraged, check out this article. |
Well.. very ironically there is a similarity between the democratic electoral processes of all countries (including US) and the voting system of DPC:
Both of them relies on the anonimity of the voters. =)
While is not a tragedy if some group of trolls should spoil one or two challenges, a complete different matter is if it happens on such a large scale as a Country.
But what makes me wonder more is this fact:
to count votes is very easy (or at least it should be..).
What makes it nearly an impossible task is the anonymity and politicians never propose a law or a referendum to change that.
Is people too coward to display their preferences?
How long it will take before our society will realize that it is a necessary step to improve?
Will blood and wars be necessary for that?
I suppose that the answer may lie a few hundred years in the future. |
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10/28/2003 01:59:43 PM · #33 |
I really don't think other members of family have swayed the vote to much. Or we would be seeing poor photos on the front page.
I wouldn't worry about this. Go take some photos!
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10/28/2003 02:01:00 PM · #34 |
Glimpse~sounds like a fun site. Be sure to announce it when it is up and running. I would love to see what you have to offer.
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10/28/2003 02:17:39 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Glimpse~sounds like a fun site. Be sure to announce it when it is up and running. I would love to see what you have to offer. |
Thank you Sonja, I will. |
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10/28/2003 03:10:53 PM · #36 |
My wife (Kavey) rarely enters at the moment, but manages to vote most of the time when I've entered. She's never given me a 10.
I guess the system works :-)
[now if I can just get her to become a member and give me a 10 on the members challenges, I'll be laughing] |
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10/28/2003 03:25:50 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
If you want to be further depressed and/or outraged, check out this article. |
Well.. very ironically there is a similarity between the democratic electoral processes of all countries (including US) and the voting system of DPC:
Both of them relies on the anonimity of the voters. =)
While is not a tragedy if some group of trolls should spoil one or two challenges, a complete different matter is if it happens on such a large scale as a Country.
But what makes me wonder more is this fact:
to count votes is very easy (or at least it should be..).
What makes it nearly an impossible task is the anonymity and politicians never propose a law or a referendum to change that.
Is people too coward to display their preferences?
How long it will take before our society will realize that it is a necessary step to improve?
Will blood and wars be necessary for that?
I suppose that the answer may lie a few hundred years in the future. |
You probably want to look at some history before you try to be doomed to repeat it. It wasn't until about the 1872 reform act that the electoral ballot became secret. There were a lot of good reasons for that particular improvement that you'd like to remove.
As a quick example - how would you like your employer to know how you voted ? Your church group ? Your landlord ? and so on...
The concept of a secret ballot is pretty obviously valuable. |
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10/28/2003 03:38:01 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
You probably want to look at some history before you try to be doomed to repeat it. It wasn't until about the 1872 reform act that the electoral ballot became secret. There were a lot of good reasons for that particular improvement that you'd like to remove.
As a quick example - how would you like your employer to know how you voted ? Your church group ? Your landlord ? and so on...
The concept of a secret ballot is pretty obviously valuable. |
Let me disagree Gordon.
First of all, if the church group and the landlord already rules.. what is the ballot for?
If, instead, the ballot should express a popular power and then define who owns it what's the advantage of keeping it secret?
Finally, I rather doubt that whoever it is not willing to defend his own opinion publicly deserves to vote at all.
In fact, this may well be the reason why we live in such dark times.. |
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10/28/2003 03:42:05 PM · #39 |
My brother is a photographer on this site (I am not) but as I stated in a similar thread last week, I don't allow our relationship to sway my vote one way or the other. In fact, I usually don't know which photo is his in the open challenges until after I have cast my vote (I can't vote in members only challenges so he often shows me those shots beforehand). I find it more fun if I don't know which one is his so I can seek and find and see just how well I know my little brother. (Turns out I must know him pretty well since I found his Shadows II entry within 3 guesses!) It's fun for both of us that way. Of course, if he uses a person in his shot, there's a good chance I'll get it right the first time since we pretty much know who's who within our own family. ;-)
Anyway, my point that lies within all this rambling is that just because we're related, it doesn't mean I'm going to give him a 10 every time. Truth of the matter is, if I know which shot is his and I don't particularly care for it, I might not score him low, but there is a chance I wouldn't vote on it at all. I may not want to hurt his average wiht a 5 or 6, but I sure won't pad it with a 9 or 10 either. He doesn't want to win that way. Neither would I.
I think you would find, from serious photographers who ARE using this site as a learning tool, that they and their families feel the same and vote accordingly. |
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