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11/30/2006 12:35:37 AM · #51

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by stdavidson:
... It is the effect of getting low votes on your own submissions. If yours get voted low, you vote others low.

... And this comment ladies and gentlemen would fall within the realm of a "Quantum Leap".

Before making sweeping generalizations, it would prove prudent to proffer at least some semblance of evidence of these nefarious undertakings.

Admittedly mine is just an unproved hypothesis, but since you asked would noting that most DPC voters give scores within one point of the scores they recieve from others would constitute evidence to "proffer at least some semblance of evidence of these nefarious undertakings"?

I could quantify but do I really need to? You can easily see that for yourself. Besides, would you believe me if I did or would you claim that it is not a "semblance of evidence"?

11/30/2006 12:40:12 AM · #52

Avg Vote Cast: 6.6237

I try to be fair, unbiased and mature.

peaceout

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11/30/2006 12:41:45 AM · #53

Originally posted by riversong:

Challenges Entered: 36
Votes Cast: 2753

Avg Vote Cast: 6.6237

Votes Received: 8403
Avg Vote Received: 5.0176
Comments:
Made: 441

I'd say I fall in the 'nice-non-troll' group.

I'd say you are unusual and fall into these categories: 1-Closer to correct for "score given". 2-Shunned by voters in "score received".

In "score given" you are a far cry better than me.

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11/30/2006 12:43:41 AM · #54

There's a "correct" score given?! Well shit, why doesn't one person just give it and save us all this mess? Or have I just been missing the memo informing me of my proper opinion?

11/30/2006 12:46:15 AM · #55

In "score given" you are a far cry better than me.

I try to be fair and maybe I'm too lenient, but it works for me!!

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/30/2006 12:46:38 AM · #56

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Originally posted by persimon:
I must be the antithesis of the common troll. My average vote is 7.5001.

A 7.5 is 75% of a "good" (by site definition) score. That would be a middle "C" rating in the world of education. It would seem reasonable that the average DPC image would score at middle "C" level.

In pure numerical terms you are probably scoring about right.

That "good" is not a "site definition", it's just a directional marker; they have bad on one side and good on the other. I'd personally prefer to see "worse" and "better" or something like that.

You can't use academic grading profiles like "75% = C+" in a place like this; that kind of grading only applies in cases where there are right and wrong answers, and that's emphatically not what we are dealing with here. Instead we are dealing with peoples' own, aesthetic values and the scores are going to be all over the map. That's why it's so difficult to get into the 7's, let alone the 8's.

I'm a tough voter myself; my average vote cast is just over 5.0, and I believe that's right where it ought to be. I have high standards when it comes to judging photography, but I apply them consistently. Incidentally, I almost never give a vote lower than 4.

R.

11/30/2006 12:51:10 AM · #57

You are cheating yourself if you give out low scores to boost your image. I hope people don't do this, but if your image is good, then it's good! If it's bad, it's bad....like my horizontal image is struggling below a 5.00. This makes me sad but not vengeful!

11/30/2006 12:51:21 AM · #58

Originally posted by mk:

There's a "correct" score given?! Well shit, why doesn't one person just give it and save us all this mess? Or have I just been missing the memo informing me of my proper opinion?

.......words escape me... too funny. :o)

Ray

11/30/2006 12:58:27 AM · #59

Ya know what the great thing is, whatever score I give a photo is the "correct" score.

If I choose to give everyone a one, that's MY vote. Who the Hell are you people to tell me I'm wrong?

11/30/2006 01:00:36 AM · #60

Bear Music, I respect your opinion and only wish I was a professional like you. Your scoring seems perfect. Like what I was saying, I am too generous, but it works for me. Photography is more strict of a medium, than oil paints. I value your attitude for wanting to keep it pure.

Do I score too high?

Message edited by author 2006-11-30 01:11:20.

crayon

11/30/2006 01:07:36 AM · #61

who else thinks that the "average vote cast" on our profile should be hidden to all but ourselves?

11/30/2006 01:09:12 AM · #62

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Ya know what the great thing is, whatever score I give a photo is the "correct" score.

If I choose to give everyone a one, that's MY vote. Who the Hell are you people to tell me I'm wrong?

... If you were part of a precision drill troop, and all the others had a different cadence than you did... would you consider yourself to be the only one in step???

Just curious.

Ray

11/30/2006 01:10:14 AM · #63

Originally posted by crayon:

who else thinks that the "average vote cast" on our profile should be hidden to all but ourselves?

Who cares?

Are you afraid that if your average vote is "too low" that you will be ostracized?

11/30/2006 01:17:56 AM · #64

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Ya know what the great thing is, whatever score I give a photo is the "correct" score.

If I choose to give everyone a one, that's MY vote. Who the Hell are you people to tell me I'm wrong?

... If you were part of a precision drill troop, and all the others had a different cadence than you did... would you consider yourself to be the only one in step???

Just curious.

Ray

This is not a precision drill troop. What does that have to do with voting anyway? It's irrelevant.

A precision drill troop is a group undertaking. Voting on images is a expression of individual opinion. Are you suggestiing that voting should be done in teams? Should the teams all get together and discuss images, then vote? I think the SC would take a very dim view of such things.

crayon

11/30/2006 01:21:13 AM · #65

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by crayon:
who else thinks that the "average vote cast" on our profile should be hidden to all but ourselves?

Who cares?
Are you afraid that if your average vote is "too low" that you will be ostracized?

It's like what you said, whatever vote we put is correct because it our own vote/opinion. So what purpose does that particular stat serves?

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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/30/2006 01:23:48 AM · #66

Originally posted by riversong:

Originally posted by stdavidson:
In "score given" you are a far cry better than me.

I try to be fair and maybe I'm too lenient, but it works for me!!

In my opinion, you are not lenient.

DPC is the only place I know where the commonly accepted numericals are this harsh yet are called fair, then people go on to incessently complain about low scoring voters (even inventing the term "troll" to describe them) yet simultaneously will justify their own low voting evaluations with inconsistent logic and then are quick to point out that they are never the much-discussed "troll" because they don't vote THAT low.

My own voting embarrassment is that I evaluated like everyone else for so long.

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11/30/2006 01:23:48 AM · #67

Originally posted by crayon:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Originally posted by crayon:
who else thinks that the "average vote cast" on our profile should be hidden to all but ourselves?

Who cares?
Are you afraid that if your average vote is "too low" that you will be ostracized?

It's like what you said, whatever vote we put is correct because it our own vote/opinion. So what purpose does that particular stat serves?

Well, based on this discussion, it lets people know if you're an evil troll, or a big fluffy cuddlebear.

Message edited by author 2006-11-30 01:25:57.

fotomann_forever

11/30/2006 01:24:22 AM · #68

Originally posted by crayon:

I agree... it does serve as a tool for prejudice.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

11/30/2006 01:24:50 AM · #69

I know i have said this in these forums before, but I'll add it here again:

Scores are irrelevant. The finishing order is the only important stat.

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11/30/2006 01:30:19 AM · #70

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

This is not a precision drill troop. What does that have to do with voting anyway? It's irrelevant.

The point I was trying to make, (which was obviously lost on you), was that while your decision to give everyone a one is indeed your unalienable right, such a decision shouldn't be construed as being RIGHT.

By all means, vote all the ones you like, but the "Correctness" of such a decision is questionable. Just because you view your actions as being correct does not make them so.

Stated succinctly... the point I was making is that your views in this regard are somewhat skewed and "out of step".

Ray

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

11/30/2006 01:32:02 AM · #71

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

This is not a precision drill troop. What does that have to do with voting anyway? It's irrelevant.

The point I was trying to make, (which was obviously lost on you), was that while your decision to give everyone a one is indeed your unalienable right, such a decision shouldn't be construed as being RIGHT.

By all means, vote all the ones you like, but the "Correctness" of such a decision is questionable. Just because you view your actions as being correct does not make them so.

Stated succinctly... the point I was making is that your views in this regard are somewhat skewed and "out of step".

Ray

That is just absurd. Can you not read?

fotomann_forever

11/30/2006 01:35:49 AM · #72

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I know i have said this in these forums before, but I'll add it here again:

Scores are irrelevant. The finishing order is the only important stat.

I don't know if I agree, I like to compete against my self and see if I can pull off a top score...

Seems (as in I really can't back this up until voting is over) this week voters have been harsher on images across the board... so, if voters are inconsistent, how do I know where I stand?

I do wonder also if some of the nicer voters are taking a break and leaving only the "meaner" voters. :-)

11/30/2006 01:36:51 AM · #73

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

That is just absurd. Can you not read?

Yes, quite well thank you... and in more than one language.

Ray

crayon