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10/31/2006 12:27:44 AM · #26 |
I would get the core2duo mac book pro.
Runs both mac os and windows if need be.
Fastest processors on the market atm. The use of unregistered ram makes them better performers then the Xeons.
Looks good, light, well-built and good support.
Ati 1600pro graphics is enough for most current games easily.
They are somewhat lighter then most desktop replacements. |
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10/31/2006 01:13:47 AM · #27 |
You should be able to pick a decent PC laptop pretty reasonably between now and Jan. I think manufacturers will be trying hard to get rid of all the PC's that are not Vista capable. Then again if Vista capable is important to you, then you might not get such a good deal. I'm gonna wait til sometime between Thanksgiving and X-mas to purchase one. I think the price will drop significantly as vendors make room for the new PC's that are Vista capable. Those are my intentions and thoughts anyway.
Windows Vista
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10/31/2006 03:18:01 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Sinky:
Purplefire, I thought there was an issue with CS2, that it ran slowly on bootcamp, or rosetta, or whatever one uses. I'm pleased to hear it's not an issue for you. How do you run it.........bootcamp? |
I use CS2 in Mac OSX, on an Intel Core Duo iMac as well as my G4 iBook.
No issues, what so ever.
I've never used and have no reason to use BootCamp.
If you want to use Bootcamp to run XP so you can run CS2 for XP, then that's something I've not done and couldn't comment.
Hope that helps.
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10/31/2006 04:24:45 AM · #29 |
| Powerbook. Even though I have never owned an Apple. |
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10/31/2006 04:32:32 AM · #30 |
| I think a lot of manufacturers are going to be giving out "free upgrade to vista" coupons with PCs being sold at the moment, to avoid people waiting and having sales slump pre-vista. Most PCs (especially high end models) that are on sale now will run vista without issue, the only sticking point will be that specific Direct-X 10 cards will be more common in a few months time. |
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10/31/2006 05:25:08 AM · #31 |
Rossetta translates the machine code for the PowerPC G5 chip to the Intel chip in the new Macs. This translation is slower then running the native version of photoshop under windows for instance which is compiled for intel from the get go.
Rossetta is seamless though so you shouldn't have to do anything, it just works (albeit slower). Given the speed of the core2duo this would still be reasonable. Parallels also offers a tool that allows you to run windows in a window on you mac, and at full speed!
Vista really hasn't got me enthused. Its slow. Heavy system requirements. And not much to offer apart from being backwards compatible with other windows software. Has a flash 3d-accelerated gui, but the mac has had that for years.
Boot camp is a set of tools that let you install windows as another operating system so you can choose on your mac.
I have only owned PC's. But are now seriously contemplating/planning my migration to Apple. |
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12/07/2006 02:08:48 PM · #32 |
| Do NOT order an AlienWare system. I just bought one (two weeks ago) and just paid their stupid restocking fee (15% of the cost of the system and shipping and taxes AND return shipping). The systems have major heat issues. I resell HP and see a lot of DELLs. I wanted something high end that would look cool. The system would run for 10-15 min. before shutting down without warning. They told me that the heatsink was defective and that the fan wasn't turning on. I know the fan was on since I could feel the (extremely hot) air rushing out of the noisy fan at the back. They have great and immediate on-site support. That would be you with a screw driver. Excellent self serve. They may not be all bad, but stay away from the Alienware M5550. Perhaps the next model will be ok, this one is a cheap ill designed model from a tier 2 company in Taiwan. BTW: The benchmarks they ran to test my system (they send you the test results) was an amazing 4 FPS. The 4-8 FPS blew me away. Sure looked great running pac-man in a DOS window. 3DMark06 gave me a score that was off the charts (on the low end). Enough said. I'm not saying this to be mean, just to save you from having problems. -Dave. |
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12/07/2006 02:52:18 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Patmania:
Rossetta translates the machine code for the PowerPC G5 chip to the Intel chip in the new Macs. This translation is slower then running the native version of photoshop under windows for instance which is compiled for intel from the get go.
Rossetta is seamless though so you shouldn't have to do anything, it just works (albeit slower). Given the speed of the core2duo this would still be reasonable. Parallels also offers a tool that allows you to run windows in a window on you mac, and at full speed! |
well, about 75% of full speed, but it isn't like anyone needs speed for photoshop so that's okay, right ?
Otherwise, you can always reboot the laptop every time you want to edit a picture efficiently, that's another fine solution right there. Particularly if you enjoy windows with beta drivers, don't want to use wireless peripherals and don't mind the trackpad not working properly.
Sheesh. The people trying to sell product for apple would do a lot better if they were at least remotely sane in their evaluation of the pros and cons of the system.
Message edited by author 2006-12-07 14:53:10.
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12/07/2006 03:05:02 PM · #34 |
If I could choose a laptop and if money was no object!!!!!!
This would be it
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12/07/2006 03:11:53 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Patmania:
Rossetta translates the machine code for the PowerPC G5 chip to the Intel chip in the new Macs.... |
Some clarification here...
Rosetta translates the code for old Mac software to run on new Intel-based Macs. There is a speed penalty, but the Core2Duo processor is so much faster than the old G4 laptops (and Pentiums, for that matter) that the current Mac version of Photoshop still runs as fast or faster than it did on PowerBooks. Think of it as running a Lambourghini on only 10 cylinders for a few months until the native version is available (due sometime around March).
Since you're running PC software, though, Rosetta is a non-issue. The PC version of Photoshop CS2 running under Windows on a Mac will outrun PCs with similar specs. Parallels will allow you to run Windows and Mac software at the same time, but performance will suffer. Crossover software allows you to launch PC software and run it natively within Mac OS X (without Windows), but the current version doesn't work with Photoshop CS2 (they're working on it).
So why get a Mac? Well, aside from the Photoshop caveats mentioned above, OS X software rocks. The OS itself is like Windows Vista 2.1. Aperture is awesome for working with RAW files, and iPhoto ain't too shabby either. Even if you've never had a PC virus, worm or spyware, you'll have less reason to look over your shoulder on a Mac.
The hardware benfits from incredible attention to detail. If you accidentally trip over your laptop's power cord, it will simply pop out (it's magnetic) rather than launch your computer across the room. If the room lighting dims, the keyboard on a MacBook pro will gradually backlight itself to compensate so you can keep working. If you enter a WiFi environment, the MacBook will detect it and connect automatically- no archaic hex codes required. Want a bigger monitor? The MacBook Pro will drive a 30" LCD... something few PCs can manage. The list goes on, but you get the idea... and the kicker? High-end Mac computers are often cheaper than identically-configured PCs. :-)
Message edited by author 2006-12-07 15:25:46. |
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12/07/2006 03:18:26 PM · #36 |
| Don't know if someone suggested this but I would buy the Acer Ferrari 5000 |
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12/07/2006 03:22:34 PM · #37 |
Um... only you can see your shopping cart, Ryan. It's empty for the rest of us. :-/ |
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12/07/2006 03:30:54 PM · #38 |
Probably would have to go with the alienware if money was no object. Nothing that I've seen can touch it.
aurora
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12/07/2006 03:39:50 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Quickshutter:
Probably would have to go with the alienware if money was no object. Nothing that I've seen can touch it.
aurora |
Ye gods, man... a 19" monitor and 15lbs is still considered a laptop? :-O |
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12/07/2006 03:44:03 PM · #40 |
| macbook pro, no doubt about it! |
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12/07/2006 03:44:41 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Ye gods, man... a 19" monitor and 15lbs is still considered a laptop? :-O |
Well, I suppose the weight isn't that big a deal if you aren't supposed to put it on your lap because of the risk of skin burns.
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12/07/2006 04:43:13 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Um... only you can see your shopping cart, Ryan. It's empty for the rest of us. :-/ |
duh...lol.... sorry about that
well here are the specs
MacBook Pro, 17-inch, 2.33GHz
Part Number: Z0DR
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 1x2GB, 1x1GB
SuperDrive 8x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Accessory Kit
MacBook Pro 17-inch Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 4200 rpm
price is $3,474.00
Message edited by author 2006-12-07 16:43:40.
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12/07/2006 04:46:31 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Sheesh. The people trying to sell product for apple would do a lot better if they were at least remotely sane in their evaluation of the pros and cons of the system. |
What are you talking about? There are no cons.
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12/07/2006 04:54:09 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by mk:
What are you talking about? There are no cons. |
Thanks for clearing that up. I'll trade my desktop in for something slower, right away then.
Message edited by author 2006-12-07 16:55:20.
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12/07/2006 05:06:41 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'll trade my desktop in for something slower, right away then. |
Dude, if you run Windows on a Mac then you have no argument. It's faster in Photoshop than an equally-configured PC, it's probably cheaper than the PC, and you at least have the option of running OS X for things like iPhoto, Aperture or an Intel-native version of Photoshop a few months from now.
If going for a Mac is trading your desktop for something slower (and then only in games and one version of Photoshop), then going for a PC would be trading my Mac for something more expensive, slower in everything else (including future versions of Photoshop), and more prone to bugs and viruses. Hmm... |
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12/07/2006 05:10:05 PM · #46 |
No doubt in my mind... 15" MacBook Pro. Of course if would be the faster of the two options available and I would max out the memory if money was no object. I tend to keep by photos on an external drive anyway, so the 120 or 160 Gig hard drives would be fine.
As to the issue with Photoshop not being native on the new intel processor... it's definitely an annoyance. The move to Aperature would speed up my overall workflow and I would endure the hit to photoshop until their next version is released. I doubt that it's too far off because they usually like to hit me for a nice update charge about once every 18 months anyway.
Just my opinion. |
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12/07/2006 05:20:34 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Gordon:
I'll trade my desktop in for something slower, right away then. |
Dude, if you run Windows on a Mac then you have no argument. It's faster in Photoshop than an equally-configured PC, it's probably cheaper than the PC, and you at least have the option of running OS X for things like iPhoto, Aperture or an Intel-native version of Photoshop a few months from now.
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have you actually ran bootcamp at all ? Just curious.
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12/07/2006 05:36:04 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
have you actually ran bootcamp at all? |
No, I haven't. My MacBook won't arrive for another week, and I have no reason to run Windows. Plenty of others have, though.
Admittedly, that report is from April. MacWorld reports that the new Core 2 Duo MacBook Pros now run Photoshop faster in Rosetta than the fastest Powerbook did before it. So while the MacBook is not nearly as fast in PS as it will be when an Intel-native version arrives, it's not exactly crawling either. |
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12/07/2006 05:41:50 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Since you're running PC software, though, Rosetta is a non-issue.
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as long as you don't mind rebooting your laptop every time you want to open a file in photoshop, or use a OS X ap. Also you'll need to add $200 to the price of your laptop for a new XP license. Weird way to define 'non-issue' but there you go.
Originally posted by scalvert:
Crossover software allows you to launch PC software and run it natively within Mac OS X (without Windows), but the current version doesn't work with Photoshop CS2 (they're working on it).
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it works badly with all previous versions. Last ETA from the developers on CS2 support (last month) was 'months from now, but we have no idea how many months'
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12/07/2006 05:43:05 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Gordon:
have you actually ran bootcamp at all? |
No, I haven't. My MacBook won't arrive for another week, and I have no reason to run Windows. Plenty of others have, though.
Admittedly, that report is from April. MacWorld reports that the new Core 2 Duo MacBook Pros now run Photoshop faster in Rosetta than the fastest Powerbook did before it. So while the MacBook is not nearly as fast in PS as it will be when an Intel-native version arrives, it's not exactly crawling either. |
My main issues with bootcamp is having to spend another $200 on a new XP install CD (must be non-upgrade, must be the SP2 install). After I've spent that money I get to boot a laptop with semi-functional, non-supported beta drivers. It doesn't seem a very compelling comparison, to say an actual windows laptop, with supported drivers. Given that it is mac owners that are suggesting running XP if you want good performance, why bother getting a mac, instead of a decent, supported laptop ?
It isn't something I'd call a 'non-issue' anyway.
Message edited by author 2006-12-07 17:49:16.
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