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11/28/2006 07:52:14 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by mk:
Here's an idea. How about, since we like to constantly refer to this as a learning site, we start learning to accept that there are going to be people in the world that just don't like our work. Even when it's technically perfect and 250 other people and our own mother love it, there just might be someone who doesn't. And let's learn that that's okay. Let's not be yelling out one side of our mouths how unaccepting of "out of the box" work this site is and then immediately condemn anyone who doesn't vote exactly as we would out the other. And let's learn that it's not necessary to refer to anyone who doesn't like our work as a troll, just like it's not necessary to refer to anyone who is always whining about the scores they don't like as a baby. It seems to me, that would be a much more valuable life lesson than padding ourselves into a comfortable little spot where we can convince ourselves that the only possible reason someone could dislike our work is their evil, evil intents.
If you get a 1 (or a 2 or 3 which have also apparently become "troll votes"), just figure the voter didn't like it. If you got a comment, feel extra grateful. If you got 350 votes of 8 and above, you're likely not going to pay attention to the opinion of that single 1 voter anyway so you don't really need their comments. If you got a million ones, figure your picture really sucked and take a look at the ones that didn't and figure out what you're doing wrong. If you really don't get it, start a thread. Either way, let's quit whining about votes we don't like, eh? It's getting super old, it's poor form and it's just making it a hassle for people who actually took the time and effort to vote/comment on your image. Let's not arrange the site to further coddle people who can't accept negative feedback. |
Good point about coddling and whining, but sometimes a low vote does not tell the peson what is wrong. If you score is 3.6 or 7.6 it's probably obvious what is right or wrong with it. But it's the middle scores that lack many comments and get plenty of low and high votes.
Negative feedback is fine by me as long as it's constructive. But many of us submit what we think is a great picture and find out the voters don't like it, and we don't know why. If I knew what was wrong with a picture beforehand I might not submit it. That's where comments help.
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11/28/2006 08:23:07 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by riversong:
It can't be that hard to make a comment or two about a bad photo, such as, "blown-out lighting, no subject matter, OOF, wrong composition, too close, take a class, ugly subject, bad cropping, over saturated!!"
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Actually those are the ones I find most difficult to comment on.
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11/28/2006 08:48:13 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I didn't realize this. Just a minor annoyance then. :-) |
Hmmmm, this seems to show that there aren't many people posting here who vote below 3.
Til I read e301's post I didn't realize there were any who voted mostly 3 or under. I thought everybody talked about trolls as a fun joke. I'll certainly take the term out of my lexicon here.
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11/28/2006 10:55:55 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
I'm voting on the last challenge available. Just gave out my first score 3 or less. I decided to comment on any image I give a low score to. A pop up window came up and reminded me to comment....GREAT ADDITION TO THE SITE!!!!....I must of missed the change....Great job guys. |
I think it's a bad addition to the site if it causes anyone to vote higher than they normally would.
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11/29/2006 12:22:28 AM · #55 |
| Here's another negative opinion about the annoying pop-up. Please have some faith in the voters: they probably know what they want to do when they vote 3 or lover. I vote 3 and lower very often with the voting system that I use. |
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11/29/2006 12:32:22 AM · #56 |
again, just to reiterate. It will come up exactly *once* in voting, and it is just a reminder. Click and move on. Adds maybe a second to that one picture.
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11/29/2006 10:28:28 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by karmat:
again, just to reiterate. It will come up exactly *once* in voting, and it is just a reminder. Click and move on. Adds maybe a second to that one picture. |
It is not about a wasted second. This pop-up sort of tells the people that they are doing the wrong thing by voting 3 or below.
Imagine that every time you'd come into a department store you'd have to receive a flier that would read "Remember - stealing is wrong!". I would be annoyed by this and, likely, stop going to that store. Maybe not the best of analogies, but it demonstrates the annoyance factor of this pop-up. |
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11/29/2006 10:31:31 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
This pop-up sort of tells the people that they are doing the wrong thing by voting 3 or below.
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... and if voting 3 and below is wrong maybe those numbers should just be removed. ;o) |
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11/29/2006 11:18:00 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by agenkin:
It is not about a wasted second. This pop-up sort of tells the people that they are doing the wrong thing by voting 3 or below.
Imagine that every time you'd come into a department store you'd have to receive a flier that would read "Remember - stealing is wrong!". I would be annoyed by this and, likely, stop going to that store. Maybe not the best of analogies, but it demonstrates the annoyance factor of this pop-up. |
I haven't seen the popup yet, but does it "sort of tell" people that the low vote is wrong, or explicitly suggest to leave a comment?
I wonder if people don't want to leave comments on low votes because of loss of anonyminity? I can certainly understand not wanting to get a nasy PM by somebody who thought you shouldn't score low.
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12/01/2006 06:13:04 PM · #60 |
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12/01/2006 06:14:42 PM · #61 |
It comes up like 1 time. How annoying can that ever really be?
Probably less annoying as getting a 1, 2 or 3 without any comments. |
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12/01/2006 06:53:18 PM · #62 |
I feel like it affects the next image in the line, though. Then the first thing you see of the image after your sub-3 vote is a popup box. Incredibly distracting. I stopped voting so much on challenges a while ago just because of all of the mudslinging that results from people whining about getting a few low votes that they didn't like. I vote things low that I honestly don't think are good photographs, and I vote things high that I honestly think are good ones. I leave comments if I have the time or energy to come up with some actual, thoughtful words, which hasn't happened much recently.
I don't feel the need to justify why I am giving a sub-3 vote. Pestering me to just makes me want to give up voting altogther...I don't want to artificially inflate my votes to avoid the popup, either, but now that I'm conscious of getting slapped with a popup, if I was on the borderline of a 3 or a 4 I'd lean to the 4 just so I don't have to deal with it.
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12/01/2006 06:57:01 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by modgethanc:
but now that I'm conscious of getting slapped with a popup, if I was on the borderline of a 3 or a 4 I'd lean to the 4 just so I don't have to deal with it. |
Slapped? It happens once. If you don't like it the first time you vote on a challenge, whatever the image, vote 1. You'll get the popup, you can dismiss it, then change the vote to whatever you want and keep voting as usual. You won't get another popup and won't have to "worry" about it. |
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12/01/2006 07:09:14 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by modgethanc:
but now that I'm conscious of getting slapped with a popup, if I was on the borderline of a 3 or a 4 I'd lean to the 4 just so I don't have to deal with it. |
Slapped? It happens once. If you don't like it the first time you vote on a challenge, whatever the image, vote 1. You'll get the popup, you can dismiss it, then change the vote to whatever you want and keep voting as usual. You won't get another popup and won't have to "worry" about it. |
The fact that I need to take steps outside of what I usually have to to circumvent this issue also annoys me a little :)
Even seeing it once is enough of a distraction to turn me away. I just think that while this might encourage some commenting on low votes, it's going to chase away more people, you know?
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12/01/2006 07:20:02 PM · #65 |
Just curious; what is everyone doing when they see the pop-up?
1) already commented on the sub-4 photo so dismiss the pop-up and continue voting.
2) didn't comment, dismiss and continue voting.
3) go back, comment and continue voting.
4) go back and change vote to 4 or above and continue voting.
5) stop voting and come post in this forum thread. :P
David
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12/01/2006 07:22:26 PM · #66 |
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12/01/2006 07:24:25 PM · #67 |
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12/01/2006 07:30:04 PM · #68 |
| I have a question. Why wasn't this change listed under "Administrator Announcements" before the start of this thread??? |
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12/01/2006 08:38:39 PM · #69 |
You know by not commenting on 3̢۪s or less it just reinforces that during any given challenge this site is no longer a learning site, but a competition. Not sure if this is good or bad. Lots good stuff on threads and tutorials.
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12/01/2006 08:41:16 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
You know by not commenting on 3̢۪s or less it just reinforces that during any given challenge this site is no longer a learning site, but a competition. |
"dpchallenge a digital photography contest" |
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12/01/2006 10:02:59 PM · #71 |
So why have comments at all....Just to say "Nice Shot" or "Congrats". Just let the scores tell it all....hmmmmm
"dpchallenge a digital photography contest"
Message edited by author 2006-12-01 22:04:09. |
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12/01/2006 10:09:52 PM · #72 |
It's sorta like voting against popular opinion and before you leave the polling booth a flag pops up and asks "Please leave a comment on why you felt the need to vote this way, stupid"
Sorry...I am a bad man :-( Semi-Thread Jack over. |
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12/01/2006 10:19:35 PM · #73 |
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12/01/2006 10:45:54 PM · #74 |
I voted 100% on the Diagonal Challenge, with 15% comments. I gave 4 "9's", a few "8's" and quite a few "3 and unders." My most frequent comment had to do with artificial tilting of the camera to create a diagonal. It's the quintessential Newbie's artistic attempt. For everyone of those low scores, I wrote a comment. Obscurity of the theme's execution is another issue for me, so I rank low and say why. Sharing the Why's should be a learning tool for the recipient. Unfortunately, you have those people who act as though a negative comment on their "Work of Art" means you don't know what you're talking about. Darned discouraging and time-consuming. Btw, when I got to the 80% mark or so, a few 3's turned into 4's (if on the cusp), because I was getting tired of writing "Tilt" for the umpteenth time.
Message edited by author 2006-12-01 22:46:38. |
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12/01/2006 11:18:33 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Kathy:
... Btw, when I got to the 80% mark or so, a few 3's turned into 4's (if on the cusp), because I was getting tired of writing "Tilt" for the umpteenth time. |
It's not "mandatory" to leave a comment on any challenge entry, regardless of what score you give it. It's nice to do, sure, but if time is an issue or you're getting tired of commenting, you can vote and come back later to comment if you still feel obligated to do so. |
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