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11/30/2006 10:42:36 AM · #101 |
Mark
I quite agree with you. There are several photographers on here who are quite frankly average yet they manage to aquire being added as a favourite photographer. Nothing wrong with that, people making friends etc. BUT does this translate to them giving each other higher scores and lowering the competitions. Only recently we saw a "peoples favourite" kicked off the site for vote rigging. Hopefully the SC are tracking them
Also I look at the profiles of people moaning about trolls, what do I see - low Avg Vote Cast.
Originally posted by marksimms:
Oh for *u**s sake, who are we trying to kid here regarding popularity contests. Take a look at any Self-Portrait challenge, the popular DPC'ers will score highly on those with an average photo as the people are recognisable.
If you are popular & active on DPC,a regular poster to the forums, a user who feels they have to make a comment on every thread going... yup, they will get good votes regardless of image quality. Also, it seems a lot of the time people seem to know who's images are who's, even if the style is totally different. Weird that one.
I think a number of names spring to mind here.
Flame me if you want, but I posted last week regarding how the majority wants to be friends with the DPC jocks and they will comment on anything these `jocks` post in the forums, to raise their own profiles, and to be honest I regularly read these forums laughing at the patheticness of it all.
And to me, they are the biggest trolls of all.. |
Message edited by author 2006-11-30 11:30:55.
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11/30/2006 11:16:21 AM · #102 |
| I love getting extreme scores, 1s and 10s. It's those 4s and 5s that bum me out. |
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11/30/2006 11:29:12 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by silverscreen:
Originally posted by salmiakki:
I wonder if some of the perceived low voting can be attributed to cultural differences. There has been much discussion on many threads about the DPC voting following academic scores. Different parts of the world have different academic scoring and maybe this influences the way people vote.
In the UK, when I went to school, which admittedly is a long time ago, a C= 50% and was considered a pass, a B=60% and A=70% and above. This probably influences the way I vote to a certain extent - certainly it's not intentional to vote low, but it's also difficult not to think A, B, C, D using the old high school marking system.
Perhaps others have the same kind of influences. |
I never considered this before, but I believe you are right...
In Denmark the schools work with a scale from 00 to 13 - and the extreme lows (00-03) are rarely used (It would almost take a "no show" to get a 00) and neither are the extreme highs (11-13). I believe this is reflected in the way I rate here at DPC: I rarely use 1,2,9 or 10 and most of my ratings are in the 4-7 area... |
I've often thought that this must be the case here. In Argentina, where I grew up, we had a 0-10 scale. The bell was pretty even across the board (rare 10s, few 9s, more 8s and so on down to few 2s and rare 1s). When I moved to the USA and had children there, and they routinely came home with "A" marks across the board, I'd be shocked. I kept thinking, "There's something wrong with this system!" (the American system I mean). I got used to it eventually, but getting an "A" became rather meaningless. So I think cultural differences definitely influence how we vote. |
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11/30/2006 12:26:59 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by riversong:
Bear Music, I respect your opinion and only wish I was a professional like you. Your scoring seems perfect. Like what I was saying, I am too generous, but it works for me. Photography is more strict of a medium, than oil paints. I value your attitude for wanting to keep it pure.
Do I score too high? |
Not if you're satisfied with the way you score, and assuming you are consistent in how you score. That's all any of us can aspire to.
R. |
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11/30/2006 12:32:51 PM · #105 |
I think as well as just posting your voting average, we should also post the standard deviation of your average votes on each image.
Then we can really work out who the 'different thinkers' are. There they are, thinking they are special, not voting with the herd.
After that, we can really get the pitchforks and torches out and have a real old fashioned witch hunt.
I bet they wont be so smug in having their own opinions at the end of a ducking stool
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11/30/2006 12:35:25 PM · #106 |
Message edited by author 2006-11-30 12:35:48.
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11/30/2006 12:37:22 PM · #107 |
Was it Voltaire who said "I may not agree with the way you vote, but I will defend to the death your right to vote thus?"
:-)
R. |
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11/30/2006 12:46:45 PM · #108 |
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Attributed to Voltaire, the words are in fact S.G Tallentyre's summary of his attitude towards Helvétius following the burning of the latter's De l'esprit in 1759; in The Friends of Voltaire (1907) p. 199
All of which I extracted from The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, no less.
Which only goes to show.
(So basically, yes, Voltaire said something along those lines :))
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11/30/2006 12:47:24 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Was it Voltaire who said "I may not agree with the way you vote, but I will defend to the death your right to vote thus?"
:-)
R. |
I think it was Steve Davidson. Right before he disappeared. |
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11/30/2006 12:54:14 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by riversong:
Bear Music, I respect your opinion and only wish I was a professional like you. Your scoring seems perfect. Like what I was saying, I am too generous, but it works for me. Photography is more strict of a medium, than oil paints. I value your attitude for wanting to keep it pure.
Do I score too high? |
this worries me more than low scores...
Bear is an intelligent man, and I am sure he puts a great deal of thought into his scoring...and if he wanted to start a cult I am sure he could...
I am not trying to be mean when I say I think that it is very important that you think about how you want to vote, and don't worry too much about the methods of others...
the concept of this thread troubles me...someone worrying about the scores (and a gentle caring person no doubt)...there are far more important things to worry about...attaching your sense of self to your scores is an empty gesture...
I love when people take pride in being creative, but can't stand when an artist dedicates themselves to only 'pleasing' people...and yes this site is a popularity contest, and no there is nothing wrong with that...
unless you start believing that the scores dictate value...they are part of a game, nothing more... |
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11/30/2006 12:58:48 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by raish:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Attributed to Voltaire, the words are in fact S.G Tallentyre's summary of his attitude towards Helvétius following the burning of the latter's De l'esprit in 1759; in The Friends of Voltaire (1907) p. 199
All of which I extracted from The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, no less.
Which only goes to show.
(So basically, yes, Voltaire said something along those lines :)) |
I wondered if anyone was erudite enough to know this; it seemed pointless of me to do the correct attribution in this thread, since it's so commonly attributed to Voltaire. What he actually said, translated from a letter he wrote, is "Monsieur l'abbi, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write."
Nice catch :-)
R. |
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11/30/2006 01:02:06 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by bucket:
this worries me more than low scores...
Bear is an intelligent man, and I am sure he puts a great deal of thought into his scoring...and if he wanted to start a cult I am sure he could...
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To be fair, I did reply to her this morning that all that matters is this that SHE be satisfied with her voting.
As for this "cult" thing, any advice on how to start one? And is there any money in it?
R. |
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11/30/2006 01:04:57 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bucket:
this worries me more than low scores...
Bear is an intelligent man, and I am sure he puts a great deal of thought into his scoring...and if he wanted to start a cult I am sure he could...
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To be fair, I did reply to her this morning that all that matters is this that SHE be satisfied with her voting.
As for this "cult" thing, any advice on how to start one? And is there any money in it?
R. |
oh no...time for an intervention... |
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11/30/2006 01:06:31 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
As for this "cult" thing, any advice on how to start one? And is there any money in it?
R. |
Apparently
Back in the 1940's, L. Ron Hubbard was a member of the Los Angeles
Science Fantasy Society (when its old clubhouse was just north of
Wilshire Blvd). Ted vividly recalled being a few yards from Hubbard,
when he became testy with someone there and retorted, "Y'know, we're
all wasting our time writing this hack science fiction! You wanta
make _real_ money, you gotta start a _religion_!
Message edited by author 2006-11-30 13:09:08.
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11/30/2006 01:06:35 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
As for this "cult" thing, any advice on how to start one? And is there any money in it?
R. |
I think you're a little late: "The Bear Cult: The finding of stone altars and significant caches of bear bones at Drachenloch in Switzerland shows us that Neanderthal man revered the cave bear as Master of all Animals as far back as 70,000 years ago. In the Lascaux caves in France we find, dating from 17,000 BC, the headless model of a bear which for ceremonies was almost certainly draped in fur with a bear's head attached. The bear is therefore truly one of the primal totems, if not the primal one. Joseph Campbell goes so far as to suggest that the Bear Cult was older than shamanism by many centuries.
(...and it doesn't seem to be too good for the bear, either.) |
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11/30/2006 01:24:49 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
As for this "cult" thing, any advice on how to start one? And is there any money in it?
R. |
I think you're a little late: "The Bear Cult: The finding of stone altars and significant caches of bear bones at Drachenloch in Switzerland shows us that Neanderthal man revered the cave bear as Master of all Animals as far back as 70,000 years ago. In the Lascaux caves in France we find, dating from 17,000 BC, the headless model of a bear which for ceremonies was almost certainly draped in fur with a bear's head attached. The bear is therefore truly one of the primal totems, if not the primal one. Joseph Campbell goes so far as to suggest that the Bear Cult was older than shamanism by many centuries.
(...and it doesn't seem to be too good for the bear, either.) |
Heck, I'd do almost anything to be revered, but I think I draw the line at having my head impaled on a spike as a totem or any other such extreme displays. Scratch that idea. Soldier on, people :-)
R. |
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11/30/2006 01:26:58 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by mist:
Originally posted by idnic:
We all wish everyone would vote the way we vote... just doesn't happen that way. |
Not quite. I can't vote a 10 on my own image. ;) |
Maybe we should allow the photog to vote on his/her own image. That would at least bring some comfort in knowing you have at least one ten :-)
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11/30/2006 01:29:28 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by mist:
Originally posted by idnic:
We all wish everyone would vote the way we vote... just doesn't happen that way. |
Not quite. I can't vote a 10 on my own image. ;) |
Maybe we should allow the photog to vote on his/her own image. That would at least bring some comfort in knowing you have at least one ten :-) |
I donno about that; if you were an honest voter, imagine how bad you'd feel when you gave yourself a 4...
R. |
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11/30/2006 01:30:37 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by mist:
Originally posted by idnic:
We all wish everyone would vote the way we vote... just doesn't happen that way. |
Not quite. I can't vote a 10 on my own image. ;) |
Maybe we should allow the photog to vote on his/her own image. That would at least bring some comfort in knowing you have at least one ten :-) |
I donno about that; if you were an honest voter, imagine how bad you'd feel when you gave yourself a 4...
R. |
Cindi to her therapist: "I keep giving myself ones, god, I suck!"
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11/30/2006 02:27:37 PM · #120 |
| I was gonna say, in most cases I think I'd only give myself a 6 or a 7. Sometimes an 8 if I were feeling particularly generous. |
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11/30/2006 02:37:05 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bucket:
this worries me more than low scores...
Bear is an intelligent man, and I am sure he puts a great deal of thought into his scoring...and if he wanted to start a cult I am sure he could...
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To be fair, I did reply to her this morning that all that matters is this that SHE be satisfied with her voting.
As for this "cult" thing, any advice on how to start one? And is there any money in it?
R. |
Oh wow, I am wiser again as a result of this thread, thanks.
Yes, there's a whole stack of money in cults, but they sort of end in suicide, you know?
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11/30/2006 03:03:20 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by mist:
Originally posted by idnic:
We all wish everyone would vote the way we vote... just doesn't happen that way. |
Not quite. I can't vote a 10 on my own image. ;) |
Maybe we should allow the photog to vote on his/her own image. That would at least bring some comfort in knowing you have at least one ten :-) |
I donno about that; if you were an honest voter, imagine how bad you'd feel when you gave yourself a 4...
R. |
Would make me have to shoot more nudes, I always give nudes good scores... LOL
Or shoot protraits of Cindi... I give those good scores too...
Message edited by author 2006-11-30 15:04:02.
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11/30/2006 03:33:06 PM · #123 |
I notice how those who complain of all the supposed troll voting affects there scores aren't saying too much when the scrubber bumps there score up .01-.07 during rollover. .07 maybe alittle much but I have once had a jump around that much and it was during the purple challenge when there were mobs ready to burn the low voters. I don't want everyone's average to be the same, just consistency in one's voting. For every sub 4 or 5 average there is a plus 5 or 6 average, so what is everyone all worked up about? The one positive I have realized where my average is, which is close to the supposed norm, although some would say its alittle low and which would make me have slight troll tendencies I guess, is I can fairly consistently gauge how a shot will do, which to me is the only helpful thing about knowing my average score.
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11/30/2006 05:05:31 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
I notice how those who complain of all the supposed troll voting affects there scores aren't saying too much when the scrubber bumps there score up .01-.07 during rollover. |
Sorry to appear really dumb, can you explain what you mean by the scrubber? I've certainly noticed a difference between my score prior to rollover and just after. In the perspective challenge it was as much as .08 higher after rollover.
Thanks |
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11/30/2006 05:07:45 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by jdannels:
I notice how those who complain of all the supposed troll voting affects there scores aren't saying too much when the scrubber bumps there score up .01-.07 during rollover. |
Sorry to appear really dumb, can you explain what you mean by the scrubber? I've certainly noticed a difference between my score prior to rollover and just after. In the perspective challenge it was as much as .08 higher after rollover.
Thanks |
The scrubber goes through and drops votes of voters that didn't make the 20% requirement and also drops votes of voters with suspicious voting patterns.
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