Bokeh, bokeh, bokeh...scores, scores, scores...

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

10/30/2006 06:29:08 PM · #301

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Hit the 250 vote barrier...

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Not too late for you to take a last second dive Davidson...

krafty1

Nikon D80

10/30/2006 06:57:20 PM · #302

258 and slowly losing ground.

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10/30/2006 07:13:16 PM · #303

Last 4 votes haven't shifted from 7..

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10/31/2006 10:54:30 AM · #304

Bokeh Scores - An Observation

Bokeh appears to be one of those challenges where the scores will be unusually low compared to the quality of the submissions as a direct result from the mistaken perception that many of the pictures are DNMC.

I base this hypothesis on these observations...

One, scores reported here have been unusually low compared to other challenges. That is even more meaningful given the large number of submissions. Marksimms is the only 7 reported so far and it is barely 7, but you can be sure there are others higher lurking out there somewhere. :)

Two, I voted 86% of the entries a higher score than my image is getting and I'll probably finish in the top 20. If I vote 86% of the images higher than my own it means the submissions must be good. I only give high scores for good reasons. The entries in this challenge are just plain good.

I think it is all tied up with this DNMC concept and the generally held belief that if you don't think an image meets the challenge that is must necessarily get a low score "no matter how good it is".

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

10/31/2006 10:58:30 AM · #305

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Bokeh Scores - An Observation

One, scores reported here have been unusually low compared to other challenges. That is even more meaningful given the large number of submissions. Marksimms is the only 7 reported so far and it is barely 7, but you can be sure there are others higher lurking out there somewhere. :) ...

I don't think what's being reported here is unusual for a scores thread, and those with higher scores frequently don't post them. Subjective comparison at best.

It's just a volatile technical subject as has been voiced all over the place this time and the last two times there were Bokeh challenges.

slide12345678

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

10/31/2006 10:59:18 AM · #306

i suppose i'll update this challenge one more time

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Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

10/31/2006 11:01:42 AM · #307

[rant] aargh, i hate those no-camera-vote-only-people that have just registered 5 days ago, commenting "nice" and leaving a 4. probably can't read. [/rant]

10/31/2006 11:08:54 AM · #308

Originally posted by eyewave:

[rant] aargh, i hate those no-camera-vote-only-people that have just registered 5 days ago, commenting "nice" and leaving a 4. probably can't read. [/rant]

I'd have to admit that I was much like them when I first started here.

It is not that they are wrong, they are only following the lead that we've already previously established. They see that high placing images rarely get over 7 so figure a "good" image should be a little over halfway between... hence the '4'.

k_m_ireland

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/31/2006 11:09:25 AM · #309

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Bokeh Scores - An Observation

I think it is all tied up with this DNMC concept and the generally held belief that if you don't think an image meets the challenge that is must necessarily get a low score "no matter how good it is".

True enough, it is one of the reasons why I don't really bother putting much up for challenges, certainly not anything I have invested any heart into.

Reading DNMC and getting a 1 or 2 just sucks after a while and no one ever comes back to apologise when they can read the info on how the image was taken showing it does meet the challenge criteria after all.

My own view is that I take the image as it stands and vote accordingly. I still think there should be a 'flag DNMC' box that people could tag the image rather than low-voting because of a misunderstanding.

10/31/2006 11:32:09 AM · #310

Originally posted by k_m_ireland:

Originally posted by stdavidson:
Bokeh Scores - An Observation

I think it is all tied up with this DNMC concept and the generally held belief that if you don't think an image meets the challenge that is must necessarily get a low score "no matter how good it is".

True enough, it is one of the reasons why I don't really bother putting much up for challenges, certainly not anything I have invested any heart into.

In a nutshell you sum up how I feel about DPC low scoring.

You don't submit at all because you don't want to get DNMC 1s and 2s. But by not submitting you deny yourself the benefit of input from others and also deny us the benefit of your photography. It is very sad.

And all that because DPCers give scores which, anywhere but here, are viewed as complete failure. No wonder newbies get disillusioned.

DianeS

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/31/2006 12:29:58 PM · #311

Originally posted by k_m_ireland:

[quote=stdavidson] Bokeh Scores - An Observation
I still think there should be a 'flag DNMC' box that people could tag the image rather than low-voting because of a misunderstanding.

I agree entirely. I don't like giving low scores to DNMCs, but I also don't like giving high scores to them either.

I think DPC should have more voting criteria. Instead of just voting a subjective and general 1-10, we should be voting 1-10 on subject & creativity, another 1-10 on techincal quality, and another 1-10 on whether it met the challenge.

At least then people know a little more about WHY they scored the way they did. More work for the voters, yes, but I think it'd be worth it.

10/31/2006 12:46:08 PM · #312

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Bokeh Scores - An Observation

B Marksimms is the only 7 reported so far and it is barely 7, but you can be sure there are others higher lurking out there somewhere. :)

Let me enjoy it a bit longer before shooting my dream of a top ten finish down ya meanie...

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D

10/31/2006 12:49:18 PM · #313

Originally posted by DianeS:

Originally posted by k_m_ireland:
[quote=stdavidson] Bokeh Scores - An Observation
I still think there should be a 'flag DNMC' box that people could tag the image rather than low-voting because of a misunderstanding.

I agree entirely. I don't like giving low scores to DNMCs, but I also don't like giving high scores to them either.

I think DPC should have more voting criteria...

Diane... I don't agree there should be a DNMC flag.

I've never once given an image a 10 that did not nail the challenge topic right on the mark in my personal opinion. I've found that the images that are good, photographically speaking, tend to meet the challenge topic very well. I, of course, could and have been wrong in the past.

Louis

Nikon D800

10/31/2006 12:50:15 PM · #314

Originally posted by marksimms:

Originally posted by stdavidson:
Bokeh Scores - An Observation

B Marksimms is the only 7 reported so far and it is barely 7, but you can be sure there are others higher lurking out there somewhere. :)

Let me enjoy it a bit longer before shooting my dream of a top ten finish down ya meanie...

Top ten? With your score, I'd say you're in ribbon territory.

NstiG8tr

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

10/31/2006 12:50:52 PM · #315

Don't ya just hate it when your on the border of a 7 or high 6. My Woody was like this. The last vote was gonna determine what I wound up with, a high 6 or an even 7.

timfythetoo

Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max

10/31/2006 01:00:07 PM · #316

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

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Can I catch you Doc?

Message edited by author 2006-10-31 13:00:58.

10/31/2006 01:02:38 PM · #317

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by marksimms:

Originally posted by stdavidson:
Bokeh Scores - An Observation

B Marksimms is the only 7 reported so far and it is barely 7, but you can be sure there are others higher lurking out there somewhere. :)

Let me enjoy it a bit longer before shooting my dream of a top ten finish down ya meanie...

Top ten? With your score, I'd say you're in ribbon territory.

You are right. Though Marksimms's score is on the low side for a top ribbon, it still could make it. If I don't miss my guess, though, there are other higher rated images that have not been reported here. Based strictly on score and not on the quality of the image, it will not finish as the blue.

Originally posted by timfythetoo:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

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Can I catch you Doc?

Oh, baby, you better believe if I beat the Doc I'm gonna let him know! Ain't competition fun?

Message edited by author 2006-10-31 13:06:37.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5- 5.6G ED DX

10/31/2006 01:29:09 PM · #318

Originally posted by stdavidson:

If I don't miss my guess, though, there are other higher rated images that have not been reported here. Based strictly on score and not on the quality of the image, it will not finish as the blue.

So you reckon you know which one is mine? Is that what you are saying? Go on them PM me and hazard a guess..

all in good fun of course!

Message edited by author 2006-10-31 14:17:38.

Siggav

Nikon D80

10/31/2006 01:42:47 PM · #319

They said: "Based strictly on score and not on the quality of the image"

I.e only judging from the score (which you've revealed) and not on the quality of the image (which is unknown since no one knows who took what photo).

It's all legal.

timfythetoo

Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max

10/31/2006 01:50:44 PM · #320

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Up a bit more and a fav!

10/31/2006 03:09:18 PM · #321

Originally posted by marksimms:

Originally posted by stdavidson:

If I don't miss my guess, though, there are other higher rated images that have not been reported here. Based strictly on score and not on the quality of the image, it will not finish as the blue.

So you reckon you know which one is mine? Is that what you are saying? Go on them PM me and hazard a guess..

Nope... not saying that at all. I don't know which one is yours. If I thought I knew I'd hazzard a guess to you. Just saying that based strickly on score, and score alone, that I suspect there are other higher rated images out there. The submitters just have not revealed their scores.

However, I would not doubt in any way shape or form that your image deserves to be the blue ribbon winner. :) :)

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

10/31/2006 03:16:56 PM · #322

Originally posted by timfythetoo:

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Up a bit more and a fav!

Curse you Timmy The Foo!

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timfythetoo

Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max

10/31/2006 03:20:06 PM · #323

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Curse you Timmy The Foo!

Thats TOO!!! Timfy The Too!!! But anyways - WHOOH HOOH!!! A victory in itself!