Among MANY other reasons, I off er the following voting on a recent (black & white III)challenge:
Blue ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 3
two votes of 4
Red ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 2
two votes of 3
four votes of 4
Yellow ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 3
four votes of 4
If you look at the winning photo comments, someone thought they entered a 10 for the photo, but it came out as a 1 - a glitch, an honest mistake, etc. That person stepped up and said that they were the '1'. Therefore, the troll blame game is not in order here.
Well, it's a perpetual topic, as MK so wittily has indicated.
But I'd gently point out, as one mitigating factor, that the top two places in this challenge are highly-processed, HDR-looking images, and some people just don't like those as a matter of principle. I'm not surprised to see those getting some low votes. Then the third place image has a LOT of grain/noise, which certainly was an artistic choice, but plenty of people think "noise" is always a flaw, so there you have it... IMO anyway.
Nobody should have to defend their taste. Nobody should have to put up with being labeled a troll because they vote their personal aesthetic. Live with it.
LOL @ mk!
To the OP: the troll debate will rage on no matter how many times it's beat to death. Bottom line, I don't think anyone will try argue that there are *no* troll votes, ever. There are, however, *very* few, and so they make no discernable difference in challenge outcomes. This can be supported by statistics... and yes, I've done the statistics.
We are constantly looking at ways to bring additional tools to our arsenal to dig out voting irregularities, and address them as need be.
Among MANY other reasons, I off er the following voting on a recent (black & white III)challenge:
Blue ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 3
two votes of 4
Red ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 2
two votes of 3
four votes of 4
Yellow ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 3
four votes of 4
Ya man, I got trolled-out more than the other two ribbon winners. It's a conspiracy against Canada! A conspiracy I tell you!!! ;-)
Wow... threads like this make this site pathetic. I would love it if it was not for all the bashing going around. Why don't you guys see that this issue has been debated to death last week (again!) and leave it be??? This is getting freaking retarded. I find it stupid that if someone REALLY hates a photo and gives it a 1 he gets called a troll. What about freedom of speech and expression for them as well?
I don't think statistics is the right approach. For example, in a challenge I saw only the first vote I received then shut down for the night. It was an 8. When I awoke my entry had 42 votes and a score of 4.12. Then, with 200+ votes the score had climbed to 5.76 and had moved up, not fluctuated, consistently the whole week. The conclusion: it depends on where in the vote count the trolls vote. If early on, the lower votes have a larger effect. If later on not as much. If the 'trolls' hadn't voted the entry so low to begin with, it would not have had such a hard time climbing back up and I dare say if it wasn't voted low in the first six hours of voting it would have been over a six. Troll votes DO have an effect if they vote when an individual vote carries more weight. All the comments on the image also stated that it is an excellent shot...if it is that good it should be higher than 5.76.
I don't think statistics is the right approach. For example, in a challenge I saw only the first vote I received then shut down for the night. It was an 8. When I awoke my entry had 42 votes and a score of 4.12. Then, with 200+ votes the score had climbed to 5.76 and had moved up, not fluctuated, consistently the whole week. The conclusion: it depends on where in the vote count the trolls vote. If early on, the lower votes have a larger effect. If later on not as much. If the 'trolls' hadn't voted the entry so low to begin with, it would not have had such a hard time climbing back up and I dare say if it wasn't voted low in the first six hours of voting it would have been over a six. Troll votes DO have an effect if they vote when an individual vote carries more weight. All the comments on the image also stated that it is an excellent shot...if it is that good it should be higher than 5.76.
Huh? If I had 100 votes of 2 and 100 votes of 10, that would be 1,200 points. Divided by 200, that would be a 6 average. It would make no difference to my average if the 100 2 votes came in at the beginning or at the end. As for the comments, typically most of my comments come from people who LIKE my image a lot; if ribbons were decided by scoring the comments, not the votes, I'd be doing a whole lot better :-)
"Larger effect" is correct but not in the mathematical sense. Seeing the low votes early on has a "larger effect" on one's perception of there being trolls not the overall score.
Wow... threads like this make this site pathetic. I would love it if it was not for all the bashing going around. Why don't you guys see that this issue has been debated to death last week (again!) and leave it be??? This is getting freaking retarded. I find it stupid that if someone REALLY hates a photo and gives it a 1 he gets called a troll. What about freedom of speech and expression for them as well?
Please PM me your address. I will be over straight away to give you a massage, because if you've only been reading these forums for a month and already feel this strongly about re-hashed troll discussions, I'm afraid you'll have a heart attack before the new year. ;-)
Personally, I'm all about re-hashed discussions. It helps that I'm senile, so every discussion seems shiny and new to me.
Among MANY other reasons, I off er the following voting on a recent (black & white III)challenge:
Blue ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 3
two votes of 4
Red ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 2
two votes of 3
four votes of 4
Yellow ribbon winner- one vote of 1
one vote of 3
four votes of 4
I have no problems admitting that I'm the 3 voter on the blue ribbon, and I don't consider myself a troll - I just don't like the picture and voted accordingly.
Wow... threads like this make this site pathetic. I would love it if it was not for all the bashing going around. Why don't you guys see that this issue has been debated to death last week (again!) and leave it be??? This is getting freaking retarded. I find it stupid that if someone REALLY hates a photo and gives it a 1 he gets called a troll. What about freedom of speech and expression for them as well?
Relax, most of it is tongue in cheek. In your 5 weeks of experiece and 1 challenge entered you should have this depth of knowledge by now.
Usually people figure everything out in the first week. Try harder to keep up! ;-)
I have no problems admitting that I'm the 3 voter on the blue ribbon, and I don't consider myself a troll - I just don't like the picture and voted accordingly.
well... if voting a 3 on an image makes you a troll, then was does that make me? i voted a null. if you look at my voting statistics and the lenght of time i've been registered, you'll see that i typically vote null.
