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 10/27/2003 12:52:37 PM · #1
4 days ago, I received a request for DQ which I responded to promptly. I haven't heard back since, neither does my entry show a validation note (to-date).

Comments on the photo in question indicate that I may have received several requests for DQ, not just one. Under the circumstances, I'm growing concerned that my entry may be regarded as undeserving by more than a troll. The challenge ends tomorrow.

Are there any patches for my dilemma or should I just roll over? ;-)

Message edited by author 2003-10-27 12:56:21.
 10/27/2003 01:08:38 PM · #2
Not all legal photos receive a note. Everyone is supposed to vote on EVERY photo as if it is LEGAL. If people follow this rule, then your photo will get its just score if it's not DQd, regardless of the admin note (or lack thereof) on it.

If it is legal and still in the voting pool, you can probably not worry about it.
 10/27/2003 01:25:52 PM · #3
K, I'll try to probably not worry. ;-)

Thanks for responding, Gen.
 10/27/2003 01:54:49 PM · #4
Incidentally, I would think that requesting DQs would be a rather unsatisfactory activity for a troll, seeing as how the disqualification would have to be approved by an entire panel.
10/27/2003 02:32:21 PM · #5
> mk

True.
 10/27/2003 02:48:13 PM · #6
On a happier note, my entry has been validated a few minutes ago, and I'm left, once again, with nothing to complain about.

Well, except the score. ;-)

Message edited by author 2003-10-27 14:49:48.
 10/27/2003 04:33:05 PM · #7
Unfortunately, whilst people are SUPPOSED to vote on it as if it were legal, I don't think this always happens.

I've seen some photos which look like they MAY have been edited score very low, even though they were legal - some people seem to just look at them and think 'bah, he cheated' and score low, without bothering with DQ's.


10/27/2003 04:54:52 PM · #8
Remove the editing rules and do away with disqualifications.
 10/27/2003 05:13:13 PM · #9
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Remove the editing rules and do away with disqualifications.


ditto
 10/27/2003 05:27:05 PM · #10
Then it becomes a Photoshop contest, to a degree, and that I can find on any number of other sites.

I can use photoshop very effectively indeed.

My photography is lacking.

I am learning fast right now, and my photos have improved noticably since I found here. In my case, and I may well be in the minority, had I been able to correct all my photographic faults using photoshop I'd have not learned what I am learning, as I would not have been "forced" to do things with the camera.

There are so many competition sites, why not keep this one for photography rather than photoshop?
 10/27/2003 05:34:40 PM · #11
keep the rules... I chose this site because I wanted to improve and compete for taking photo's, not playing in photoshop.
 10/27/2003 05:37:36 PM · #12
this has already been debated like crazy, but it might be time again to take another look at the issue. i am one of the people who voted for things to stay the same because they are fine. my own personal growth since that time has opened up my mind and also increased my frustration. dpc will never turn into a photoshop contest, and i think it's time we all learned how to do more things. in the end just as it is now, the best photo will rise to the top. having open editing challenges has proven 99% of people won't abuse photoshop and the winners truly are the best photos. any thoughts?
 10/27/2003 06:09:22 PM · #13
Originally posted by cvt_:
keep the rules... I chose this site because I wanted to improve and compete for taking photo's, not playing in photoshop.


You will never realize the potential that digital photography has to offer.
 10/27/2003 07:05:34 PM · #14
I told myself I would not post again on this matter, but here goes. I was one to vote "no change" last time this went to poll.
I have done a complete 180, I am convinced that we should be able to use a much wider array of editing tools than currently allowed. I do not feel that it would result in a "photoshop contest." I do feel it would let me...

- Clone out specks from dust motes on my sensor
- Dodge and/or burn a little
- Use software to introduce realistic grain for artistic effect
- Correct lens distortion
- Perform perspective correction
- Create a single, low-noise night shot out of stacked exposures
- Submit a stereogram based on two exposures (eliminate need for beamsplitter)
- Submit a diptych or tryptich
- Create a composite macro shot for increased DoF
- Create a composite high-dynamic-range (HDR) image
- Create a panorama composed of multiple images
- Create a portrait with selectively-applied soft focus

All of the above are currently illegal, violating one rule or another. All of the above are also wholly in keeping with the goal of producing a realistic photograph, not "digital art".
If our goal is to truly grow as digital photographers, then we must embrace and enjoy learning "digital darkroom" techniques.
The above is my own personal opinion, take it for what it's worth. 2 cents??
 10/27/2003 07:18:37 PM · #15
I guess my fear is just that it would iondeed become a photoshop competition ... but that could easily be avoided.

I'd just want to avoid the complete digital art approach. For instance, there was a photo of some eyes posted recently, a nice shot, and the poster's friend had turned it into this absolutely amazing digital shot, from the original. It was absolutely fantastic, by 10% original photo, 90% photoshop.

Keep the focus on the photograph, but allow more editing to spruce it up, rather than change it entirely, and I'd be for it.

Alternately .... we tend to have 2 competitions running at any one time. What about expanding to a third where editing restrictions are lifted, just keep the challenge date rule maybe. That might be a way to make more people happy.
 10/27/2003 07:19:52 PM · #16
Adding grain is legal by the way :)
 10/27/2003 07:33:33 PM · #17
Originally posted by Konador:
Adding grain is legal by the way :)


Really? Cool!
Does that include use of something like "Grain Surgery" where you sample grain from your favorite film stock & use it as the basis for the characteristics of the added grain?
 10/27/2003 07:38:34 PM · #18
The way I see it is that you have to actually use the 'noise filter' in photoshop (or similar program). Here is what it says in the rules:

However, no effects filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian blur, the two of which are allowed.

That will let you choose from uniform/gaussian noise, colour/monochrome noise, and also let you choose how much. I don't think that sampling directly from another photo would be legal, but I'll bring it up in the Site Council forums and let you know.
 10/27/2003 07:41:51 PM · #19
Thanks Ben!
Take a peek at the Grain Surgery software to see what I'm talking about...

Grain Surgery
 10/27/2003 07:44:10 PM · #20
kirbic, I completely agree with your post on suggested editing features. I would not want this site to turn into a Photoshop site, but some more editing features would be great - like adjustment layers in different modes - that do much better job for example in increasing contrasts without blowing the hightlights or the shadows.

It would have been great if the rules portion clearly outlined what is allowed and what is not.

I don't think our photography skills would deacrease. Just the opposite, I think many of us would grow as digital photography artists.

How many times you look at beatiful scenery, but it is too clowdy or too sunny for great exposure. With more editing rules, you can still take beatiful shot and fix minor exposure problems. The way it is now, its very basic and limited and many times it does the photo more harm than good.
 10/28/2003 08:48:59 PM · #21
Do the site council know who made the request?
 10/28/2003 09:11:20 PM · #22
Yes, we see who made the request, and what reason they entered.
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